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[o Ventus]

 

 

I'm happy for you that you will never find out whether those very comfortable opinions of yours are right or not; but for the rest of us, we don't have the luxury of calling this outlook on life seeing people as individuals. Ironically, if everyone did that, there would be no issue to speak of.

 

... You're kidding, right? You don't have the luxury of seeing other people as individuals? Either I read that wrong, or I've officially seen the end of civilization and the beginnings of our dark descent into chaos and nothingness. 

[o Ventus]

Why is it that whenever somebody debates with me, they have this expectation that I need to prove something to them?

 

Okay, regardless of whether or not I misread Dieb's post earlier, I've still seen the downfall of humanity when someone debates another person and feels compelled to ask why their opponent wants proof of their claims. I mean this with all sincerity, I don't think I've ever seen another human being utter such an incomprehensibly stupid string of words, either via text or by speaking. Well done, well done indeed. If I knew how to work metal, I would make you a medal.

 

In the example I gave, for all I know the other worker who was given a higher wage with less hours could have been blowing the boss. Either way, it's unfair favouritism and no better than a potential "sexist" motive.

 

Except you can't possibly know that because you just admitted you don't know. S*** like this is why I asked for evidence. 

 

And note I did not scream "sexism" I said I was unsure of whether to determine it as such. You just made the assumption cause it appeals to your "anti-feminist" stance.

 

And it looks like my guess was right on the money, wasn't it? You think it a problem due to perceived sexism, because no other factors could exist, ever, ever.

 

And as I also stated, you can dismiss my claims all you like. In fact, I expected you would.

 

I asked you for empirical proof, or at least evidence to back up your claims so you don't sound like a raving conspiratorial lunatic. That is not dismissing anything. You're getting rather defensive with these accusations now.

 

All I'm saying is that I know what went down

 

But I thought you said you didn't know?

 

and "debunking", "surveys" and "research" with obvious biases doesn't throw my experience, nor others who have had similar experiences out the window.

 

You can't give me even a single possible circumstance that would validate your claim, you just say "ehh, sexism" and leave it at that, as if there can't be any other reasons.

 

We have different opinions -- you are of the belief that feminism is just a bullshit movement.

 

I would liken it more to a religious cult.

 

"Presuming to think for victims of domestic violence is a rather a**hole-ish thing to do, no?"

I do not "presume" to think for anybody. It was an example, which I also have personal experience in because I worked in a women's shelter for some time. But of course, you want evidence, right? Should I send you copies of my payslips from that period of my working life?

 

I do think it's rather funny that you scoff at the idea of evidence and proof. It's actually pretty telling.

 

I was just sharing an opinion, and obviously the subject of "feminism" riles you up.

 

Yeah, privileged upper-middle-class people (not just women, but people) experiencing their first-world problems and wanting entitlements because they feel "oppressed" does rile me up. It's making a mockery of people who are ACTUALLY oppressed and suffer from actual problems. It just so happens that just about all of the loud and annoying complaining I see is from modern feminists.

 

As somebody wise in this thread has already stated, this "group thought" needs to be cast off in order for the world to go somewhere "nice" in the future. It is becoming counter-productive and has been for some time.

 

I certainly hope you don't call yourself a feminist, because feminism and "casting off group thought" are diametrically opposed.

[Giantdeathrobot]

I certainly hope you don't call yourself a feminist, because feminism and "casting off group thought" are diametrically opposed.

 

 

So let me get this straight.

 

You oppose what you see as ''group thought'', prefering to rely on the individual you face rather than whatever they can readily be identified as. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

Yet here you stand, dismissing a very varied, widely upheld, very large political ideology/movement as a mere religious cult that offers nothing good whatsoever and only exists to spew BS to overprivileged upper-class people.

 

I'm having a lot of trouble not seeing these two views as contradictory. If you see someone who self identifies as a feminist, are you going to automatically assume they say stupid things and dismiss them out of hand?

[o Ventus]

So let me get this straight.

 

You oppose what you see as ''group thought'', prefering to rely on the individual you face rather than whatever they can readily be identified as. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

Yet here you stand, dismissing a very varied, widely upheld, very large political ideology/movement as a mere religious cult that offers nothing good whatsoever and only exists to spew BS to overprivileged upper-class people.

 

I'm having a lot of trouble not seeing these two views as contradictory. If you see someone who self identifies as a feminist, are you going to automatically assume they say stupid things and dismiss them out of hand?

 

The overprivileged upper-class people are the ones spewing the BS, which is then lapped up by their followers and treated like it's religious dogma, where anyone who steps out of line is either ignored or outright shunned and attacked. That's what I mean when I call it a cult. They rope people in when they enter college and brainwash them with waffling nonsense about how things like the office air conditioning are actively sexist and serve "the patriarchy", all while campaigning for other likewise superfluous nonsense like "rape culture" or the #KillAllMen hashtag.

 

If I'm speaking to someone and they, with all sincerity, call themselves a feminist, my opinion of them will likely drop and my first thought will likely be something along the lines of "aww s***, here we go, he/she is going to say something retarded". The severity of this depends on how familiar I am with the person in question.

 

Though I must say I fail to see how the size or mainstream appeal of feminism makes it any less of a cult. I can name several other groups or organizations that I would call a cult, who also have rather large followings.

 

Though I don't know how any of this ties into rejecting groupthink. One would assume that, given how mainstream feminism has become (between individuals who hold their own private thoughts and ideas, to celebrities speaking about it on the news, to it having its own classes in schools and universities), the groupthink within the movement would be stronger and therefore more obvious to notice.

[Nefla]

This thread needs to go out the airlock...

[Ryzaki]

This thread needs to go out the airlock...

 

Screw the airlock it needs to go into a black hole. I don't want to chance it being see by some poor astronaut.

[Giantdeathrobot]

The overprivileged upper-class people are the ones spewing the BS, which is then lapped up by their followers and treated like it's religious dogma, where anyone who steps out of line is either ignored or outright shunned and attacked. That's what I mean when I call it a cult. They rope people in when they enter college and brainwash them with waffling nonsense about how things like the office air conditioning are actively sexist and serve "the patriarchy", all while campaigning for other likewise superfluous nonsense like "rape culture" or the #KillAllMen hashtag.

 

If I'm speaking to someone and they, with all sincerity, call themselves a feminist, my opinion of them will likely drop and my first thought will likely be something along the lines of "aww s***, here we go, he/she is going to say something retarded". The severity of this depends on how familiar I am with the person in question.

 

Though I must say I fail to see how the size or mainstream appeal of feminism makes it any less of a cult. I can name several other groups or organizations that I would call a cult, who also have rather large followings.

 

Though I don't know how any of this ties into rejecting groupthink. One would assume that, given how mainstream feminism has become (between individuals who hold their own private thoughts and ideas, to celebrities speaking about it on the news, to it having its own classes in schools and universities), the groupthink within the movement would be stronger and therefore more obvious to notice.

 

I see. So you're heavily stereotyping a very large group, then you say you reject groupthink. What I see is a sort of reverse groupthink, where everyone in a group is autocatically guilty of various intellectual sins.

 

As I see it, the #killallmen harpies are a very small minority of feminists in the grand scheme of things. Sure, there are idiots like that. Just like there are religious fanatics, bible-thumpers, ultra-conservatives, women-hater, racists of various forms, gun nuts, violent anarchists, violent communists, single-minded atheists, and all sorts of other entiled, close-minded, stupid people in any srot of socio-political movement you can think of and beyond. That's not part of feminism in particular, it's part of some humans just not being very good humans no matter what they are and what they think.

 

The vast majority of feminists I've met were reasonable, albeit often opinionated people. I've not always agreed with them, but they were not all shrill harpies, no more than the majority of conservatives were backwards, racist hicks or the majority of liberals were hypocritical jerkbags or whatnot. Treating such a varied political movement as a cult is just dismissive and doesn't seem like intellectual honesty to me.

[Donk]

 

 

 

 

Okay, regardless of whether or not I misread Dieb's post earlier, I've still seen the downfall of humanity when someone debates another person and feels compelled to ask why their opponent wants proof of their claims. I mean this with all sincerity, I don't think I've ever seen another human being utter such an incomprehensibly stupid string of words, either via text or by speaking. Well done, well done indeed. If I knew how to work metal, I would make you a medal.

 

 

 

 

Except you can't possibly know that because you just admitted you don't know. S*** like this is why I asked for evidence. 

 

 

 

 

And it looks like my guess was right on the money, wasn't it? You think it a problem due to perceived sexism, because no other factors could exist, ever, ever.

 

 

 

 

I asked you for empirical proof, or at least evidence to back up your claims so you don't sound like a raving conspiratorial lunatic. That is not dismissing anything. You're getting rather defensive with these accusations now.

 

 

 

 

But I thought you said you didn't know?

 

 

 

 

You can't give me even a single possible circumstance that would validate your claim, you just say "ehh, sexism" and leave it at that, as if there can't be any other reasons.

 

 

 

 

I would liken it more to a religious cult.

 

 

 

 

I do think it's rather funny that you scoff at the idea of evidence and proof. It's actually pretty telling.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, privileged upper-middle-class people (not just women, but people) experiencing their first-world problems and wanting entitlements because they feel "oppressed" does rile me up. It's making a mockery of people who are ACTUALLY oppressed and suffer from actual problems. It just so happens that just about all of the loud and annoying complaining I see is from modern feminists.

 

 

 

 

I certainly hope you don't call yourself a feminist, because feminism and "casting off group thought" are diametrically opposed.

 

 And you missed my point completely. I have made it clear that I am not required to "provide empirical" evidence. I'm not credible, nor am I "qualified" as is expected from people such as yourself. To you and probably a lot of others, this makes me look like an idiot. But I don't care.. I know what I've experienced in my life, and you don't have a say in the matter. The most you can do is pull a Youtube video out of your arse that somebody supposedly "credible" or "qualified" has created, which just so happens to appeal to your beliefs. Now, a quick search would provide me with "statistics", "surveys", "research" and whatever else to provide me with an argument that supports what I believe. However.. it isn't terribly important. I come to this forum to discuss Dragon Age and make fun when necessary.

 

But if you want... I can do that, you know. I can join the debate train! *Reaches into backside* Oooh... I've got something... what have we here? Here ya go!!

 

 

Sh*t. My bad. Wrong one. THIS is what I was after.

 

 

.. What were we talking about? I've forgotten.

 

I'll be in my bunk.

 

And for your information, no. I don't consider myself a feminist. Here's the truth: I support anything that helps my "self-interest". I like to consider myself.. a Donkist. So if I can't land a job cause some old git thinks women are useless, I tend to get annoyed. However, I wouldn't go to the lengths of marching down the street and waving signs around like an idiot. I just find another job, and tell the git to go f*ck himself and shove his crappy job at his butt. His loss. If he would rather hire irresponsible people who just happen to sport a danglybag between his legs, then so be it.

[BSpud]

Haha, someone non-ironically posted a Sargon video. What, no Thunderf00t? LOL.

[Donk]

Haha, someone non-ironically posted a Sargon video. What, no Thunderf00t? LOL.

 

I had to google that. I'm glad I did.. this is hilarious.

 

[TevinterSupremacist]

Oh, darn, I should have known my cringe fetish would be fed in this thread.

Should have checked it sooner.

[BioWareMod05]

This thread has veered off topic. Please keep conversations on topic to the thread's original post. Thank you.

[maia0407]

Mom sent you all to your rooms!

 

And, uh, on topic, I'm also a woman that likes to play DAI as a woman.

[Homer2101]

If I'm going to spend 100+ hours staring at a particular character's posterior, I'd prefer that it be a posterior I find pretty.

 

Also strong male leads make me feel insecure.

[Mlady]

LOL! Well like others have said in our day it was always the male we had to play. It's nice to play ourselves but I know many guys who like playing female ones too. Could be the acting (voice), the look, how they handle in battle or the romances. It's just kind of cool that females are getting noticed but male heroes in Dragon Age seem to have all the more fun with NPC's though. 

[Arshei]

I play female inquisitor just because the voice acting and Cullen

If the male british voice was better and Cullen was bisexual i prefer a male inquisitor, looks better in the formal outfits.

[ravenesse]

 And you missed my point completely. I have made it clear that I am not required to "provide empirical" evidence. I'm not credible, nor am I "qualified" as is expected from people such as yourself. To you and probably a lot of others, this makes me look like an idiot. But I don't care.. I know what I've experienced in my life, and you don't have a say in the matter. The most you can do is pull a Youtube video out of your arse that somebody supposedly "credible" or "qualified" has created, which just so happens to appeal to your beliefs. Now, a quick search would provide me with "statistics", "surveys", "research" and whatever else to provide me with an argument that supports what I believe. However.. it isn't terribly important. I come to this forum to discuss Dragon Age and make fun when necessary.

 

But if you want... I can do that, you know. I can join the debate train! *Reaches into backside* Oooh... I've got something... what have we here? Here ya go!!

 

-snip-

 

Sh*t. My bad. Wrong one. THIS is what I was after.

-even fn more snip-

 

.. What were we talking about? I've forgotten.

 

I'll be in my bunk.

 

And for your information, no. I don't consider myself a feminist. Here's the truth: I support anything that helps my "self-interest". I like to consider myself.. a Donkist. So if I can't land a job cause some old git thinks women are useless, I tend to get annoyed. However, I wouldn't go to the lengths of marching down the street and waving signs around like an idiot. I just find another job, and tell the git to go f*ck himself and shove his crappy job at his butt. His loss. If he would rather hire irresponsible people who just happen to sport a danglybag between his legs, then so be it.

Ugh... I love you, but I just don't share you with Anita. So, stop posting her, she's fn annoying!

[Ieldra]

LOL! Well like others have said in our day it was always the male we had to play. It's nice to play ourselves but I know many guys who like playing female ones too. Could be the acting (voice), the look, how they handle in battle or the romances. It's just kind of cool that females are getting noticed but male heroes in Dragon Age seem to have all the more fun with NPC's though. 

They do? I haven't noticed. The last time I've romanced someone with a male protagonist in a DA game and liked it unreservedly was in DAO when I went with Morrigan.

 

Sadly, we won't see her like in a Bioware game ever again.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

They do? I haven't noticed. The last time I've romanced someone with a male protagonist in a DA game and liked it unreservedly was in DAO when I went with Morrigan.

 

Sadly, we won't see her like in a Bioware game ever again.

Why do you say this, Lord of Monotremes?

[Donk]

Ugh... I love you, but I just don't share you with Anita. So, stop posting her, she's fn annoying!

Sorry babe. I'll make it up to you!

[Nefla]

Man, last night I was playing SWtOR and I was on one of the low lv planets and usually the people in SWtOR are normal about gender, especially since a lot of women play it but this one guy...I was talking to a random person in general chat and they kept referring to me as a guy and while most of the time I don't correct one way or the other, this time I said "I'm not a guy lol" and this one random guy just inserts himself into the conversation and starts flipping out on me saying my gender "doesn't matter!" He insisted that I was lying about being a woman, and went on to say that only 20 something white males play games, etc...I said if it doesn't matter then why are you making an issue out of it but logic doesn't work on these people. Ugh.

[Mlady]

They do? I haven't noticed. The last time I've romanced someone with a male protagonist in a DA game and liked it unreservedly was in DAO when I went with Morrigan.

 

Sadly, we won't see her like in a Bioware game ever again.

 

Yeah it seems a lot of female Inquisitors are played by males and females who want to romance Dorian play as males. Any kind of poll will always be inaccurate unless your own sex is added from your profile and even then the Internet is a place of lies.

 

 

Man, last night I was playing SWtOR and I was on one of the low lv planets and usually the people in SWtOR are normal about gender, especially since a lot of women play it but this one guy...I was talking to a random person in general chat and they kept referring to me as a guy and while most of the time I don't correct one way or the other, this time I said "I'm not a guy lol" and this one random guy just inserts himself into the conversation and starts flipping out on me saying my gender "doesn't matter!" He insisted that I was lying about being a woman, and went on to say that only 20 something white males play games, etc...I said if it doesn't matter than why are you making an issue out of it but logic doesn't work on these people. Ugh.

 

Ugh... happens to me too so many times! And if they believe me, then I get hit on. Hello! You are most likely a kid and I am old enough to be your mother! Geez...

[ApostleinTriumph]

Yep, me too. For me the reason is the huge lack of romance options for heterosexual males compared to females.

[Majestic Jazz]

I like to play as females so I can do the Lesbian romance.

Female Shepard and Liara
Female Warden and Leliana
Female Hawke and Isabella/Merril
Female IQ and Sera

[o Ventus]

If I'm going to spend 100+ hours staring at a particular character's posterior, I'd prefer that it be a posterior I find pretty.

 

Also strong male leads make me feel insecure.

 

I think the staring at people's backsides is what's making you insecure.