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[rpgfan321]

Yay! For more female PCs!

[WildOrchid]

Oh, really? I've avoided the Witcher series as I have no desire to play a man that collects 'cards' for all the women he sleeps with. Ew. I didn't know there were also rape scenes. Keep that game away from me. And, this is reason 101 why I appreciate Bioware and their efforts.

 

There's no rape scene, it only gets mentioned. But Geralt truly shows the rapist what happens when you rape (and i loved that scene). I've played the game, it's not that bad as people make it out to be.

[BansheeOwnage]

There's no rape scene, it only gets mentioned. But Geralt truly shows the rapist what happens when you rape (and i loved that scene). I've played the game, it's not that bad as people make it out to be.

Eh, still plenty of reasons for me not to like the Witcher.

[WildOrchid]

Eh, still plenty of reasons for me not to like the Witcher.

 

Fair enough, I understand.

[correctamundo]

There's no rape scene, it only gets mentioned. But Geralt truly shows the rapist what happens when you rape (and i loved that scene). I've played the game, it's not that bad as people make it out to be.

 

I remember killing two would-be rapists. That was good. But then Geralt gave the girl a shouting sort of for starting the situation. Like it was her fault and like it was a bad thing taking out the scumbags. I mean Geralt slaughters people left and right for less reason than that and these two should be spared? Well, one of my gripes with a very good game. End rant.

[ModernAcademic]

I wonder...if it were a woman playing and there were many male inquisitors, would she start a thread titled So Many Men Playing?

 

Also, refrain from calling women females. I've seen this more than often in the BSN and it's really disturbing. 

 

We're not females. Makes it sound as though we're animals. We're HUMANS. Thank you.

[BansheeOwnage]

I wonder...if it were a woman playing and there were many male inquisitors, would she start a thread titled So Many Men Playing?

 

Also, refrain from calling women females. I've seen this more than often in the BSN and it's really disturbing. 

 

We're not females. Makes it sound as though we're animals. We're HUMANS. Thank you.

I'll be the first to say that "woman" and "female" aren't exact synonyms, and personally I prefer to use "woman" too, but I don't think it's the end of the world. Or rather, I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to dehumanize anyone

[Remki]

I'll be the first to say that "woman" and "female" aren't exact synonyms, and personally I prefer to use "woman" too, but I don't think it's the end of the world. Or rather, I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to dehumanize anyone

 

This is an issue for me too, grammatically speaking. I write for a blog about women who game and we're discouraged from using the term "female", for reasons I understand and typically agree with, but sometimes it fits better than saying "woman ____" or "women ____". Female and male work as adjectives pretty well without much sense of dehumanizing, usually because the noun they modify is typically only a human one (ex.: female players, male players, female developers, male developers, etc). If you say something like "male dogs", by default we already know you're not talking about humans, but if you say "female gamer" there's really only a very limited chance you're not talking about a person. Still, deciding which to use just depends on sentence structure, meaning, and overall syntax, and sometimes "women gamers" will sound better than "female gamers" and vice versa.

 

However using female or male as a noun rather than an adjective IS dehumanizing. It literally reduces people to their possible reproductive roles, and typically it's pulled out when people are being disrespectful or objectifying. There can be cultural/linguistic variations that share different connotations, it should be noted. But in general referring to people as females or males is just... really gross to me. There tends to be a sense of stripping people of their possible individuality and lumping them into this giant amalgamation of what the person means when they say "females" or "males". And usually it's something grossly stereotypical and degrading. But admittedly not always. That's why close reading is necessary-- knowing what people are trying to say first is important.

[BansheeOwnage]

This is an issue for me too, grammatically speaking. I write for a blog about women who game and we're discouraged from using the term "female", for reasons I understand and typically agree with, but sometimes it fits better than saying "woman ____" or "women ____". Female and male work as adjectives pretty well without much sense of dehumanizing, usually because the noun they modify is typically only a human one (ex.: female players, male players, female developers, male developers, etc). If you say something like "male dogs", by default we already know you're not talking about humans, but if you say "female gamer" there's really only a very limited chance you're not talking about a person. Still, deciding which to use just depends on sentence structure, meaning, and overall syntax, and sometimes "women gamers" will sound better than "female gamers" and vice versa.

 

However using female or male as a noun rather than an adjective IS dehumanizing. It literally reduces people to their possible reproductive roles, and typically it's pulled out when people are being disrespectful or objectifying. There can be cultural/linguistic variations that share different connotations, it should be noted. But in general referring to people as females or males is just... really gross to me. There tends to be a sense of stripping people of their possible individuality and lumping them into this giant amalgamation of what the person means when they say "females" or "males". And usually it's something grossly stereotypical and degrading. But admittedly not always. That's why close reading is necessary-- knowing what people are trying to say first is important.

Huh. You pretty much explained my thoughts. Thanks! Context and sentence-structure etc. is important, and should be taken into account while reading. It can be dehumanizing, but isn't always. Pretty much that.

[Donk]

... Really?

Oh wait. It's the BSN.

[The Night Haunter]

I wonder...if it were a woman playing and there were many male inquisitors, would she start a thread titled So Many Men Playing?

 

Also, refrain from calling women females. I've seen this more than often in the BSN and it's really disturbing. 

 

We're not females. Makes it sound as though we're animals. We're HUMANS. Thank you.

That is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. When I want to distinguish between females and males I use 'female' and 'male'. I rarely use 'women' and 'men'.

 

I am not 'dehumanizing' anything, anymore than saying 'Male Gamers' is somehow dehumanizing males. It is a perfectly correct term that refers to the males of the human species. If you want to read this entire paragraph as dehumanizing males because I have never used the word 'men' (excepting this instance) and instead called them males, then you are more paranoid than Stalin. 

 

Please realize that different people mean different things when they use a word. Just like the infamous 'N' word has different meanings depending on the ethnicity of the speaker. Generalizing and saying that calling people males is dehumanizing to them is plain old ridiculous. 

[The Night Haunter]

However using female or male as a noun rather than an adjective IS dehumanizing. It literally reduces people to their possible reproductive roles, and typically it's pulled out when people are being disrespectful or objectifying. There can be cultural/linguistic variations that share different connotations, it should be noted. But in general referring to people as females or males is just... really gross to me. There tends to be a sense of stripping people of their possible individuality and lumping them into this giant amalgamation of what the person means when they say "females" or "males". And usually it's something grossly stereotypical and degrading. But admittedly not always. That's why close reading is necessary-- knowing what people are trying to say first is important.

And by saying 'Men Gamers' we somehow are not lumping people all into one large amalgamation, whereas 'Male Gamers' is? In my mind they are literally synonymous. If you choose to interpret the word choice to mean something then that is on you. When I say male it means the exact same thing as man, I can think of absolutely zero scenarios in which I could use male and not man, or vice a versa.

[Remki]

And by saying 'Men Gamers' we somehow are not lumping people all into one large amalgamation, whereas 'Male Gamers' is? In my mind they are literally synonymous. If you choose to interpret the word choice to mean something then that is on you. When I say male it means the exact same thing as man, I can think of absolutely zero scenarios in which I could use male and not man, or vice a versa.

 

I'm not sure you read the first part of my post. Using men/male or women/female as adjectives is typically less (or not at all) degrading or dehumanizing, different than simply saying "males" or "females". For example, if I'm talking about gaming statistics, saying "male gamers make up such and such percentage" isn't the same as a sentence that says "males are jerks". One is a means of describing a general group of gamers, while the other is lumping people into a group based on their possible reproductive role with no indication on whether I mean male humans, male dogs, male koalas, etc. Generalizations can be used for good or ill, depending on what we're talking about. That's why my last sentence in the paragraph you quoted was about close reading and trying to understand what people are saying first. And yeah, using "males" and "females" instead of "men" and "women" (or any variation thereof) does gross me out, but I'm not going to get on someones case about it unless they're being disrespectful in other ways too. Context clues are great for that sort of thing.

[WildOrchid]

I remember killing two would-be rapists. That was good. But then Geralt gave the girl a shouting sort of for starting the situation. Like it was her fault and like it was a bad thing taking out the scumbags. I mean Geralt slaughters people left and right for less reason than that and these two should be spared? Well, one of my gripes with a very good game. End rant.

 

I think I remember that scene, was that girl the one who trained with Geralt? Didn't you have to choose what to say to her anyway?

[Panda]

I wonder...if it were a woman playing and there were many male inquisitors, would she start a thread titled So Many Men Playing?

 

Also, refrain from calling women females. I've seen this more than often in the BSN and it's really disturbing. 

 

We're not females. Makes it sound as though we're animals. We're HUMANS. Thank you.

 

People call women females and men males quite lot there, I included. It's not dehumanizing or anything else, it's just well words that fit? I personally find both words just gendered nouns and adjectives that are okay to use in english, I wouldn't really use them in my own language since I haven't seen them used like that, but it's something in english that I'm simply used of doing and it feels normal at least to me. There doesn't need to be any intentions behind word choice like that.

[correctamundo]

I think I remember that scene, was that girl the one who trained with Geralt? Didn't you have to choose what to say to her anyway?

 

Yep, but the alternative paraphrases I got were all strange and I chose the one seemed most adequate and out of the blue (for me) comes a sob story for the SOBs.

[TommyBoyJoy]

For me personally i felt that the female quizzy fit better in the story. PLUS alix's voice  

[Nefla]

I'm not sure you read the first part of my post. Using men/male or women/female as adjectives is typically less (or not at all) degrading or dehumanizing, different than simply saying "males" or "females". For example, if I'm talking about gaming statistics, saying "male gamers make up such and such percentage" isn't the same as a sentence that says "males are jerks". One is a means of describing a general group of gamers, while the other is lumping people into a group based on their possible reproductive role with no indication on whether I mean male humans, male dogs, male koalas, etc. Generalizations can be used for good or ill, depending on what we're talking about. That's why my last sentence in the paragraph you quoted was about close reading and trying to understand what people are saying first. And yeah, using "males" and "females" instead of "men" and "women" (or any variation thereof) does gross me out, but I'm not going to get on someones case about it unless they're being disrespectful in other ways too. Context clues are great for that sort of thing.

Agreed. I don't see it as a huge issue, but it does come across a little creepy and quite a bit socially out of touch to call someone a male or female rather than using it as an adjective.

 

"There are a lot of female fans of Dragon Age" is a perfectly normal thing to say while "females get all the LI's" is strange and awkward.

[Ryzaki]

I use females all the time? *shrug*

 

Though if I'm describing lis I'll usually say female players.

[Cobra's_back]

There's no rape scene, it only gets mentioned. But Geralt truly shows the rapist what happens when you rape (and i loved that scene). I've played the game, it's not that bad as people make it out to be.

Thanks, I too would love to kill them.

[Cobra's_back]

I remember killing two would-be rapists. That was good. But then Geralt gave the girl a shouting sort of for starting the situation. Like it was her fault and like it was a bad thing taking out the scumbags. I mean Geralt slaughters people left and right for less reason than that and these two should be spared? Well, one of my gripes with a very good game. End rant.

Interested. Why did he shout at her and did he have choices? The game is sounding better now that we kill scumbags. I'll buy if not disgusted. 

[Cobra's_back]

People call women females and men males quite lot there, I included. It's not dehumanizing or anything else, it's just well words that fit? I personally find both words just gendered nouns and adjectives that are okay to use in english, I wouldn't really use them in my own language since I haven't seen them used like that, but it's something in english that I'm simply used of doing and it feels normal at least to me. There doesn't need to be any intentions behind word choice like that.

Female and male more scientific includes all age groups. Woman is more related to gender and age. 

[Guitar-Hero]

I wonder...if it were a woman playing and there were many male inquisitors, would she start a thread titled So Many Men Playing?

 

Also, refrain from calling women females. I've seen this more than often in the BSN and it's really disturbing. 

 

We're not females. Makes it sound as though we're animals. We're HUMANS. Thank you.

Human females 

[SpiritMuse]

Yeah, I tried looking for it but as you can imagine finding something with "gender, equal" as reference is like looking out for a particular leaf in a forest.

  

It's a pity they don't implement something similar to Amazon's filters, where you enter your keywords and then continue to refine your search criteria by adding keywords. But they haven't. I guess they figure we have nothing but time on our hands. (snorts)

I was actually looking into this recently and came across this:
http://seejane.org/s...ithout-borders/

Which is really about the number of women in film, not exactly what you (or I) were looking for, but it's the closest I could get and I found it an interesting read anyway. In several interviews about this, Geena Davis has mentioned a study where people regarded a group made up of 17% women as being an equal male/female ratio. I haven't been able to find anything more about it though, unfortunately.

[o Ventus]

 

1. BW has the largest female customer base of any company

 

 

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