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[Snakebite]

What i was trying to say is that it is the case with the factions, people just restart until they get one they want to play.
The selection prevented this from happening with dragons.

Bonus for choosing random is the way to go, they might also need to fix the RNG they use for it since the amount of times i end up fighting red templars is 50%+x. Had a similar issue with Collectors in MEMP.

 

OK, that makes more sense.  I don't really see too much of people leaving just because of a specific faction being pulled.  I usually host, and I never leave because of any specific faction, nor does anyone I play with.  Occasionally a pug will leave early, but that is usually after they have been playing long enough to die a few times in the first zone, and not the instant they see what faction it is.

 

Sometimes I have days where I play many more games against one faction than the others.  I remember one day I got Venatori for every game but one.  It was something like 15 games against Venatori and 1 game against Red Templars.  I hate Venatori.  Worst gaming session ever.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

I really don't understand why they didn't use some of the good feature ME3MP already had in place. Also, I thought we didn't have polls anymore

 

 

They even had some of the developers from ME3MP on the team... But unfortunately, they did keep some stuff in place from ME3MP, like the RNG microtransations.

 

Aside, I'm not sure about the polls. I remember them on the old BSN, but didn't know they didn't have them here lol.

[AgitatedChicken]

Absolutely not. We need exp scaling, not the ability to auto counter whatever faction we choose. I'd rather not fight nothing but demons ever again, I'd just like it to reward me more when I spend 15 more minutes clearing quinari.

[Yung Blood]

The constant Quinari and Darkspawn are getting old now, please, God.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

Absolutely not. We need exp scaling, not the ability to auto counter whatever faction we choose. I'd rather not fight nothing but demons ever again, I'd just like it to reward me more when I spend 15 more minutes clearing quinari.

 

 

Or the factions could be balanced, and then you get rewarded more when, you know, you go to a harder difficulty as opposed to being forced into a harder difficulty that you cannot change, as it is now with unbalanced factions that you are thrown into randomly. The reason there is no XP "scaling" on different factions is because there was never intended to be one faction overtly stronger than the others. The difficulty level was designed as the determining factor in enemy strength, which is why there is XP scaling on difficulty. This isn't rocket science.

Honestly, though, I just want faction selection for the principle of choice. Maybe I want to take my Templar against demons or my Katari/Saarebas against Qunari for a thematic experience. I know a ton of us enjoyed that in a certain other wildly popular BioWare 4-person co-op multiplayer.

[GreySpectre]

It doesn't have to do with what faction is easiest or hardest. I just saw a guy drop out of a Qunari NM within the first minute because he made the grave ''mistake'' of picking Sidony. When a faction makes a couple of kits completely useless, it becomes apparent that a faction selection is gravely needed. At the end of the day, ME3 had faction selection and 90% of the public games I played were set to random.

[MaceWindusLightsaber]

90% of games i join are either on FC or orlesian chateau, and when it is on FC 90% of the time it's the frost dragon. I don't really want to play demons 90% of the time.

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

90% of games i join are either on FC or orlesian chateau, and when it is on FC 90% of the time it's the frost dragon. I don't really want to play demons 90% of the time.

 
You know, hearing this rather fallacious argument over and over again is becoming tiresome.

 

Your fear of not playing the factions you want in PuG matches justifying the entire playerbase not being allowed choice is rather draconian, to be honest. Especially since you have the complete capabilities to host your own matchs with what faction you would choose, or play private matches with those whom play with factions you are wont to experience. That's assuming your specious claim that almost the entire playerbase will only ever play one single faction actually happens.

 

Again, this is not rocket science. Allowing players to choose a faction and map, or set either to "random", extends the playability. I've yet to hear an argument that counters this. Instead, I just keep hearing, "but all people will ever play is Demons!"

[sonofbarak]

 
You know, hearing this rather fallacious argument over and over again is becoming tiresome.

 

Your fear of not playing the factions you want in PuG matches justifying the entire playerbase not being allowed choice is rather draconian, to be honest. Especially since you have the complete capabilities to host your own matchs with what faction you would choose, or play private matches with those whom play with factions you are wont to experience. That's assuming your specious claim that almost the entire playerbase will only ever play one single faction actually happens.

 

Again, this is not rocket science. Allowing players to choose a faction and map, or set either to "random", extends the playability. I've yet to hear an argument that counters this. Instead, I just keep hearing, "but all people will ever play is Demons!"

 

But all people will ever play is demons
 

[Caldyrvan]

I won´t play demons all the time. I sometimes quit games with demons hate the damn wraith movement.

And I am pretty tired of games with frost dragons as well so I avoid them, and latley I often joined pugs FC set on random ... twice frost, one game inferno, 4 lightning ... don´t remember the factions ... once qunari.

 

But I admit those players always playing FC frost and try to get demons are very sad people.

 

The freedom to choose what I want to play is still important.

[MaceWindusLightsaber]

 
You know, hearing this rather fallacious argument over and over again is becoming tiresome.

 

 

But not more fallacious than your hipster builds

 

 

 That's assuming your specious claim that almost the entire playerbase will only ever play one single faction actually happens.

It is not a "spacious" claim. Everyone in this thread would agree that joining PUG matches would result in you most likely fighting against demons. Why you can't foresee this is beyond me.

 

 

 I just keep hearing, "but all people will ever play is Demons!"

 

Guess what if you keep hearing it, it's more than likely the popular belief and a valid argument.

 

 

Finally, I didn't vote because this feature will never be implemented in the game. So, the poll is really a moot point.

[Zantazar]

faction selection would allow the team to review what people play against and adjust them accordingly, they did it in me3mp (although to be honest the map changes in fbw were just nasty, there wasn't anywhere else to farm gold fast n easy unless you had the end gear in which case you didn't need to farm it ..... all it did was make loads of people start using cheats or quit since they couldn't be bothered to try any more/

 

I see a lot of people claiming demons are the easy faction but there just nasty with several cheap units that can kill you without any warning and without even being in line of sight, compare them to venatori or red Templars and either of the other two factions are actually easier, venatori became slightly harder due to the commanders buff but still soloable in under 15 minutes (perilous) if I pick a particular kit to play I want to actually be able to play it and hold my own on any given difficulty level but that means equipping certain gear and praying for a faction that isn't immune to it, if I use aw with pride staff and storm belt I don't want  a faction that's got a whole section that's immune to lightening, if I pick assassin with a cold and a fire rune on its twin thorns I don't want qunari as I only do half the damage and consequently die a lot (ok a lot more than normal)  so currently my only option is to roll a lower difficulty and then regardless of my setup I can run about one shotting stuff, of course then the team I end up with wonders WTF and either kicks me on round 5 or quits the second they hit the lobby ..... either way its ruining someones day and annoying to me

 

faction selection will inevitably lend itself to people picking one faction over the others but a good responsive team will see that and say "hay people are just getting it out their system, if it keeps up for another couple of weeks well then we shall just have to tweak things a bit"

 

if 99% of games are picked as demons then upgrade the butt commander back to the ohk crap it pulled last year, if nobody picks darkspawn try dialing down the knockbacks, if nobody picks quanri try disabling the defenders special killed you all move, its not hard the dev team did it before and it worked great its not like there about to start work on some new dlc /

 

Completely agree. If they simply balanced the dificulties over time by analysing the statistics of which faction/dragon players are choosing, then I think that things would be cool. It would be nice to choose weapons/potions etc. in advance knowing which faction you are about to fight.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[CremeDelight]

There is huge disincentive to fight the Storm Dragon nowadays with how the Qunari tends to be immune to Cold and Fire (plus Spirit for Saarebas), which encourage players to focus on lightning attacks.... except Storm Dragons are immune to Lightning.

[Zantazar]

There is huge disincentive to fight the Storm Dragon nowadays with how the Qunari tends to be immune to Cold and Fire (plus Spirit for Saarebas), which encourage players to focus on lightning attacks.... except Storm Dragons are immune to Lightning.

 

I use lightning runes on all characters, except the mage of course. If I join a random pug and we end up in FC Storm dragon .... I am off.

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[DaryAlexV]

This!

[nanotm]

ands that it really we either have to drop a difficulty level and seriously grind to get the promotions /gold to get the gear to maybe survive on the higher difficulty or we have to quit a lot of games because the build is no good for the faction we drew, several times I have built a kit that works really well against some factions but is utterly bonk against the rest and try as I might I cant build one that is decent against everything.

 

I found the aw with storm pact belt +pride staff +cl ring + superberb cooldown ammy + hok ring from level 3 upwards can solo any of the original factions on perilous (cl upgrade + barrier) but the 3 new factions have to much hp /dps so even at higher level its tricky.

 

of ocurse you cant fight a storm dragon with him because immunity and if you draw quanri then forget it you might live the first couple of mooks but the shield guys will kill you on the bridge ......

 

he's also useless on nightmare against the venatori but fab against rt  no so much against demons cos wall hackers and horrors doing knockdowns .....

 

and its a similar story with all the kits, you can build them to be absolutely awesome against one or maybe two factions but others they are dire against/

 

and that's why I want faction selector, being able to custom build my kit to defeat it from the start and getting the right potions for what i'm about to face, since bees no longer do damage (unlike the ones druffy chucks they do way to much damage.....)

[Angelus_de_Mortiel]

But not more fallacious than your hipster builds

 

It is not a "spacious" claim. Everyone in this thread would agree that joining PUG matches would result in you most likely fighting against demons. Why you can't foresee this is beyond me.

 

 

Guess what if you keep hearing it, it's more than likely the popular belief and a valid argument.

 

 

Finally, I didn't vote because this feature will never be implemented in the game. So, the poll is really a moot point.

 

 

Always a promising sign when a person resorts to ad hominem as literally the first sentence of their rebuttal. A sentence, I might add, that is entirely based on conjecture and apparently a keen misunderstanding of the terms "fallacious" and "hipster". My videos are also completely irrelevant to this topic. You managed to fail three times in the first eight words. Maybe you should stick to the topic at hand instead of ill-conceived ad hominem, yeah?

 

Now, to your next point, how can I not forsee the imminent demise you are so loudly proclaim will inevitably result from giving players more choice? Honestly, it's because you and I apparently live in entirely different dimensions. While you see nothing but PuG matches with Frost dragons, I always get Inferno dragons. You see Chateau, I see Elven Ruins.

 

But that is not even the point here. The point is you actually believe that statistics you made up on the spot and claims of clairvoyance apparently constitute a valid argument. Sorry, a statement being repeated ad nauseum and seen as "popular" does not make it "valid". It makes it rhetoric and propaganda. I neither have experienced the same PuG matches you have, nor can I foresee the future. As such, I see absolutely no reason why players should be forced to not have a choice.

 

The point is most certainly not moot. It is entirely possible, albeit a bit improbable, that such a feature could be added still.

 

And I still have yet to hear an argument countering mine. *drops mic*

[Nythrius]

Always a promising sign when a person resorts to ad hominem as literally the first sentence of their rebuttal. A sentence, I might add, that is entirely based on conjecture and apparently a keen misunderstanding of the terms "fallacious" and "hipster". My videos are also completely irrelevant to this topic. You managed to fail three times in the first eight words. Maybe you should stick to the topic at hand instead of ill-conceived ad hominem, yeah?

 

Now, to your next point, how can I not forsee the imminent demise you are so loudly proclaim will inevitably result from giving players more choice? Honestly, it's because you and I apparently live in entirely different dimensions. While you see nothing but PuG matches with Frost dragons, I always get Inferno dragons. You see Chateau, I see Elven Ruins.

 

But that is not even the point here. The point is you actually believe that statistics you made up on the spot and claims of clairvoyance apparently constitute a valid argument. Sorry, a statement being repeated ad nauseum and seen as "popular" does not make it "valid". It makes it rhetoric and propaganda. I neither have experienced the same PuG matches you have, nor can I foresee the future. As such, I see absolutely no reason why players should be forced to not have a choice.

 

The point is most certainly not moot. It is entirely possible, albeit a bit improbable, that such a feature could be added still. And I still have yet to hear an argument countering mine.

[Hairybetty]

allow crafting an item for leader to force a certain faction, otherwise it's random.  

[Yung Blood]

allow crafting an item for leader to force a certain faction, otherwise it's random.  

why do we have to go to that effort

[Jack Black]

Don't forget that curse of shokasit on saarebas can kill a dragon in like 20 seconds(with electric staff and passive 100% damage bonus) so now people won't choose storm dragon

[MaceWindusLightsaber]

While you see nothing but PuG matches with Frost dragons, I always get Inferno dragons. 

 

[bug_age_inquisition]

promotion exploits are irrelevant at this point, so fighting demons on heartbreaker with two level ones, a saarebas and a silent sister shouldn't be too harmful to the community

 

i've always thought half of the resistance tonics and such things were useless ONLY because the game lacks this mechanic. this would be so helpful to be able to bring only the useful resistances and the rest health tonics instead of resorting to leaving and rejoining in the middle of heartbreaker matches

 

also i much prefer darkspawn and qunari to the old factions

[MaceWindusLightsaber]

promotion exploits are irrelevant at this point, so fighting demons on heartbreaker with two level ones, a saarebas and a silent sister shouldn't be too harmful to the community

Are you promoting exploits? So, you want to fight demons on HB 'cause they're the easiest faction? And you're on the leaderboards?

 

[N172]

Are you promoting exploits? So, you want to fight demons on HB 'cause they're the easiest faction? And you're on the leaderboards?

The "leaderboards" only show the time invested in DAMP multiplied with the overall effectiveness of the groups you joined, it has only a value if you consider grinding to be a skill worth admiration.