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[wright1978]

I’ll start out by stating that I did enjoy the Trespasser story.

 

However when things got down to the end choices I was left struggling to pick choices that my inquisitors would make. In the time since I’ve been really thinking hard over what bugs me & it’s is that the inquisitor felt suddenly diminished. I’m not talking about the obvious physical diminishment that happens which is interesting but the characterisation diminishment.

Suddenly the inquisitor can only choose to be the pet toy of the divine(over who they only had an indirect sway in appointment) or complete disbandment.

 

The option for Dalish inquisitors to try and go off with Solas is illusory & then ignored. While frustrating this isn’t even my biggest bugbear.

 

That is reserved for the fact inquisitors can spend the main game expressed independence & desiring to use the power at the fingertips to make change are cut off at the knees. The most extreme of the  options in ‘my heart shall burn’ is ‘I’ll do it for my own power’, which certainly doesn’t conform to the sacrificial choices of trespasser. The inquisitor is robbed of a large sense of agency or control of the inquisition’s fate. It’s suddenly subservient to the Divine & therefore choosing to be her personal guard or nothing. Personally I think there should have been other options even if these were much more negative. The simple choice of ‘status quo’ should have been there even if that led to betrayal by advisors/splintering of inquisition/Ferleden and Orlais besieging Skyhold or whatever.

 

I understand that they most likely wanted to make things easier for themselves in the next installment. However the extreme limitations at end to Trespasser left me with the feeling that I don’t ever want to see the inquisitor again, as he/she is seemingly strapped into a characterisation straightjacket I don’t welcome.

[leaguer of one]

The thing is at that point it's clear the inquisiton can't be independent anymore.It'll have too much conflict with the other countries of thedas and it's expose to spies.

 

The fact is the inquisition is too big. It can only function if it's smaller with the aid of other counties other wise it's just going to turn in to a mess. Trespasser is about showing the greatest weakness of the inquisition and seeing what you'll do about it.

[Kantr]

The problem is if you have too many choices the next game either has to ignore them or make them only reflected in codex. By limiting choices they can do more with it

[NoForgiveness]

The problem isn't just Ferelden and Orlais. Solas and the qunari had spies in the inquisition. It's useless in that state. Worse then useless actually. It would've actively held the inquisitor back.

[JasonPogo]

The whole story of Inqusition was about how large organizations become corupted and stop being what they were intended to be. We see this in the Chantry, the Templars, the Seekers, even the Circel of Mages. All of them were shadows of their former selves and that is what led to the chaos. So it fallows that the game would dash the Inquisition before that happend to it.

[wright1978]

The thing is at that point it's clear the inquisiton can't be independent anymore.It'll have too much conflict with the other countries of thedas and it's expose to spies.

 

The fact is the inquisition is too big. It can only function if it's smaller with the aid of other counties other wise it's just going to turn in to a mess. Trespasser is about showing the greatest weakness of the inquisition and seeing what you'll do about it.

 

If that's the point they want to make why not have a choice for nations of Thedas to forcibly disband the inquisition against the inquisitor's wishes to showcase that.

It could even reach the same ultimate conclusion as disband but offering roleplaying choice.

[Ieldra]

I fully agree with you, OP. That was a part of why I felt my Inquisitor lost, in a personal sense, at the end of Trespasser.

[leaguer of one]

If that's the point they want to make why not have a choice for nations of Thedas to forcibly disband the inquisition against the inquisitor's wishes to showcase that.

It could even reach the same ultimate conclusion as disband but offering roleplaying choice.

You miss understand. the Nations have nothing to do with the weakness or the disabling of the inquisition. it's not the nations that are the issues. The thing is the nations can't do it by force.That has nothing to do with roleplaying but with facts.

[leaguer of one]

I fully agree with you, OP. That was a part of why I felt my Inquisitor lost, in a personal sense, at the end of Trespasser.

What else could the quis do? if they keep thing the way they are it would fall apart from the inside out. It need a major reset with all the spy it has in the organization.

It can't do that by being independent.

[Poledo]

The inquisition exists within the borders of two nations. While from our perspective it makes sense that it go on, we know those countries would never allow that to continue without some checks and balances. Choosing to either disband - which allows you to essentially keep being the inquisition except in name. Or choosing to serve the Divine - which allows you to retain your army and serve under someone whom you put on the throne and is loyal to you while not being beholden to either nation.

 

It works.

[Chaos Imperius]

Simply 14 euro is too much for such short DLC  and End is either you can try to kill Solas,Convice him or join him, destroy or keep inqusition as a honor guard of the DIVINE also i don't get why major plot of the story must be in DLC so EA forcing people to buy their DLC i also hate that this DLC is classic stereotype unlike open world like Jaws of hakkon i hated the deep roads DLC due in fact it was again stereotype moving dlc which you could finish within 2 hours when i met tageann i thought he will be same like in ORIGINS a noble warrior but i met a old **** guy who BLAMED GREY WARDENS for everything and said they are exiled so MY grey warden is a king and saved his home and as a reward he insulting him  so my final verdict is 5/10 

[Chaos Imperius]

That's because Bioware is focusing on another Shepard defect story 

[Mr.House]

Simply 14 euro is too much for such short DLC  and End is either you can try to kill Solas,Convice him or join him, destroy or keep inqusition as a honor guard of the DIVINE also i don't get why major plot of the story must be in DLC so EA forcing people to buy their DLC i also hate that this DLC is classic stereotype unlike open world like Jaws of hakkon i hated the deep roads DLC due in fact it was again stereotype moving dlc which you could finish within 2 hours when i met tageann i thought he will be same like in ORIGINS a noble warrior but i met a old **** guy who BLAMED GREY WARDENS for everything and said they are exiled so MY grey warden is a king and saved his home and as a reward he insulting him  so my final verdict is 5/10 

Do I need to remind you what the wardens did? A ferelden warden saving Ferelden does not excuse what the order and its branches have done in the past.

[Chaos Imperius]

Do I need to remind you what the wardens did? A ferelden warden saving Ferelden does not excuse what the order and its branches have done in the past.

But he was talking about the Ferelden's wardens not about the Orlesian because Orlesians were responsible for binding demons for the Corypheus army 

[Chaos Imperius]

Taegan doesn't even know that they had permission to return when king Maric was on the throne lol

[Mr.House]

But he was talking about the Ferelden's wardens not about the Orlesian because Orlesians were responsible for binding demons for the Corypheus army 

Not all the wardens in Orlais where Orlesians, and the Orleasian branch can join the inquisition, which Teagan will bring up. Ferelden branch also got heavily involved in Ferelden politics when there was no blight, something they are supposed to be against (afterall Shroud left Kirkwall to burn in DA2 sp he could stay poltoicly neutral) So Teagan had ground to slander the order, that does not mean he was slandering the HoF.

[wright1978]

The inquisition exists within the borders of two nations. While from our perspective it makes sense that it go on, we know those countries would never allow that to continue without some checks and balances. Choosing to either disband - which allows you to essentially keep being the inquisition except in name. Or choosing to serve the Divine - which allows you to retain your army and serve under someone whom you put on the throne and is loyal to you while not being beholden to either nation.

 

It works.

As i said if they wished to present it couldn't continue they should have had the 2 nations ganging up as a consequence of carrying on as normal, instead of removing characterisation choices by excessive railroading into being divines puppet or disbandment.

 

 

Sorry don't see at all how the disband option is in any way remaining the inquisition without the name. It is literal disbandment, the organisation is no more, it has ceased to be, it's expired and gone to meet 'is maker. No more soldiers, spies, political representation.

 

It doesn't work particularly well in a game that tries to claim player has control over the nature of the organisation.

[wright1978]

What else could the quis do? if they keep thing the way they are it would fall apart from the inside out. It need a major reset with all the spy it has in the organization.

It can't do that by being independent.

 

What nonsense. The inquisition may indeed have some potential spies. If having potential for spies is reason for disbandment, then every nation and organisation in Thedas needs to disband as they have potential for having spies of one particular type or another.

[Chaos Imperius]

Not all the wardens in Orlais where Orlesians, and the Orleasian branch can join the inquisition, which Teagan will bring up. Ferelden branch also got heavily involved in Ferelden politics when there was no blight, something they are supposed to be against (afterall Shroud left Kirkwall to burn in DA2 sp he could stay poltoicly neutral) So Teagan had ground to slander the order, that does not mean he was slandering the HoF.

Orlesians were abused by Corypheus and Orlesian leader of Grey wardens was a mage so you can't accuse them for doing something  without their free will  and yes they involted into politics but for greater good so i can't see it as a problem if they tried help people against a tyran

[Chaos Imperius]

+ if he wants to exile wardens i wonder what will Slain the archdemon if all wardens gonna be exiled or executed 

[Mr.House]

Orlesians were abused by Corypheus and Orlesian leader of Grey wardens was a mage so you can't accuse them for doing something  without their free will  and yes they involted into politics but for greater good so i can't see it as a problem if they tried help people against a tyran

It does not matter why they did it, what matters is that they lost and the winner writes history. Even what is learned at Wardens Keep does more damage to the wardnes then good if that ever leaked out.

[Chaos Imperius]

It does not matter why they did it, what matters is that they lost and the winner writes history. Even what is learned at Wardens Keep does more damage to the wardnes then good if that ever leaked out.

This did Sophia and Avernus and Grey wardens can use every power if they want that's their rights same with recruiting new grey wardens 

[Chaos Imperius]

Not the Order which lives in Weisshaupt Fortress 

[Mr.House]

This did Sophia and Avernus and Grey wardens can use every power if they want that's their rights same with recruiting new grey wardens 

They weakened the veil and summoned demons. When was the last time the wardens did this? Oh yeah at Adamant.

[Heimdall]

What nonsense. The inquisition may indeed have some potential spies. If having potential for spies is reason for disbandment, then every nation and organisation in Thedas needs to disband as they have potential for having spies of one particular type or another.

The real problem is that the Inquisition's existence is dependent on alliances.  The Inquisition becomes ineffective if it makes enemies of it's most important supporters: Fereldan and Orlais.  That's why it's only realistic choices are to either downsize to appease them or disband altogether.

 

The issue with the spies isn't that there are a few, the issue is that the Inquisition is so badly compromised that the Qunari were able to use them to smuggle explosives into the Exalted Council and Fen'Harel was able to play them like a fiddle.  Some kind of restructuring is necessary.