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I find myself wondering what Bioware's longterm gameplan is for Mass Effect.


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Going in with a negative attitude just means you give yourself the chance to be positively surprised if the game actually delivers. After all, a pessimist is never disappointed.


Eh, I've heard enough angsty "Just when we thought it couldn't get worse, it did!" comments to know this isn't really true.
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Eh, I've heard enough angsty "Just when we thought it couldn't get worse, it did!" comments to know this isn't really true.

That's something a true pessimist would never say. The people who say that are more like cautious optimists wearing hand-knitted pessimist sweaters.


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That's something a true pessimist would never say. The people who say that are more like cautious optimists wearing hand-knitted pessimist sweaters.


That sounds more like fatalism than pessimism.

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I usually approach things I've been waiting excited for with somewhat low expectations because I know my excitment may very likely cause me to raise my expectations so high nothing would stand a chance of reaching them by half.

 

That's not to say I have myself believe or expect somthing to be terrible but that I try to approach things with a state of mind that allows me to judge something on it's presented merits rather than the merits I expected it to have before I experienced it.

 

If any of that made sense.  



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Going in with a negative attitude just means you give yourself the chance to be positively surprised if the game actually delivers. After all, a pessimist is never disappointed.


Pessimists are always disappointed. That's pretty much the whole deal. If they weren't disappointed in everything they wouldn't be pessimists. What you're describing is a neutral attitude, not a pessimistic attitude.

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I'm not demanding confidence from you. I'm just pointing out that you're fabricating reasons to be concerned/pessimistic. There are legitimate reasons to be unsure/lacking in confidence, such as the Omega DLC being thoroughly meh, so making up reasons out of thin air just comes across as childish.

 

What reasons am I making up?



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I think we're getting to the crux of your thread's purpose. Eh.
 

 

Nope it was just another point that I had just remembered after reading Jaquio's post. I don't know why you'd think I typed that entire OP out, if my real message was "Screw Mac Walters".

 

 

All three games had "failures" (especially ME2), regardless of the origin of their vision. I'm fine with an evolution of vision, and I don't see any evidence of a lack of enthusiasm yet.

 

No game is perfect and all three Mass Effect games had their share of flaws. But let's not act like ME3 didn't have the flaws that upset people the most. ME2's gutting of leveling system didn't make news.



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That sounds more like fatalism than pessimism.

 

Maybe people take their games too seriously.


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That sounds more like fatalism than pessimism.

Nah, pessimism is an attitude, and has nothing to do with fatalism.  The point is that a pessimist expects the worst, and if things turn out worst than expected, then by definition you are not a pessimist. ;P



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Nah, pessimism is an attitude, and has nothing to do with fatalism.  The point is that a pessimist expects the worst, and if things turn out worst than expected, then by definition you are not a pessimist. ;P


Fatalism (being fatalistic) is also an attitude, and an absolute one.

Pessimists only think they've expected the worst, until worse actually arrives.

Fatalists are resigned to the worst being inevitable.

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What reasons am I making up?


You mean aside from the new team being unenthusiastic about making the game?

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Long-term plan? From Bioware?

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Fatalism (being fatalistic) is also an attitude, and an absolute one.

Pessimists only think they've expected the worst, until worse actually arrives.

Fatalists are resigned to the worst being inevitable.

Fatalism is a philosophy, one step beyond determinism.  It states that all things are pre-determined, all results, all actions, all behaviors, everything.  That is not an attitude.  Now yes, a resulting attitude of "I quit" or "what's the point" (being fatalistic) crops up in fatalism (which happens to be an actually argument against fatalism, by the way), but these attitudes are not fatalism, and they are the consequences of a fatalistic point of view.

Fatalists are not resigned to the worst thing possible, they are resigned to being powerless and without any will.  Pessimism is very different that this.  Pessimism is the attitude that the worst events are likely going to happen.  This contrasts with depression, which assumes the worst will happen.



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You mean aside from the new team being unenthusiastic about making the game?

Did he say they were not enthusiastic?  I just read him saying he "wondered about their enthusiasm" which an indication of doubt, and nothing else.



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Maybe people take their games too seriously.


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#116
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Fatalism is a philosophy, one step beyond determinism.  It states that all things are pre-determined, all results, all actions, all behaviors, everything.  That is not an attitude.  Now yes, a resulting attitude of "I quit" or "what's the point" (being fatalistic) crops up in fatalism (which happens to be an actually argument against fatalism, by the way), but these attitudes are not fatalism, and they are the consequences of a fatalistic point of view.


An attitude is still produced by fatalism. Point stands.

Fatalists are not resigned to the worst thing possible, they are resigned to being powerless and without any will.


They are resigned to an ultimate inevitability. Banking on the absolute worst outcome happening is resigning to an ultimate inevitability. 

Pessimism is very different that this.


Agreed. Pessimism expects the worst, without know how bad things can really get.  Hence why pessimists are responsible for the statement I mentioned.

Pessimism is the attitude that the worst events are likely going to happen.  This contrasts with depression, which assumes the worst will happen.


Hey, if you're making a connection between fatalism and depression, I'll agree to that.

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ME2's gutting of leveling system didn't make news.

 

That might have something to do with ME1's leveling system having so little depth to begin with and being bloated with way too many incremental upgrades that barely did anything.


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An attitude is still produced by fatalism. Point stands.
 

They are resigned to an ultimate inevitability. Banking on the absolute worst outcome happening is resigning to an ultimate inevitability. 
 

Nope, sorry.  Fatalism is a philosophy, not an attitude.  Pessimism is an attitude, not a philosophy.  They are not at all the same thing.  And an ultimate inevitability could be:  "and they all lived happily ever after."  So again, you are mistaken.



#119
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Nope, sorry.  Fatalism is a philosophy, not an attitude.  Pessimism is an attitude, not a philosophy.  They are not at all the same thing.  And an ultimate inevitability could be:  "and they all lived happily ever after."  So again, you are mistaken.


You're going to have to cite where pessimism is denounced as a philosophy. It's first considered an attitude, but it's also a branch of philosophical thought and basis, and widely considered as such.

Pessimism spawns a pessimistic attitude. Fatalism spawns a fatalistic attitude. That includes the inevitability of negative expectations.

So again, I am not mistaken.

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That might have something to do with ME1's leveling system having so little depth to begin with and being bloated with way too many incremental upgrades that barely did anything.

 

Never really understood this criticism. If people were complaining that ME2 didn't fix ME1's system that would be one thing. But people make it sound like ME2 botched this fantastic leveling system that never really existed. Likewise with the inventory system.
 


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#121
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I have a strong feeling that this will be the first of a new trilogy in the Mass Effect universe.

But I do hope there is much more planned for this series and universe. It definitely has the lore potential

 

I hope as well, but don't get it high. My bets go on that it was one major thing that distinguish ME from DA series, so it would be reasonable to keep it that way. Even Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darah (don't remember witch one) said that in one of the dev-diaries for DAI.



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Did he say they were not enthusiastic?  I just read him saying he "wondered about their enthusiasm" which an indication of doubt, and nothing else.

 

Are you looking for an argument or are you actually not able to see how silly your post is?



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You mean aside from the new team being unenthusiastic about making the game?

 

Never said they were. Please think about what I just said before you try to show me that I did. Because I didn't.



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That might have something to do with ME1's leveling system having so little depth to begin with and being bloated with way too many incremental upgrades that barely did anything.

 

I recall a lot of people being upset at how simplified the RPG elements were. But it never reached ****storm levels. None of the flaws of ME1 and ME2 did.



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Never said they were. Please think about what I just said before you try to show me that I did. Because I didn't.

 

You didn't say you were concerned about how enthusiastic the new team is about making the game? Really?