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Sandal Prophecy Analysis and 3 Theories (TRESPASSER SPOILERS)


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Okay! So let's start off with my General Idea!
I believe ALL People once had access to Magic. Elves, Humans, Dwarves, and Qunari.
 
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As we know now, the Veil serves as a Prison Gate and a Debilitator. Solas has confirmed that the Veil weakens Magic, though it was not intentional. All Elves once had access to Magic and were Immortal, but the creation of the Veil took that away. Likely, people with a lesser Affinity to Magic and low-mana levels were cut off from accessing the Fade consciously. For example, Dwarves for many generations have lived underground around Lyrium, to which they have developed a resistence to Magic. Magic exist in the Waking World and the Fade, so Dwarves developing a resistence to Lyrium, could have resulted in being cut off from the Lyrium in the Fade as well. Also, Dwarves have always lived underground and it is stated by Ancient Elven Legend that they were denied Elgar'nan's light, which is most accurately translated to be the Fade. They were not in direct contact with the Fade for generations, much like a Plant needs the Sun or a source of Light to grow, Mages need exposure to the Fade to access Magic. Valta being an exception because she is hit with Pure, Raw Lyrium Magic, increasing her Mana Levels indirectly, without her ingesting Lyrium which would poison her, or "Fade Exposure Rays", making her a Mage.
 
Sandal Prophecy Analysis
 
"One day the Magic will come back. ALL of it.  Everyone will be just like they were."
This implies that there is Magic in the world, but there was more before. When all People dream they go into the Fade, but Mages go in consciously. I believe when Solas tears down the Veil, everyone will have access to Magic, like they once had before. Solas says All Elves had access to Magic, but Humans, Dwarves, and Qunari came after all of that, after the Veil was created, so they would have no records to support this claim.
"The Shadows will Part, and the Skies will open wide."
The "Shadows" are likely referring to the Veil, the Skies are likely referring to the Fade. 
"When he Rises, everyone will see."
He is most likely referring to Solas. (At first I believed he could be talking about the next Protagonist, but you can be Male or Female in Bioware games.)
 
Finally, My predictions for Dragon Age 4, or whatever name it will be.
 
Solas says, "The return of my people means the end of yours." Solas never explains why the current world must be destroyed to recreate the old world. Likely because the world being destroyed is unavoidable, like when the Veil was created. If my theory is true, the sheer chaos of all people becoming Mages, like Templars, Chantry Clerics and Mothers, Tevinter Slaves, Qunari, destruction will be inevitable. Qunari are all cautious of Bas Saarebas and Saarebas, but if all ranks of Qunari discover they are all Saarebas, Qunari religion would implode on itself. Likely, the Arishok, Arigena, and Ariqun will all accuse The Tevinter Emperium of corrupting the Qun and initiate a Full-Scale Invasion of Tevinter. Chantry officials and ranks will turn against their Religion, feeling lied to. They will question Andraste and the Maker, believing if all of the Maker's children are Mages, wouldn't that mean the Maker and Andraste are mages? This will likely cause Mass Suicides and Genocides resulting in the death of Millions. This would also give the setting of Dragon Age 4, as we know the Inquisitor is going to seek aid from Tevinter, which will likely inadvertenly be the Protagonist of DA4.
 
Last theory for now.
If all people are Mages, doesn't that make Andraste a Mage?
I do believe Andraste was a Mage, as the Tevinter Emperium states, she was an extremely powerful Mage. Now, you have to ask, what made her so Powerful? I have made a cool little connection between Andraste and... Flemeth. Andraste was born -203 Ancient(992 TE) among the Alamarri tribe.  Alamarri tribal legends says they were fleeing a “shadow goddess”, but modern scholars believe they were escaping a sort of natural disaster. I believe that "Shadow Goddess" was Mythal. I think she first entrusted Andraste with helping her succeed in her plan to destroy Tevinter, obviously not telling her of her real intentions to destroy the Evanuris. I have reason to believe The Golden City is a reflection of Arlathan, because it is, as the Vir Dirthara, intrinsically tied to the Fade. Mythal showed Andraste what became of her home, and informed Andraste of what is happening to her people right now, which lead to Andraste's Exalted Marches. When one is possessed by a Spirit, the person and the spirit's thoughts become one, but neither Andraste or Mythal should've known of this because Mythal has never possessed anyone prior and Andraste has never been possessed. When Andraste started feeling Mythal's thoughts as her own, she may have discovered her real plan to either, Wake Solas, or Find his Orb, so the Veil can be torn down and Mythal can destroy the Evanuris as they will be considerabley weaker as a result of being sealed for so long. Andraste must have found out about this and realized the deal she made with Mythal was not genuine. Andraste realized that she had so many followers who believed in her power to be holy, she couldn't be open to them and tell them she was Possessed by what she likely referred to as a "Demon" that they were all misled and deceived. She had to die, but she knew if the people knew why she had to die, they would be outraged and deem her a False Prophet, or a Betrayer. Only one person would understand her situation, Maferath. Maferath loved Andraste so much, that he went through with her calculated plan  to commit suicide and allowed himself to forever be known as "The Betrayer."
 
If you made it this far, let me know what you think! Fill some holes if you spot any! This is my first post ever, so be gentle  :D  :P  ;)
If you have a theory as well, throw it out there  :)
 

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I also think Andraste has to be linked to Flemythal in some way, particularly since there are similarities to both their stories. Unless it's a red herring, I think your explanation makes a lot of sense. :)

 

Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.


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I have believed the Andraste part to be true since I first saw Anders....

I wonder if everyone in the DA world was once a spirit (minus dwarves who were created by Titans) but when the Veil was created, they went through such a sudden shock that groups forced themselves to become solid and mortal....

eh... a thought I guess.


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The prediction can't be the protag unless we are playing a set male.


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The prediction can't be the protag unless we are playing a set male.

Right! So it is Solas indefinitely ^_^



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Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.

 

source?



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source?

Because so far the only confirmed shape shifting into a dragon was done by Flemeth who had mythal inside her and Morrigan who used the well of sorrows to learn how to do it.

 

Both cases had help from something elven.



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Right. Flemeth is a shapeshifter and can change into a dragon. What are Archdemons? Dragons with the souls of the old gods in them. Flemeth saved one of the old god souls by saving the Warden and sending Morrigan along as the vessel for the old soul. They are only corrupted when the darkspawn find them. So we can probably assume that these old "gods" were also powerful mages. Question is, whose side were they on?



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I also think Andraste has to be linked to Flemythal in some way, particularly since there are similarities to both their stories. Unless it's a red herring, I think your explanation makes a lot of sense. :)

 

Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.

 

 

Is there canon evidence that Andraste could do that? If so, this is more evidence for my theory that Andraste was influenced by Flemeth, who used her mother for the ritual to house the spirit of Dumat at the end of the First Blight. After all, she was born in -203 Ancient, the same year Dumat was offed for good.

She can hear voices and has a lot of info on Magic, the Fade, etc. If she has the spirit of an Old God/Creator in her, she can get the information about turning into a dragon quite easily.

 

But I think the propechy is about Solas, not Flemeth, just as the OP said. Well, he is using her power and that of the souls she collected from the Blights, so she is helping him in a way.



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Because so far the only confirmed shape shifting into a dragon was done by Flemeth who had mythal inside her and Morrigan who used the well of sorrows to learn how to do it.

 

Both cases had help from something elven.

 

I don't dispute that Morrigan and Flemeth have elven help to do so but I meant as in Andraste turning into a dragon, which the person I quoted Andraste has done ... where does it say that? So, source?


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Is there canon evidence that Andraste could do that? If so, this is more evidence for my theory that Andraste was influenced by Flemeth, who used her mother for the ritual to house the spirit of Dumat at the end of the First Blight. After all, she was born in -203 Ancient, the same year Dumat was offed for good.

She can hear voices and has a lot of info on Magic, the Fade, etc. If she has the spirit of an Old God/Creator in her, she can get the information about turning into a dragon quite easily.

 

But I think the propechy is about Solas, not Flemeth, just as the OP said. Well, he is using her power and that of the souls she collected from the Blights, so she is helping him in a way.

 

As far as I could find there is no evidence whatsoever for Andraste being able to turn into a dragon. How can Flemeth, born some 900 odd years after Andraste influence the latter? Aside from that there s no evidence whatsoever that Bronach, Andraste's mother, was a mage herself. More to the other direction because Andraste gifted Shartan with her mother's sword.

Source of her turning into a dragon? What you offered until now is no evidence, only speculation with facts that mean next to nothing because there is no hard proof to support it.


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As far as I could find there is no evidence whatsoever for Andraste being able to turn into a dragon. How can Flemeth, born some 900 odd years after Andraste influence the latter? Aside from that there s no evidence whatsoever that Bronach, Andraste's mother, was a mage herself. More to the other direction because Andraste gifted Shartan with her mother's sword.

Source of her turning into a dragon? What you offered until now is no evidence, only speculation with facts that mean next to nothing because there is no hard proof to support it.

Yeah I couldn't find anything to support that either.



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I would assume they're talking about the Haven cult in DAO who think that the high dragon is Andraste reborn?



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I would assume they're talking about the Haven cult in DAO who think that the high dragon is Andraste reborn?

Yeah I remembered wrong, Andraste as a high dragon was actually hinted at with the the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. I remember it's in the snowy mountains in DAO when you become a reaver. I thought even then it was implied Flemeth was somehow associated with that legend even though the cultists seemed crazy..

 

I get the feeling there's more to Solas and Mythal's relationship too, like I wouldn't be surprised if they were lovers before. That is, if Andraste/Mythal became one person at some point in time. The similarities between Solas and Shartan and Andraste and Mythal can't just be a coincidence, 



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Yeah I remembered wrong, Andraste as a high dragon was actually hinted at with the the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. I remember it's in the snowy mountains in DAO when you become a reaver. I thought even then it was implied Flemeth was somehow associated with that legend even though the cultists seemed crazy..

 

I get the feeling there's more to Solas and Mythal's relationship too, like I wouldn't be surprised if they were lovers before. That is, if Andraste/Mythal became one person at some point in time. The similarities between Solas and Shartan and Andraste and Mythal can't just be a coincidence, 

 

There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.

 

The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...


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There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.

 

The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...

 

Well in my opinion I think there's some compelling evidence, but right now all there is are bits and pieces of info that could mean so many different things. Putting it all together is the fun part. Sure there could be red herrings in there and no one's saying any of this is fact. It's just trying to make sense of what's happened so far. 



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There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.

 

The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...

Most of what my theory is trying to make sense of is from the Ancient Times, which many of the events from this time period are known only through Oral Tradition and have been mythologized as a result. Nothing here is guaranteed evidence, but I analyzed what was given and gave a theory as to how the events may have played out. Whether I'm right or dead wrong remains to be seen.