Sandal Prophecy Analysis and 3 Theories (TRESPASSER SPOILERS)
#1
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 04:24
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#2
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 04:38
I also think Andraste has to be linked to Flemythal in some way, particularly since there are similarities to both their stories. Unless it's a red herring, I think your explanation makes a lot of sense. ![]()
Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.
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#3
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 05:11
I have believed the Andraste part to be true since I first saw Anders....
I wonder if everyone in the DA world was once a spirit (minus dwarves who were created by Titans) but when the Veil was created, they went through such a sudden shock that groups forced themselves to become solid and mortal....
eh... a thought I guess.
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#4
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 05:34
The prediction can't be the protag unless we are playing a set male.
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#5
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 05:40
The prediction can't be the protag unless we are playing a set male.
Right! So it is Solas indefinitely ![]()
#6
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 05:43
Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.
source?
#7
Posté 25 septembre 2015 - 05:52
source?
Because so far the only confirmed shape shifting into a dragon was done by Flemeth who had mythal inside her and Morrigan who used the well of sorrows to learn how to do it.
Both cases had help from something elven.
#8
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 12:38
Right. Flemeth is a shapeshifter and can change into a dragon. What are Archdemons? Dragons with the souls of the old gods in them. Flemeth saved one of the old god souls by saving the Warden and sending Morrigan along as the vessel for the old soul. They are only corrupted when the darkspawn find them. So we can probably assume that these old "gods" were also powerful mages. Question is, whose side were they on?
#9
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 05:57
I also think Andraste has to be linked to Flemythal in some way, particularly since there are similarities to both their stories. Unless it's a red herring, I think your explanation makes a lot of sense.
Oh also in the legend people believe Andraste turned into a high dragon....pretty sure dragons are linked to the ancient elves from what we know now.
Is there canon evidence that Andraste could do that? If so, this is more evidence for my theory that Andraste was influenced by Flemeth, who used her mother for the ritual to house the spirit of Dumat at the end of the First Blight. After all, she was born in -203 Ancient, the same year Dumat was offed for good.
She can hear voices and has a lot of info on Magic, the Fade, etc. If she has the spirit of an Old God/Creator in her, she can get the information about turning into a dragon quite easily.
But I think the propechy is about Solas, not Flemeth, just as the OP said. Well, he is using her power and that of the souls she collected from the Blights, so she is helping him in a way.
#10
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 10:17
Because so far the only confirmed shape shifting into a dragon was done by Flemeth who had mythal inside her and Morrigan who used the well of sorrows to learn how to do it.
Both cases had help from something elven.
I don't dispute that Morrigan and Flemeth have elven help to do so but I meant as in Andraste turning into a dragon, which the person I quoted Andraste has done ... where does it say that? So, source?
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#11
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 10:25
Is there canon evidence that Andraste could do that? If so, this is more evidence for my theory that Andraste was influenced by Flemeth, who used her mother for the ritual to house the spirit of Dumat at the end of the First Blight. After all, she was born in -203 Ancient, the same year Dumat was offed for good.
She can hear voices and has a lot of info on Magic, the Fade, etc. If she has the spirit of an Old God/Creator in her, she can get the information about turning into a dragon quite easily.
But I think the propechy is about Solas, not Flemeth, just as the OP said. Well, he is using her power and that of the souls she collected from the Blights, so she is helping him in a way.
As far as I could find there is no evidence whatsoever for Andraste being able to turn into a dragon. How can Flemeth, born some 900 odd years after Andraste influence the latter? Aside from that there s no evidence whatsoever that Bronach, Andraste's mother, was a mage herself. More to the other direction because Andraste gifted Shartan with her mother's sword.
Source of her turning into a dragon? What you offered until now is no evidence, only speculation with facts that mean next to nothing because there is no hard proof to support it.
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#12
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 05:02
As far as I could find there is no evidence whatsoever for Andraste being able to turn into a dragon. How can Flemeth, born some 900 odd years after Andraste influence the latter? Aside from that there s no evidence whatsoever that Bronach, Andraste's mother, was a mage herself. More to the other direction because Andraste gifted Shartan with her mother's sword.
Source of her turning into a dragon? What you offered until now is no evidence, only speculation with facts that mean next to nothing because there is no hard proof to support it.
Yeah I couldn't find anything to support that either.
#13
Posté 26 septembre 2015 - 07:47
I would assume they're talking about the Haven cult in DAO who think that the high dragon is Andraste reborn?
#14
Posté 27 septembre 2015 - 11:19
I would assume they're talking about the Haven cult in DAO who think that the high dragon is Andraste reborn?
Yeah I remembered wrong, Andraste as a high dragon was actually hinted at with the the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. I remember it's in the snowy mountains in DAO when you become a reaver. I thought even then it was implied Flemeth was somehow associated with that legend even though the cultists seemed crazy..
I get the feeling there's more to Solas and Mythal's relationship too, like I wouldn't be surprised if they were lovers before. That is, if Andraste/Mythal became one person at some point in time. The similarities between Solas and Shartan and Andraste and Mythal can't just be a coincidence,
#15
Posté 27 septembre 2015 - 11:42
Yeah I remembered wrong, Andraste as a high dragon was actually hinted at with the the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. I remember it's in the snowy mountains in DAO when you become a reaver. I thought even then it was implied Flemeth was somehow associated with that legend even though the cultists seemed crazy..
I get the feeling there's more to Solas and Mythal's relationship too, like I wouldn't be surprised if they were lovers before. That is, if Andraste/Mythal became one person at some point in time. The similarities between Solas and Shartan and Andraste and Mythal can't just be a coincidence,
There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.
The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...
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#16
Posté 27 septembre 2015 - 12:00
There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.
The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...
Well in my opinion I think there's some compelling evidence, but right now all there is are bits and pieces of info that could mean so many different things. Putting it all together is the fun part. Sure there could be red herrings in there and no one's saying any of this is fact. It's just trying to make sense of what's happened so far.
#17
Posté 29 septembre 2015 - 11:13
There is no proof, hint whatsoever saying Andratse has been a host to Mythal like Flemeth has been. And Shartan being Solas? As far as we know Shartan was a warrior, he got Andraste's mother sword, and not a mage. And I don't believe Solas would have gone back to sleep after helping Andraste, why should he? I mean, it is clear he only really cares für 'his people' and not anyone else.
The problem here is that we see one interesting event, Flemeth/Mythals and Solas/Fen'Heral, and suddenly all other strange happenings HAVE to be the same. Sera has an elven god inside of her, Sandal has an elven god inside of him, suddenly the elven gods are everywhere while Solas claims he had locked them away ...
Most of what my theory is trying to make sense of is from the Ancient Times, which many of the events from this time period are known only through Oral Tradition and have been mythologized as a result. Nothing here is guaranteed evidence, but I analyzed what was given and gave a theory as to how the events may have played out. Whether I'm right or dead wrong remains to be seen.





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