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[Il Divo]

I don't think it's worth implementing in this case. The racist Shepard was kinda meh in ME1, and Bioware started moving away from that with future games. I think it would be a waste of time to reintroduce racism regarding the original races. Now, on the other hand, if Bioware wants to go that route with the races that we haven't encountered yet, that could be another question entirely.

[General TSAR]

Ultra nationalist - Human Supremacist playthrough is a must. Xenophobia should be more explored in the ME universe.

It was in ME1 and ME2, but it then got watered down massively in ME3 because reasons. 

[The Hierophant]

Sure. More options in crafting a pc's persona would be nice.

[KaiserShep]

It was in ME1 and ME2, but it then got watered down massively in ME3 because reasons. 

 

Well, you can actually condemn an entire race just because you don't trust them, even though the problem they may pose wouldn't manifest itself until after the machine apocalypse is over. 

[Il Divo]

Well, you can actually condemn an entire race just because you don't trust them, even though the problem they may pose wouldn't manifest itself until after the machine apocalypse is over. 

 

I always thought that was kind of funny. Destroy is presented as being the option most in line with Organics and Synthetics can get along, but that's the ending where we actually commit genocide against synthetics. On the other hand, Control/Synthesis acknowledge the Catalyst's concerns regarding the eventual uprising, but those do allow for the Geth/EDI to survive. ​

[WildOrchid]

I support (almost) anything that allows the player to define her character however she chooses. 

We should be able to make our Pathfinder a shining, shimmering, splendid exemplar of human nobility (yes, I just quoted Aladdin), a brutal supremacist who puts the needs of humanity far above the needs of "hideous" aliens -- and everything in between.

Omnipresent political correctness is not conducive to good roleplaying.

The important thing is that our actions, good or bad, have believable consequences. You can't go around insulting every lifeform with three fingers and expect your Turian, Krogan and Quarian squadmates to bring you breakfast in bed.

 

Yes yes, a million times yes.

[fhs33721]

I think the ME games already give you ample opportinity to be racist and I'd very much like to keep it at current levels.

I mean, how could the protagonist be even (believeably) more racist than Shepard? You can already commit genocide  multiple times during the series. Sometimes apparently just for the hell of it. You can often enough make openly racist statements and at least in ME2 support the human supremacist terrorist-group.

Do you want the next protaginist to stand around giving speeches to human-only audiences about how all those filthy aliens took our jobs? Or is s/he supposed to say stupid nonense like "I'm not a racist. I have Asari friends myself, but Asari are all a bunch of stripping hussies who mind-control our women into being gay and we should throw them off our planet immediately."?

[Navasha]

Wasn't this pretty much a 100% renegade playthrough already?   While I definitely support them making the personalities of our protagonists be very flexible with how the player wants to play, I do have to say I rarely finish my attempts at making a renegade run.    Start hating my own character too much.

[JamieCOTC]

My renegade Shep wasn't a racist. She just hated everyone equally. (at least until ME3 )

[Ahriman]

Yeah, it would be funny if Ark is united project and humans owe their lives to asari, salarians and turians (as much as they owe theirs to humans, mind you), but PC goes full redneck with "All those primitives! Humanity #1!".

But hey, it's Bioware we are talking about, so ARKON is an Alliance project and other races are just there because humans felt pity on them, so supremacist behaviour will be totally logical and justified.

[Seboist]

It was in ME1 and ME2, but it then got watered down massively in ME3 because reasons. 

 

There wasn't human nationalist anything in ME2. Even the pro-cerb choices weren't about human dominance(as far as Shepard's own justification for it).

 

Wasn't this pretty much a 100% renegade playthrough already?   While I definitely support them making the personalities of our protagonists be very flexible with how the player wants to play, I do have to say I rarely finish my attempts at making a renegade run.    Start hating my own character too much.

 

Seeing as how Wrex applauds killing the Rachni Queen in ME1 and how Han'Gerrel wants to crack open a six pack of budweiser after Renegade Shepard recommends that the Quarians go ahead and smash the Geth in ME2, nope.

[Gothfather]

The limit of the players ability to play X personality should be dictated by cost and what fits the story. The player's desire for X means absolutely zero. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean it should be developed. If i wanted to play a Jedi umpa lumpa I shouldn't be indulged just because i desire it. The extent of what we can and can't do with out character should ALWAYS fit within the context of the story and it is also dictated by cost.

 

Players may think they are super duper extra special so what they want should be included but really you are not as important as you think you are. There is only one part of game development where you are important in, will I BUY said product.

[Vortex13]

Well, you can actually condemn an entire race just because you don't trust them, even though the problem they may pose wouldn't manifest itself until after the machine apocalypse is over. 

 

 

Shepard can also condemn the Hanar for similar reasons. If you don't stop the virus upload and don't have Kasumi to help you, and then pick the Renegade response, Shepard's justification for saving one Salarian spectre over an entire planet is: "They brought this on themselves." Referring to the indoctrinated Hanar diplomat. 

 

So Kahje burning is justified because of one indoctrinated Hanar? I guess I shouldn't feel bad about Earth getting sacked then, what with TIM, Kai Leng, and Udina all drinking the Reaper Kool-Aid. 

[Wulfram]

ME3 sometimes makes me feel like you can't play a non racist Shepard, what with all the constant focus on Earth while everyone else if having their homeworlds blown up too.

[Rappeldrache]

I'm in Mass effect 1 again and with Kaidan and Ashley on Citadel and Ashley is telling me: "Look at this, I can't make a diffreence between the animals and the aliens."

[Vortex13]

ME3 sometimes makes me feel like you can't play a non racist Shepard, what with all the constant focus on Earth while everyone else if having their homeworlds blown up too.

 

 

I agree. Half of the time it seems that Shepard is only recruiting allies to 'Take Back Earth' instead of getting assets together for the Crucible. 

 

Earth is a lost cause, and up until the Reapers decided that the plot would be better served by moving the McGuffin there, the galaxy would have been smart to not go charging blindly into the heart of enemy held territory to capture a tactfully insignificant target. If any homeworld was worth 'Taking Back'  it would have been Palavan, since the Turians actually managed to maintain contested control over their home system.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

It will never happen,  as the diseases known as censorship and political correctness are far too endemic and pervasive .

They should allow sexism, racism, atheism, arrogance, greed, lust, envy . By no means should they be glorified but they should be allowed to function similar to one of Aesops fables, how can we learn if we are never shown.

[Killdren88]

The question comes to mind of why dose the way someone acts in a SP game bother some people?

[Jester]

No.

In fantasy worlds, be it high fantasy of science fiction fantasy, the term 'race' has been used to denote specific character species, namely those that develop civilizations. It was made popular with writer's such as J.R.R. Tolkien, referring to 'The Race of Men, Elves, Orcs' Et cetera and has been utilized to this day.

Those races are actual races, because in most of those worlds, they can interbreed (therefore are races, not species). They certainly can in LotR (at least Men and Elves), they can in Dragon Age, they can in The Witcher, in Forgotten Realms and probably a bunch of other settings, where they are called races.

In Mass Effect they are in fact different species (as they cannot interbreed and have no common ancestry).

 

Just for the record, there are no human races at all (there's only one race, maybe with an exception of some really isolated, uncivilized island populations), and the term as it is frequently used in public discourse is scientifically incorrect and misleading. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

As to playing as a racist xenophobe bully my question is: why can't the aliens be the racist xenophobes bullies instead? I find it kind of stupid that everyone plays as a racist xenophobic bully, but I've seen NO ONE wants who wants to be on the receiving end of a racist xenophobia bullies. I think it's time to see a game that shows the player what it's like to be bullied.

 

Also why does everyone assume that the PC and company are going to be the most advanced races in the Andromeda galaxy? Why can't the Andromeda galaxy have races that are far more advanced than anyone in Milky Way Galaxy? I think it would be far interesting that those thinking that they're going to conquer a new galaxy might be the ones who get conquered by races more powerful and advanced than anyone from the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

First of all, the ARK hasn't been confirmed yet and neither has the retarded "Let's run 2.5 million light years away from the Reapers with technology we don't have"-plan the biower drones are so maternally attached to. If you're going to make an argumentative point, don't base it on wild and unsupported speculation.

 

Because right now the ARK option is the only makes sense in the current timeline. The only reasons why the Council would send a ship to another galaxy are:

 

1) Resources following the events of ME3 element zero is running low and none can be found in the Milky Way galaxy so team is sent to the Andromeda galaxy to find more. The real downside is that this canonizes the destroy and maybe the control endings and since the ME3 endings are so toxic wouldn't be a good idea to canonize any of them.

 

2) Survival the Reapers are coming and maybe the Council thinks that they can win but a backup plan in case they don't so they build a massive ARK and send it to Andromeda to save as many races as they can. You can put this after Shepard "dies" at the start of ME2 to the 6 month gap between ME2 and ME3 and this would also avoid dealing with the endings.

 

3) The ARK gets to the Andromeda galaxy by a freak accident and is stuck there. The crew makes the best of a bad situation.Like option two this one gives you the most room in the timeline.

 

Just speculation on the info that I know and if I'm wrong, well it won't be the first time I was wrong and it won't be the last.  

[KaiserShep]

Shepard can also condemn the Hanar for similar reasons. If you don't stop the virus upload and don't have Kasumi to help you, and then pick the Renegade response, Shepard's justification for saving one Salarian spectre over an entire planet is: "They brought this on themselves." Referring to the indoctrinated Hanar diplomat. 

 

So Kahje burning is justified because of one indoctrinated Hanar? I guess I shouldn't feel bad about Earth getting sacked then, what with TIM, Kai Leng, and Udina all drinking the Reaper Kool-Aid. 

 

Lol, it's been so long since I've played an everybody's dead playthrough that I forgot the alternate outcome of the indoctrinated diplomat mission. A universe with a dead Kasumi is a universe I don't wanna play.

[liclic]

I'm sad that in MEA there will  be no possibility to play a non human as the main character... how I love using an hanar or an asari or even the shadow brocker kind of animal.