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[larsdt]

This is not supposed to be a tread for newbeees about MP tactics. The short version about this is L2P, and I'm OK with that.

 

I would like to adress the critisism of inexperienced (Pug)players advancing too quickly and/or leeching credits on higher levels. If you're in the lobby with somone  who says "I just got my 1st UR weapon - lets go gold" then the frustation is fully justified, but there are no clear cut indicators.

 

I would say before advancing to silver

-  get to know the map layouts (ammo supplies, choke points, hazards etc.)

- understand the mechanics of tech and biotic combos

- avoid "head in hands" situations (plenty of those described in this forum)

 

I have about 80 hours of ME MP experience so I will make no asumptions on when to advance to gold and platinum. If you seasoned players have any advice, it would be much appreciated.

 

On a personal note I've solo'ed bronze af few times and feel comfortable on silver with 3-4 character builds (unlocked half of them). I've also survived some gold runs without constantly bleeding out, but only because of some very capable/helpful/understanding/forgiving teammates. That should be an indicator that I'm not ready for gold yet.

 

Next for me: Practice cancel reloads. Get a mic for my PC.

[ClydeInTheShell]

There are countless barometers to use to determine when to move up. I always say that you just know. Getting through games without paying full attention, when the game slows down, when you get through super fast without dying or using rockets, are all valid measurements of readiness.

[JGDD]

You know you're ready for a tougher level when you're just too damn stubborn to give up.

 

Plus what Clyde said.

[The NightMan Cometh]

I would say you move up in difficulty depending on your comfort zone.. If you are very familiar with certain characters and weapon combos..go for it..Never hurts trying..unless it does wind up actually hurting..

 

I moved up in difficulty based on my ability to constantly top-score..no matter what character-weapon combo..and figuring out how to survive..without dying at least twice a game....I remember being on the bottom of the score board..just amazed at how much the top-scorer would do..and I would wonder how were they able to do that...Then I put in the time..and I figured it out.

 

When I finally moved into Gold.I knew I didnt want to be a huge burden on the team..so I learned cheese characters..like the Harrier-TGI..SilentStep & BlissGirl.. can attest to my scrubster ness when I first started...Its about being comfortable...

 

Soloing..can really help..especially getting into / putting yourself in horrible situations and figuring your way out of them that doesn't involve using missiles.

[Miniditka77]

I use a simple rule:  Move up to the next level when the level you're currently playing at isn't a challenge any more.  

 

Also, when you're moving up, you may want to use a character with some form of DR, in order to help "ease" yourself in to how much fire you can take on the new level.

[BloodBeforeTears]

When I was in your situation (and trust me, all of us were at some point), I would play silver when experimenting with builds and loadouts, or when I was low on decent consumables.  When I found something that worked pretty well and gained some decent consumables for that kit, I would up it to gold.  Once you have enough experience with a variety of kits, you should be able to play gold regularly, and let your consumables dictate your kit selection.  Platinum is different ballgame altogether.  You need pure DPS and a bit of survivability.  When I play platinum, I feel pigeon-holed into taking a smaller pool kits/weapons, since not doing so can lengthen the game considerably.

 

IMO, you should play the hardest difficulty that you can withstand - it will make you better.  You should be wiping every now and then.  If you never wipe, then you've clearly mastered the kit/faction/difficulty and should move up or laterally (try a different kit/weapon/build).

[BloodBeforeTears]

Another subtle indicator is your own personal camping tendencies.  If you find yourself frequently camping certain areas on certain maps, even when there's no enemies in the area, then you are probably not ready to move up.  Part of playing efficiently, IMO, is the ability to flow smoothly throughout the map, only stopping briefly at tactically advantageous locations to dispatch enemies.

[Deerber]

I played maybe 2 hours before jumping to gold, and it worked out alright... In the end

[Caineghis2500]

To put it short and simple, whenever you begin to handle your own without much help then you move up in difficulty...

[larsdt]

 

Thx for some very constructive advice all. Maybe its the emphasis on weapons/consumables from day 1 of the game that is the root of the problem. I certainly felt overwhelmed when seeing the manifest and thought this is gonna be a long haul before I get any of that gear to lvl 10. I guess that makes 2 kinds of players:

The ones you want to throw out the airlock; wants to cut corners and be carried through every wave to that holy credit chest.

Type 2 understands that the game actually rewards intelligent team play and try to support the team to the best of their ability, no matter how limited. This is supposed to be co-op afterall.

[HeroicMass]

Just do what Clyde did and have people drag you to higher difficulties until you are ready

[Caineghis2500]

Just do what Clyde did and have people drag you to higher difficulties until you are ready

tbh I don't think this method has ever failed. By far the best way to learn

[TMB903]

After playing this game for a while, there will come a time when everything will just "click" and you will know when it happens. Knowledge is supplemented by your weapons/powers/kits.

[Caineghis2500]

Type 2 understands that the game actually rewards intelligent team play and try to support the team to the best of their ability, no matter how limited. This is supposed to be co-op afterall.

Fair point but what will you do if you end up having to solo a wave because I can guarantee with 100% certainty that it will happen a couple times even more if yer playing with pugs.. It pays to learn some self sufficiency ya know?

[BloodBeforeTears]

Maybe its the emphasis on weapons/consumables from day 1 of the game that is the root of the problem.

 

That part is frustrating.  Recently started a new manifest on PC (about 70 hrs in), so I feel your pain.  FWIW, Reegar, Acolyte, Arc Pistol are the most OP rares - they are good even at level I.  Learn how to use them and you can be competitive, even on plat, w/ level III consumables.  Of course, those weapons aren't going to solve your problems, but they will at least help level the playing field.

[Terminator Force]

When you get bored.

[TMB903]

Fair point but what will you do if you end up having to solo a wave because I can guarantee with 100% certainty that it will happen a couple times even more if yer playing with pugs.. It pays to learn some self sufficiency ya know?

QFT. Personally, I attribute my progression as a player to PUGing. Playing with a lobby of friends is fun for the convos more than anything but it makes it a bit too easy. Playing with randoms, however, puts you in near constant situations where you either adapt or you die. After doing this a while you are prepared for anything. My 2 cents anyways...

[Caineghis2500]

I attribute my progression as a player to PUGing. Playing with a lobby of friends is fun for the convos more than anything but it makes it a bit too easy. Playing with randoms, however, puts you in near constant situations where you either adapt or you die. After doing this a while you are prepared for anything. My 2 cents anyways...

I agree. Playing with friends was more for chill and joking around for me personally but if I wanted a more serious challenge and learning under desperation moments, I'd pug or just solo something crazy.

 

Edit* I attribute the bulk of my progression to soloing with some side of PUGing 

[The NightMan Cometh]

Just PUG Platinum with a Jug , no consumables & an Omni-Blade mod

[Catastrophy]

You won't be ready for gold if you don't play it. Nor Platinum. It's the tiny game speed increase and you need to adapt to it. And I could only adapt by playing it. Of course kill speed helps tremendously - there'll always be that bit of "go faster" being required to handle it.

 

I'd say the capability to solo most of the waves in the current difficulty can be an indicator to step it up.

[afgncaap7]

I had a system back when I was new. If I could extract 3 times in a row on bronze then I'd move up to silver. If I could extract 3 times in a row on silver then I'd move up to gold. Etc, etc... I'd go back one difficulty for each failure.

As for general signs to look out for...
1. You eventually start relying more on right hand advantage and realize that the ability to stick to cover usually only exists to get you killed by banshees.
​2. You start running for ammo boxes on instinct rather than having to stop and think about where they are.
3. You become more conc​erned about the wave 10 objective and extraction seems like a bonus rather than a goal. There's been times that we've intentionally wiped after the wave 10 objective rather than risk a disconnect.
​4. One glance at your squad's formation gives you a pretty good idea of where the enemies will spawn at the start of a wave.
​5. You learn how to "safely" approach instant-kill enemies without getting grabbed.

[BloodBeforeTears]

1. You eventually start relying more on right hand advantage and realize that the ability to stick to cover usually only exists to get you killed by banshees.

 

True.  But on the other hand, hard cover offers DR if you have to take the hit.  It also seems that the DR reduces DoT damage after the fact (e.g. if you get warped by a banshee and then take cover).

[afgncaap7]

True.  But on the other hand, hard cover offers DR if you have to take the hit.  It also seems that the DR reduces DoT damage after the fact (e.g. if you get warped by a banshee and then take cover).

 

True. I'm just saying that you start relying on it less as you get more comfortable and you avoid it like the plague when a banshee gets close because you know that cover becomes 10x more magnetic when it's the absolute last thing you want to do at that moment.

[Black_Mage]

When you find Bronze boring, go to Silver.

When you find Silver boring, go to Gold.

[Alfonsedode]

Op, if u solo bronze stop wasting time there, maybe your gold ready. DOont make the mistake to protect your teamates too much and spend a lot of time on silver.

If u need op setup to score 50-80 k on gold, use them. Or wait to see if 2 seasoned player are in the lobby (cant be sure though)

Dont spend hundreds of hours on silver like me