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[Snowy-Ninja]

In the past with Origins and Awakenings the epilogue slides were changed, we could see it happen again which is kind of annoying but makes sense. Also we do not know how far into the future this happens. For one my Inquisitor romanced Cullen so she can't be having a happy life with him and their dog while searching for Solas, so I assumed this is a "what could happen after DA4 or the series is complete" thing. So I assumed it was the same for the Warden, after DA4 the warden is cured (and maybe Alistair and other wardens) and the Warden is living their life peacefully. Unless your Love Interest is dragged back into the game. 

 

But I also suspect they gave up on the warden finding the cure. I think this was something Bioware realized would be to big of a story to just happen in codex's. Think about it, a cure for the taint would have massive implications and benefits for all of Thedas, from curing Darkspawn to cleaning up red lyrium and possibly ending the blights. So I think Bioware decided this would be a story plot that the next hero would solve. 

[dsl08002]

I always knew it was going to be a bad explanation, i didnt know it was not going to be an explanation AT ALL

[Dai Grepher]

If the Hero has returned in a romanced Leliana worldstate then it is safe to conclude that every Hero has completed the cure quest by that time as well. The questions that remain are; when that actually was, if the quest was successful, and is Trespasser's epilogue correct or is it just another slapped together ending that will be overwritten just like the others?

[earthboyjak]

I have had a bad feeling about this HoF looking for a cure for the calling thing. Who else was looking for a cure for the calling? The Architect. And we've established that Magister darkspawn like Corypheus can jump not just into darkspawn bodies if they are killed; unlike arch demons, they can survive in Grey Warden bodies as well. This is probably insane, and has no hard evidence to back it up, but I have wondered if the Architect is behind the HoF's mission. If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then? And if you didn't kill the Architect, what if the Warden is somehow working toward his ends?  The Architect wanted to end the blights and the calling by affecting the old gods directly, but ended up causing the 5th Blight instead. How else would one hope to end the calling, before the last two anticipated Blights occur, except by venturing underground and taking the issue to the old gods directly, as the Architect tried to do? This is also essentially the plan that the Wardens of Orlais had when Corypheus freaked them out with his false calling.

 

Again, I know it's an unsubstantiated theory, but I wonder if the HoF will become a problematic entity later.

[ModernAcademic]

I have had a bad feeling about this HoF looking for a cure for the calling thing. Who else was looking for a cure for the calling? The Architect. And we've established that Magister darkspawn like Corypheus can jump not just into darkspawn bodies if they are killed; unlike arch demons, they can survive in Grey Warden bodies as well. This is probably insane, and has no hard evidence to back it up, but I have wondered if the Architect is behind the HoF's mission. If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then? And if you didn't kill the Architect, what if the Warden is somehow working toward his ends?  The Architect wanted to end the blights and the calling by affecting the old gods directly, but ended up causing the 5th Blight instead. How else would one hope to end the calling, before the last two anticipated Blights occur, except by venturing underground and taking the issue to the old gods directly, as the Architect tried to do? This is also essentially the plan that the Wardens of Orlais had when Corypheus freaked them out with his false calling.

 

Again, I know it's an unsubstantiated theory, but I wonder if the HoF will become a problematic entity later.

 

That's a great theory - assuming the Architect is one of the ancient magisters, something I'm a bit skeptical about, since he has no memory of ever being one - and could turn the HoF in one of the main villains of DA4. This would actually be quite the plot twist.

 

I hope the devs do read the Forum, because once in a while, the players usually have some good ideas.

[SicSemper T Rex]

This is probably insane, and has no hard evidence to back it up, but I have wondered if the Architect is behind the HoF's mission. If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then? 

Considering we had full control over our Wardens in post-Awakening content like Witch Hunt, we probably don't have to worry about that. I don't think Architect would care about having a tearful reunion with Morrigan for example.

[CDR Aedan Cousland]

Even if the Architect could switch bodies, chances are it'd be easier for him to jump into a dead or weakened Warden than a live, healthy one. In this case, it'd be Utha.

Either way, Bioware likely wouldn't be so dickish as to take our own characters and butcher them in such a drastic way. I'm content to leave my HoF's life and goings on ambiguous if it means not having unpleasant or out-of-character canon forced upon him.

[Chappy]

In the past with Origins and Awakenings the epilogue slides were changed, we could see it happen again which is kind of annoying but makes sense. Also we do not know how far into the future this happens. For one my Inquisitor romanced Cullen so she can't be having a happy life with him and their dog while searching for Solas, so I assumed this is a "what could happen after DA4 or the series is complete" thing. So I assumed it was the same for the Warden, after DA4 the warden is cured (and maybe Alistair and other wardens) and the Warden is living their life peacefully. Unless your Love Interest is dragged back into the game. 

 

But I also suspect they gave up on the warden finding the cure. I think this was something Bioware realized would be to big of a story to just happen in codex's. Think about it, a cure for the taint would have massive implications and benefits for all of Thedas, from curing Darkspawn to cleaning up red lyrium and possibly ending the blights. So I think Bioware decided this would be a story plot that the next hero would solve. 

 

why have I never thought of this? 

 

I have had a bad feeling about this HoF looking for a cure for the calling thing. Who else was looking for a cure for the calling? The Architect. And we've established that Magister darkspawn like Corypheus can jump not just into darkspawn bodies if they are killed; unlike arch demons, they can survive in Grey Warden bodies as well. This is probably insane, and has no hard evidence to back it up, but I have wondered if the Architect is behind the HoF's mission. If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then? And if you didn't kill the Architect, what if the Warden is somehow working toward his ends?  The Architect wanted to end the blights and the calling by affecting the old gods directly, but ended up causing the 5th Blight instead. How else would one hope to end the calling, before the last two anticipated Blights occur, except by venturing underground and taking the issue to the old gods directly, as the Architect tried to do? This is also essentially the plan that the Wardens of Orlais had when Corypheus freaked them out with his false calling.

 

Again, I know it's an unsubstantiated theory, but I wonder if the HoF will become a problematic entity later.

 

A really interesting theory and would be good plot twist.

 

 

 

"I have determined to find a way to negate this calling and save all wardens from its effects". 

 

What If the HoF discovered the cure and finds out that you have to... for example kill someone or you need a living sacrifice. Or the cure may need blood magic to work. Or something very unethical. But he/or she Is determined to stop this curse. And that is when he/she becomes new enemy to our protagonist.

 

I think Fiona has some skeletons In the closet.. she Is hiding something very dangerous.   

 

 

I dunno..I`m not very good at this

[diaspora2k5]

In the past with Origins and Awakenings the epilogue slides were changed, we could see it happen again which is kind of annoying but makes sense. Also we do not know how far into the future this happens. For one my Inquisitor romanced Cullen so she can't be having a happy life with him and their dog while searching for Solas, so I assumed this is a "what could happen after DA4 or the series is complete" thing. So I assumed it was the same for the Warden, after DA4 the warden is cured (and maybe Alistair and other wardens) and the Warden is living their life peacefully. Unless your Love Interest is dragged back into the game. 

 

But I also suspect they gave up on the warden finding the cure. I think this was something Bioware realized would be to big of a story to just happen in codex's. Think about it, a cure for the taint would have massive implications and benefits for all of Thedas, from curing Darkspawn to cleaning up red lyrium and possibly ending the blights. So I think Bioware decided this would be a story plot that the next hero would solve. 

The cure doesn't need to have a big impact. The joining itself offers temporary blight resistance but is also likely to actually kill you first, if the "cure" is as if not more lethal than the joining, it'd be possible for the Warden/ Weisshaupt to actually have/discover a cure without it honestly being a big deal.

[Nixou]

If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then?

 

 

That would make for a shockingly awesome twist (plus, no one could complain about the Warden acting OOC here), but I fear the writers won't dare to pull that one.

 

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The cure doesn't need to have a big impact.

 

The potential for a cure will be important because the taint can infect Lyrium: if it's possible to cure Grey Wardens, it may be possible to also revert red Lyrium back to it's normal blueish state. And since it's heavily hinted that a huge mass of tainted Lyrium is the root cause of everything's that's been going wrong in Thedas for the last few millenia, curing the taint may have Titanesque (wink-wink) implications.

[Reika]

I will admit, I was one of the people that was ticked off about the HoF going in search of a cure for the calling. My HNF would've been too busy helping her husband rebuild her country, not to mention smacking the Ferelden Wardens into shape. She wouldn't have needed to a disappearing act to tell the Chantry what it could with itself if they wanted her to run the Inquisition.

 

My Tabris would be busy enough riding herd on the Ferelden Wardens and her response to the Chantry probably would've made Sera blush.

 

Neither one would've run off to try to find a mythical cure, if anything they would've been doing all that they could to keep their people from joining the Orlesians in their insanity. Not to mention getting highly suspicious of all the Wardens suddenly hearing the Calling. If anything, they would've organized searches to see if one of the Architect's disciples was alive and up to even more not good than their very dead leader.

 

As for the Architect, I do believe he may have been one of the magisters, he just had different abilities than Cory.

[diaspora2k5]

 

That would make for a shockingly awesome twist (plus, no one could complain about the Warden acting OOC here), but I fear the writers won't dare to pull that one.

 

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The potential for a cure will be important because the taint can infect Lyrium: if it's possible to cure Grey Wardens, it may be possible to also revert red Lyrium back to it's normal blueish state. And since it's heavily hinted that a huge mass of tainted Lyrium is the root cause of everything's that's been going wrong in Thedas for the last few millenia, curing the taint may have Titanesque (wink-wink) implications.

 

There's potential for it to be a big deal, but it doesn't have to be, which was the point I'm getting at. If it only works on a fraction of people who try, it wouldn't be that important at all. Merrill purged corruption from the eluvian in DA2 and nobody in Thedas gave a f.

[myahele]

Fiona was a Elvhen Mage, so it makes sense that she'd get cured. Especially since she was carrying a child with dragon blood for a good 9 months

[Cyrus Amell]

The Warden's disappearance, reappearance (in some slides), and subsequent activities seem to be linked to the turmoil occurring within the Grey Wardens. Over the course of 2 games we have been receiving conflicting reports on what is happening to the order. First some political upheaval, a civil war, some trouble that Hawke is involved in and now huge hints about the possible return of the griffons (Flemeth's influence no doubt) leave one with only speculation as to their role in the next Dragon Age Game. 

 

If the player in the next game is a Grey Warden, we shall no doubt be bombarded with answers in the beginning. If not, then we shall have to uncover this secret (and the allegiance of the Grey Wardens no doubt) over the course of the next game. 

 

As for the Hero of Fereldan, I find it very possible that he or she found a cure. It may not be perfect, but many things point to this occurring.

[Aren]

Mmm. I enjoy heist stories and fiction in general far too much to consider such people 'evil' without being a hypocrite. The development and execution of a plan. The skills, the equipment, the courage. Applied problem solving. Independent thinking. Don't you think there's a great beauty to it all? Those are such admirable qualities, I can't dislike criminals who embrace them so thoroughly. 

Criminals still remains criminals despite all the lovely beauty of their sinister plans and their devious minds,i enjoy when these type of devious characters despite all their cleverness , fail and get punished as it should be.

[Nixou]

The Warden's disappearance, reappearance (in some slides), and subsequent activities seem to be linked to the turmoil occurring within the Grey Wardens. Over the course of 2 games we have been receiving conflicting reports on what is happening to the order. First some political upheaval, a civil war, some trouble that Hawke is involved in and now huge hints about the possible return of the griffons (Flemeth's influence no doubt) leave one with only speculation as to their role in the next Dragon Age Game. 

 

If the player in the next game is a Grey Warden, we shall no doubt be bombarded with answers in the beginning. If not, then we shall have to uncover this secret (and the allegiance of the Grey Wardens no doubt) over the course of the next game. 

 

As for the Hero of Fereldan, I find it very possible that he or she found a cure. It may not be perfect, but many things point to this occurring. 

 

While I'm pretty sure that we're far from seeing the last of the Grey Wardens, I wouldn't bet on them playing a big role in the next Dragon Age: the writers will have their hands full with the Qunari/Tevinter conflict and whatever Solas' cooking.

[Aren]

Now,Now i wish to return on topic 5 words.

The

Warden

story

is 

Over

[diaspora2k5]

 

Now,Now i wish to return on topic 5 words.

The

Warden

story

is 

Over

 

Agreed. Mine is happily retired on a small house near the waking sea.

[Cyrus Amell]

The Warden's story would be over either way because it has been about 15 years since the end of Origins. Either the Calling is still an issue and his or her days are numbered or the Calling is not an issue anymore and he or she pulls a Fiona and walks away after getting bored of killing darkspawn. Let's be frank, after the Descent I am sure everyone is bored of killing darkspawn. 

 

I'll just pretend my Warden and Morrigan retired to a secluded hamlet near Serault where they can raise Kieran to use his magic, maybe occasionally helping the local Marquise maintain stability in the region. Bioware need not intrude - in fact, after taking the Old God Soul from Kieran they really do not have to. 

[Dai Grepher]

I have had a bad feeling about this HoF looking for a cure for the calling thing. Who else was looking for a cure for the calling? The Architect. And we've established that Magister darkspawn like Corypheus can jump not just into darkspawn bodies if they are killed; unlike arch demons, they can survive in Grey Warden bodies as well. This is probably insane, and has no hard evidence to back it up, but I have wondered if the Architect is behind the HoF's mission. If you killed him, what if he jumped into the Warden's body, and has had control of him since then? And if you didn't kill the Architect, what if the Warden is somehow working toward his ends?  The Architect wanted to end the blights and the calling by affecting the old gods directly, but ended up causing the 5th Blight instead. How else would one hope to end the calling, before the last two anticipated Blights occur, except by venturing underground and taking the issue to the old gods directly, as the Architect tried to do? This is also essentially the plan that the Wardens of Orlais had when Corypheus freaked them out with his false calling.

 

Again, I know it's an unsubstantiated theory, but I wonder if the HoF will become a problematic entity later.

 

If the Architect could have controlled the actions of Wardens, then he would have done so at Vigil's Keep or when confronting the Hero.

 

The Hero also leaves the area to go back to doing what he or she wants. It isn't until some time after Witch Hunt that the Hero leaves to find the cure. And Morrigan confirms that it was she who set the Hero on that path by providing information about it.

[Dai Grepher]

Fiona was a Elvhen Mage, so it makes sense that she'd get cured. Especially since she was carrying a child with dragon blood for a good 9 months

 

Yet the actual child can become tainted?
 

[Reika]

The thing with Fiona happened before she boffed Marric and got pregnant.

[Arshei]

The cure removes the "Warden powers"

For that our hero of ferelden stays with Leliana and not command anymore the wardens. (i guess)

[Lumix19]

All others who had the amulet (except for Duncan, who had a magic dagger to counter the amulet) died or became Super Ghouls and died later (except Utha).

What made Fiona different?
-Mage
-Elf
-Had sex with Marric, the king with dragon blood in his veins, and bore a son who also has dragon blood in his veins.

Did any of those things "cure" the Calling? I don't know, but the Origins Warden could be an elf mage who romances Alistair, but she would still have an issue with the Calling... so... I guess Fiona was just special?

People focus on her relationship with Maric too much, I doubt it had anything to do with her cure. And if it did it's probably because he was taking those potions.
Didn't she also get blasted by some blight magic during the fight at the tower (I can't recall if it was Remille or the Architect)? That probably had much more to do with it (combined with the amulet) rather than Maric.

[MrMrPendragon]

Well wouldn't it be so great if the Warden cured the calling off-screen....

 

I don't want the whole First Warden/Calling angle without the Warden because that makes no sense. A threat to the very order of Grey Wardens - conspiracy, forbidden magic, blight...thingies - and yet for some inexplicable yet very headcanon-friendly reason, the Warden isn't there!

 

There are a sh*t ton of unanswered questions when it comes to the Warden and his journeys, but obviously preserving headcanon is priority so f*ck your curiosity.

 

I don't want the Warden showing up because he/she's retired in a house built with mostly wood and brick somewhere in Ferelden sipping tea and going fishing every Friday. It doesn't really matter if you want the Warden back because I don't want him/her to come back so there.