While talking to Bull you learn the Qunari came from the Kossith, then goes on to say they most likely don't look like Qunari. I just wonder if we've ever seen one. An if this could explain why um certain "Qunari" cough cough don't look like Qunari.
Any thoughts?
Back in DAO this was the generic name for the species of humanoids with horns. Qun and qunari was meant to refer specifically to those who followed the Qun. Then in DA2 this was changed so that there are Qunari who follow the Qun and qunari who are Tal-Vashoth, having left the Qun. So Kossith now refers to the race when they lived over the sea. Those who came to Par Vollen were all members of the Qun. Whether they were forced to leave by others who objected to their religion or whether there was some disaster that forced them to flee their original homeland has never been revealed. There was a group who landed in southern Thedas at a much earlier era than the occupation of Par Vollen. Whether they were Qun or Kossith is unclear but I think they all died (can't remember what killed them). However, it could be the female members of this group who ended up being the broodmothers for Ogre darkspawn because if they had been kidnapped from the Qun they would know about darkspawn and not have to send Sten to research the matter.
Iron Bull talks about the Qun dabbling with putting dragon blood into their race but I seriously doubt that unless that was connected with the decision to leave their homeland. Still it would seem that is thought to be the reason for their tougher, grey skin and horns. The hornless qunari are just a hybrid version, just as you have some cattle with horns and some that are polled but both must derive from a common ancestor.
Back in DAO this was the generic name for the species of humanoids with horns. Qun and qunari was meant to refer specifically to those who followed the Qun. Then in DA2 this was changed so that there are Qunari who follow the Qun and qunari who are Tal-Vashoth, having left the Qun. So Kossith now refers to the race when they lived over the sea. Those who came to Par Vollen were all members of the Qun. Whether they were forced to leave by others who objected to their religion or whether there was some disaster that forced them to flee their original homeland has never been revealed. There was a group who landed in southern Thedas at a much earlier era than the occupation of Par Vollen. Whether they were Qun or Kossith is unclear but I think they all died (can't remember what killed them). However, it could be the female members of this group who ended up being the broodmothers for Ogre darkspawn because if they had been kidnapped from the Qun they would know about darkspawn and not have to send Sten to research the matter.
Well, to be precise, the Arishok didn't ask what is a Darkspawn, he asked what is the Blight. Sten was there to get info on the Blight, not nescessarily individual Darkspawn. A techicality, sure, but the Qunari are known for being precise in their meanings. Also, Tal-Vashoth wasn't a DA 2 invention, Sten mentions them in Origins.
Back in DAO this was the generic name for the species of humanoids with horns. Qun and qunari was meant to refer specifically to those who followed the Qun. Then in DA2 this was changed so that there are Qunari who follow the Qun and qunari who are Tal-Vashoth, having left the Qun. So Kossith now refers to the race when they lived over the sea. Those who came to Par Vollen were all members of the Qun. Whether they were forced to leave by others who objected to their religion or whether there was some disaster that forced them to flee their original homeland has never been revealed. There was a group who landed in southern Thedas at a much earlier era than the occupation of Par Vollen. Whether they were Qun or Kossith is unclear but I think they all died (can't remember what killed them). However, it could be the female members of this group who ended up being the broodmothers for Ogre darkspawn because if they had been kidnapped from the Qun they would know about darkspawn and not have to send Sten to research the matter.
Iron Bull talks about the Qun dabbling with putting dragon blood into their race but I seriously doubt that unless that was connected with the decision to leave their homeland. Still it would seem that is thought to be the reason for their tougher, grey skin and horns. The hornless qunari are just a hybrid version, just as you have some cattle with horns and some that are polled but both must derive from a common ancestor.
Ok so none of that answers my question. Lol as I said Bull says that the Koosith are what the Qunari come from those who loved before the Qun even existed. So I was thinking that maybe this is what Stent is a Koosith because Bull says they most likely don't look like Qunari an Stent doesn't look like a Qunari.
Bull never uses the word kossith. We don't even know what one is - it could refer to a pre-Qunari culture as much as a race.
He does use the word Koosith thanks I wouldn't have said it if he didn't I just got done speaking to him lol.
Once in Skyhold you can go talk to him an ask hint about the Qunari. From there he will ask you what you want to know. An you can ask him about who came before the Qunari before the Qun an he says the Koosith did. He goes on to say the but for some reason the Qunari had to leave, but doesn't know much about it but he think that the Koosith most likely look nothing like the Qunari.
So Yes he did say Koosith
An yes the Are Pre Qun race or culture They aren't pre-qunari since they are not Qunari. BOOM
I believe that the Kossith looked the same as the Qunari/Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth look today. Bull said that because of what he was taught. They are the race without a name because their race was a mistake, just as Corypheus said. I believe they were created by the ancient Tevinter magisters by crossing dragon traits with elven slaves meant to be super soldiers serving under Tevinter. I believe they rebelled and escaped eventually forming tribes. Being created for war they were always giving in to their primal nature and fighting themselves and other races. Then one intelligent Kossith sought to reign in the primal urges of his people and create a functioning society and that was when Ashkaari Koslun wrote the Qun. There is probably a reason why the Qunari and Tevinter seem to have this ancient blood feud. I believe this is why.
In Par-Vollen, in the ancient pyramids and ruins, there are paintings of being that look exactly like the Qunari, so they were there at some point. It's even possible that Par-Vollen was the ritual site where they were created, but then left or maybe they were driven out by Tevinter.
However, since they do not percieve the pocket realms as colourful places like Sera does for example, there is a possible problem with them being related to elves in some way. But, who knows.
I believe that the Kossith looked the same as the Qunari/Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth look today. Bull said that because of what he was taught. They are the race without a name because their race was a mistake, just as Corypheus said. I believe they were created by the ancient Tevinter magisters by crossing dragon traits with elven slaves meant to be super soldiers serving under Tevinter. I believe they rebelled and escaped eventually forming tribes. Being created for war they were always giving in to their primal nature and fighting themselves and other races. Then one intelligent Kossith sought to reign in the primal urges of his people and create a functioning society and that was when Ashkaari Koslun wrote the Qun. There is probably a reason why the Qunari and Tevinter seem to have this ancient blood feud. I believe this is why.
Very Awesome very respectable. Though just so you know all I imagined when I read this was the Lord of the Rings scene where Saruman started breeding Uruki lol An I placed Cory in Sarumans place lol.
But very very interesting theory.
In Par-Vollen, in the ancient pyramids and ruins, there are paintings of being that look exactly like the Qunari, so they were there at some point. It's even possible that Par-Vollen was the ritual site where they were created, but then left or maybe they were driven out by Tevinter.
However, since they do not percieve the pocket realms as colourful places like Sera does for example, there is a possible problem with them being related to elves in some way. But, who knows.
hmmmmmmm interesting. I could see the, being related to elves from Captmorgans theory on how they are just cross breed experiments with elves an dragons blood.
First ogres yes, but not the the ones during the blights after the qunari arrived to Thedas.
What?
hmmmmmmm interesting. I could see the, being related to elves from Captmorgans theory on how they are just cross breed experiments with elves an dragons blood.
It is plausible. So many of the theories going around these forums depend on what we laern in Tevinter. DA 4 can't come soon enough 
He does use the word Koosith thanks I wouldn't have said it if he didn't I just got done speaking to him lol.
Once in Skyhold you can go talk to him an ask hint about the Qunari. From there he will ask you what you want to know. An you can ask him about who came before the Qunari before the Qun an he says the Koosith did. He goes on to say the but for some reason the Qunari had to leave, but doesn't know much about it but he think that the Koosith most likely look nothing like the Qunari.
So Yes he did say Koosith
An yes the Are Pre Qun race or culture They aren't pre-qunari since they are not Qunari. BOOM
The Qunari "came down to the south" according to bull and they look nothing like Qunari according to Bull. We don't know if this is something Bull is told or something that is true.
If the Kossith are not the scaled ones I think they (the kossith) are whatever the Qunari are supposed to be, the Qunari are described as a mistake by Cory and that "their blood doesn't belong to them" by Kieran and that he's sorry for what happened to them. Which lends credence to the idea that the Qunari are a failed experiment. I think the Kossith wanted rid of the failures that the Qunari are and so the Qunari had to go south to escape the Kossith.
On the other hand I think the Kossith could also be a by product of the scaled ones. Reptile people would be closely related to dragons, Qunari are very dragon like (with elf features) and perhaps some Tevinter Magister thought it would be a fantastic idea to breed the scaled ones and elves to create the Qunari. The successfull creations were the Kossith, the failures were the Qunari. Both escaped and went north, then as I said above the Kossith for whatever reason started to push the Qunari out and possibly went to war.
*shrugs* but that would be crazy.
[edit] to answer your question Maybe. We might have seen a Kossith I think. Koslun (the guy who created the Qun) was a Kossith.
It is plausible. So many of the theories going around these forums depend on what we laern in Tevinter. DA 4 can't come soon enough
Yea for sure we have so many therioes its cra cra lol. An I feels you I want DA4 bad to lol even just some concept art would be nice lol. Dammit it ill take anything at this point lol. Its been a year to hopefully we see something sometime soon in matters of concept or something.
hopefully with it being in Tevinter we also get to learn more about magic. An I hope really really hope we get to see another Blight Magister omg.
Welp, I was probably drunk for that conversation. My bad.
I don't care about your drinking habits you weirdo.
I don't care about your drinking habits you weirdo.
The Qunari "came down to the south" according to bull and they look nothing like Qunari according to Bull. We don't know if this is something Bull is told or something that is true.
If the Kossith are not the scaled ones I think they (the kossith) are whatever the Qunari are supposed to be, the Qunari are described as a mistake by Cory and that "their blood doesn't belong to them" by Kieran and that he's sorry for what happened to them. Which lends credence to the idea that the Qunari are a failed experiment. I think the Kossith wanted rid of the failures that the Qunari are and so the Qunari had to go south to escape the Kossith.
On the other hand I think the Kossith could also be a by product of the scaled ones. Reptile people would be closely related to dragons, Qunari are very dragon like (with elf features) and perhaps some Tevinter Magister thought it would be a fantastic idea to breed the scaled ones and elves to create the Qunari. The successfull creations were the Kossith, the failures were the Qunari. Both escaped and went north, then as I said above the Kossith for whatever reason started to push the Qunari out and possibly went to war.
*shrugs* but that would be crazy.
[edit] to answer your question Maybe. We might have seen a Kossith I think. Koslun (the guy who created the Qun) was a Kossith.
Very awesome theories coming form the cross breed thing is awesome.
I do love the idea of the Koosith and Qunari being a fairly new race to the world I just think that would be a awesome thing to figure out.
I like the theory of the Koosith being the successful experiment and the Qunari not an maybe they were all pushed out instead of escaped because the Tevinter scraped the idea once they say that Qunari could be a by product they didn't want to deal with. So maybe the Kooisth hated them for that reason idk I'm just saying crap. Hopefully we learn more in the next game.
I love theories
That's what they all say, and I always prove them wrong.
*stumbles back to Drinkquisition thread*
Bye drunkie.
I find the fascination with this word fascinating but tedious
I find the fascination with this word fascinating but tedious
Not really sure how that adds to the topic at hand but good for you.
Personally I do think that there is some sort of connection between Qunari (and possibly Kossith) and Dragons. The Qunari as a whole seem fascinated/reverent of Dragons and Iron Bull is able to access powers that are really similar to a Reaver without drinking Dragon blood.
What?
How do you not get that? Or did you miss I didn't quote you but I quoted someone else?
I quoted a post that said that ogres are born out of kossith broodmothers
This:
That is only partially true because after the Qunari arrived on Thedas, the darkspawn got their hands on female qunari instead. The wiki page about ogres he sourced says this: "Ogres are born from broodmothers who were once female Qunari."
The Qunari arrived in 6th age, the fifth blight happened in the 9th age, 300 years later.
So unless ogres live 300+ years, the ogres you see in Origins aren't born from female kossiths, but female qunaris instead. So no, we most likely haven't seen sort-of kossith as Skuid suggests.
Do you get it now?
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