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Is Sera part of the Ancient Elvhen people?


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#76
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I'm Andraste, deal with it.

I feel bad for you actully, but if it makes you happy, whatever right? Maria and Andraste "I got raped by god" are not exactly what I would like to be. Satan's ****** on the other hand seems fun, does Corypheus have a harem or something like that?



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I for one am a Sera is Andruil believer, for me persoanlly there is just too much evidence, circumstantial or not. The real question for me is, is Sera the "actual" Andruil who had her memory wiped by Mythal or like Flemeth just a vessel for Andruil soul.

For the 112798717317 time. Andruil is locked away. There is far more evidence that she has the ablity who to use magic but refuses to because she hates and fears magic. Sera is sera, and making her Andruil or a vessel or anything else would be horrible writing and pandering when there is no evidence.


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I definitely feel like there's more to Sera than we learn in game. I bought into the Andruil theories at first just out of excitement but I don't think it's true anymore. But I definitely think there's some secret about her past or her nature that we could see revealed in the future. I expect the red jennies to get a mention in DA4. There's just too much opportunity for their storyline to mix in Tevinter not to.

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Andruil also was associated with the Void 

 

Remember a theory years ago that it was Fen'harel who created the veil?


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Sera HATES and FEARS magic. It makes far more sense she has magic ability that she refuses to use and hides because of that.

Yes, it would fit much better with the writing if this was the case. Sera and Solas' banter is all about it, and it would be a great case of cruel irony. Also, Saarath in Trespasser proves magic can manifest long after childhood.



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Andruil also was associated with the Void 

 

The void is a staircase now? Might want to re-look at Sera's Tarot Card :P

 

There is no thematic significance between the fool one and the Sera one. The Fool is depicted carelessly walking off a cliff, Sera is depicted standing proudly/defiantly on Skyhold's battlements looking at what seems to be either the keep's main entrance with Viv's balcony or possibly the Inquisitor's Tower/Chambers. 



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This is IT all over again, isn't it? :(


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For the 112798717317 time. Andruil is locked away. There is far more evidence that she has the ablity who to use magic but refuses to because she hates and fears magic. Sera is sera, and making her Andruil or a vessel or anything else would be horrible writing and pandering when there is no evidence.

You gave me a cool thought. I'd really like to see a mage in DA4 who doesn't use the mage skill tree, because they perhaps aren't trained almost at all, or their magic manifested recently, after they had trained in another fighting style. Instead, they are an archer, or some other non-mage class, but their character-tree has subtle magical abilities, like magically-enhanced arrows (just off the top of my head). That would also give Bioware an excuse to have some ridiculous abilities for a non-mage. Well... even more ridiculous :P

 

Come to think of it, it would be a bit like Fenris. I don't know why, I just love the idea of a mage who is a multi-classer, like Gandalf. I thought scout Grandin from JoH was interesting. Not to mention a "staff" could be any magically charged object... like a sword or dagger or bow... Anyway, side-tangent over  :lol: 

 

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Andruil also was associated with the Void 

Or maybe Sera's just a fool. Not everyone in the Inquisition needs to be something they don't appear to be.



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This is IT all over again, isn't it? :(

 

Ugh. Seems so.


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This is IT all over again, isn't it? :(

Not even comparable. IT was awesome, and had a lot more going for it that this. Also, am I the only one who noticed the Inquisitor on their quarters' balcony in that picture?

 

Edit: Aww, come on people. You're making me sad :(



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Guys, I would appreciate if the posts remain productive instead of:

 

"Sera is definitely Andruil, if you don't think so, you're stupid."

 

"Sera is definitely not Andruil, if you think she is, you're stupid."


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And here I was about to tell all those tinfoilers to go stuff it.

 

Oh, whatever.

 

Go stuff it!



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So, a few things that could make this plausible.

 

1. The story of Andruil going mad and forgetting who she was.  Early in the game, the Inquisitor has the option of calling Sera "crazy" on a number of occasions

2. She is an expert with a bow, yet has no formal training

3. If Solas is romanced, Sera will tease the inquisitor about it if you take Sera and Solas out.  Solas will apologizeto the Inquisitor and explain that Sera is "apart from herself".

 

I don't know what to think, though. Having TWO Elvhen gods as companions seems like it would be overkill on the part of the writers to me.



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Guys, I would appreciate if the posts remain productive instead of:

 

"Sera is definitely Andruil, if you don't think so, you're stupid."

 

"Sera is definitely not Andruil, if you think she is, you're stupid."

If the pro Andruil crowd could create a proper argument that was not reaching it would not be ridiculed. As bad as IT was, at least there was a some solid evidence. Sera being Andruil would simply ruin her for me and what was her point, and that was for an elven character to NOT be defined by their race. Even Zev and Fenris have some "elfy" bits now and then. Sera does not. She was a unique character because of her hatred of being elfy and her fear of magic. Her having the ability to use magic  would just make her even better where her being Andruil would just ruin the character and just be horrible bad writing that would ruin the whole point of the eleven gods being locked up.


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As bad as IT was, at least there was a some solid evidence.

:crying:



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Could someone just ask one of the developers about this?? Not that I believe Sera is Andruil, of which I'm positive she's not, I just want this theory to be put to rest and move on along.

Or are we afraid the developers will reply with a 'SPOILERS' and thus give people more reason to think there's more to our crazy little elf? Won't know til we ask them.



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From a writing perspective the point of Sera being Andruil is ...there's no point.

We got Solas because they wanted us to know him better before blablabla , it was always him but he was lying.

 

Now what's the point of having Andruil froclicking around saving peasents?

Andruil was a noble who was hunting other elves for fun and sports, she hunted Fen Harel and caught him and basically wanted to rape him ...

 

So first you have to change your tune about the Evanuris being trapped , and explain why or how Andruil escaped her fate.

Then you have to explain why Solas who really can't stand them walks around with Sera/Andruil , and don't notice it , and just let it happen.Later he'll say "Duh" one of many.

Then Mythal also being clueless , when  she wants to probably torture them .

Then you have to explain Andruil complete change of personality , yes Sera has a bow , but Sera isn't a hunter , Sera has no patience , she pranks people.

Then you'll have to give Sera/Andruil a goal , because this was all dumb luck and you had two elven gods in the Inquisition ,it is really sloppy writing.

So why would Andruil just walks around , eating all the food , pranking people , getting married to Inqui , stealing stuff for her cabinet of wonder , baking cookies....?

 

The whole but Sera doesn't know Andruil is there , well if it's just to say "Hey Guys Sera had Andruil inside her , Woaw!"

There's like no point at all , and then you have to give explanation on the how it happened.

So why would any writer would bother with that?


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:crying:

I remember when you had your banshee avatar and everything ;)



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From a writing perspective the point of Sera being Andruil is ...there's no point.

We got Solas because they wanted us to know him better before blablabla , it was always him but he was lying.

 

Now what's the point of having Andruil froclicking around saving peasents?

Andruil was a noble who was hunting other elves for fun and sports, she hunted Fen Harel and caught him and basically wanted to rape him ...

 

So first you have to change your tune about the Evanuris being trapped , and explain why or how Andruil escaped her fate.

Then you have to explain why Solas who really can't stand them walks around with Sera/Andruil , and don't notice it , and just let it happen.Later he'll say "Duh" one of many.

Then Mythal also being clueless , when  she wants to probably torture them .

Then you have to explain Andruil complete change of personality , yes Sera has a bow , but Sera isn't a hunter , Sera has no patience , she pranks people.

Then you'll have to give Sera/Andruil a goal , because this was all dumb luck and you had two elven gods in the Inquisition ,it is really sloppy writing.

So why would Andruil just walks around , eating all the food , pranking people , getting married to Inqui , stealing stuff for her cabinet of wonder , baking cookies....?

 

The whole but Sera doesn't know Andruil is there , well if it's just to say "Hey Guys Sera had Andruil inside her , Woaw!"

There's like no point at all , and then you have to give explanation on the how it happened.

So why would any writer would bother with that?

 

A writer could explain those things if that's the story they want to tell, just look at Solas or Revan, but there isn't even a hint of that being the case in DAI or any of it's dlc . A theory that's based on tarot card art work that looks a bit like Andruil's symbol if you squint at it and some dialogue that can easily mean something else isn't really much of a theory. It's more of a 'wouldn't it be cool if' idea. 



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1) Fen'Harel was a force of balance. He chosed to not help any of the god-like entities from the elven pantheon, be them The Forgotten Ones or the good entities. Because of his neutrality, he could interact with both entity groups, but neighter didn't really liked him because he would refuse to offer support.

2)Because the war between The Elven Gods and The Forgotten Ones was destroying the balance of the world and the world itself, Fen'Harel tricks The Elven Gods and uses their essence to create The Veil and to imprison The Forgotten Ones.

3)Fen'Harel isn't one entity, but the ancient name of a race or at least a group.Dragons are actually Fen'Harel - more preciselly Flemeth and The Old Gods.Their role is to prevent the escape of the dark entity/entities that lie in The Black City. The Old Gods play the role of The Seals and Flemeth is their guardian. 

 

This is just one of many old theories that believed Fen'harel created the veil and the only "proof" they had was that he locked them up one way or another. There are others, but I don't feel like digging through it.
 

You may not like Sera = Andruil, but there is still some connection, certainly more connection than Fen'harel creating the veil based on the info we had in DAO- DA2

 

It's ultimately up the the writers and how they choose to explain why, where and how ___ is x



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This is just one of many old theories that believed Fen'harel created the veil and the only "proof" they had was that he locked them up one way or another. There are others, but I don't feel like digging through it.

 

It's called throwing enough shyte at the wall until something sticks. Notice they also said Fen;Harel wasn't a person but a group of dragons, that he was some sort of mythical true neutral entity keeping balance for its own sake etc etc...

 

 

You may not like Sera = Andruil, but there is still some connection, certainly more connection than Fen'harel creating the veil based on the info we had in DAO- DA2

 

It's ultimately up the the writers and how they choose to explain why, where and how ___ is x

 

And Blackwall is the reincarnation of Garahel, there's plenty of proof, certainly more then Fen'Harel the Veil or Sera/Andruil. Really you'll see, it's just a matter of waiting for the writers to explain the why/where/how  :ph34r:

 

That one theory out of a tonne of tinfoils that were churned out at the time happened to be broadly correct in retrospect after you ignore all the ways it was also wrong, doesn't mean that an unrelated tinfoil on a different subject is by extension perfectly legitimate or even anywhere near close to being correct. 


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Sera was a child at one point in the past. She recounts being a kid during the Blight, playing with painted boxes (lol), and she was taken in by Lady Emmauld. So if she is Andruil, it's because she's an OGB. She doesn't remember her parents, but she does remember the alienage, which I assume is the Denerim one (the only other Ferelden one I know of is in Highever).

 

Based on her apparent age, she was born some time between 9:15 and 9:25. She wasn't living in the alienage when Emmauld took her in. Based on taking her to Adamant, her fear is the Nothing. A reference to the Void maybe? Could be more proof for the theory since Andruil was connected to the void somehow.


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That reminds me, Garahel was a City Elf and "defeated" Andoral. 

 

It's rumored that Old Gods are actually the Evanuris or atleast a piece of their soul and especially since Andoral sounds like Andruil  :ph34r:



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Not every named elven character in this game has to be a special something.

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It's rumored that Old Gods are actually the Evanuris or atleast a piece of their soul and especially since Andoral sounds like Andruil  :ph34r:

 

:rolleyes:

 

So in this magical scenario of yours. Sera spent several centuries as an old god child before randomly starting to grow up the moment someone adopted her? Sure thing buddy.