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[Serza]

Sera

 

Damn. For a moment, I almost thought I got transported in time back to 1944.

 

I wonder why...?

[SirGladiator]

I agree with the OP, and the thing is, I kind've think of the old saying 'can't see the forest for the trees', I think that applies to the mistake some folks are making.  Look at all the tons and tons of little things that point to Sera being Andruil, whether you're looking at the cards (which show quite clearly that Solas is the Wolf and Sera is Andruil) or the various things she says, or the things that Solas says, the unusual abilities she has, the unique way her mind works, the fact that the other ancient elven mages like Mythal and Solas are walking around too, etc.  Basically, you can look at one little aspect of the mountain of evidence and debate it either way, just like you can look at one tree and debate whether it would be part of a forest.  But taken as a whole, there's just way too many trees for it to be anything other than a forest.  

 

I wonder if Sera might actually be related to Solas in some way, a sister, a daughter, there's a lot of possibilities because we don't really know if Sera is Andruil the way Flemeth is Mythal, which is part one person part another, or if she's actually Andruil the way Solas is actually the Wolf, so many different possibilities (and if she's more like Flemeth, part one person part the other, she'd literally have 2 different sets of parents so lots of ways for her to be connected to Solas in some way) .  And we know that Mythal had the power to take part of her memory away, so there's nothing stopping Solas from taking some other part of it, clearly the ancient elves had that sort of ability, so it's super easy to understand how she wouldn't remember stuff.  Even her song points to some sort of connection to Solas, which didn't really make sense until the last piece of DLC, 'She would always like to say, why change the past when you can own this day?'  Why would she say that, who would she be saying that to?  Solas, we learned that he wants to destroy the world in order to make things like they were.  She doesn't, she hates living in the past and wants to live in the present.  Of course the part of the song about 'she will fight to keep her way' is more obviously relevant because 'Andruil's Way' was an important and major piece of ancient elven philosophy.

 

The whole thing is so fascinating, both because of what we do know and what we don't yet know.  But it definitely takes an interesting character and makes her a whole lot more cool and interesting, that's for sure!

[PIT_DEFENDER]

So which god is Sera suppoused to reflect anyways ?

[myahele]

So which god is Sera suppoused to reflect anyways ?

Possibly might have a wisp of Andruil 

 

 

Andruil fought Mythal's dragon form in the past

[PIT_DEFENDER]

So from what I understand Sera doseant really realise or understand and defienately doesnt accpet what she is. And very likely she will playa huge role in next part as some sort of living artifact everyone will want to use, like Cirilla in Witcher series ?

[Elhanan]

It would explain why I sometimes do not comprehend anything she says....

[Wren]

There are also the other murals that Solas painted:

http://nthornborrow....w-tarot-cards-i

 

If you look at the third Mural, it depicts what could be the locking of the Evanuris away.  Notice that three of those windows are golden with red borders? What does that mean? The three who are not locked up?  I don't know what it's supposed to represent actually, but most people seem to think that mural depicts the creation of the veil.

[Precursor Meta]

Either you're on to something, or you're looking to much into things.

[In Exile]

There are also the other murals that Solas painted:

http://nthornborrow....w-tarot-cards-i

 

If you look at the third Mural, it depicts what could be the locking of the Evanuris away.  Notice that three of those windows are golden with red borders? What does that mean? The three who are not locked up?  I don't know what it's supposed to represent actually, but most people seem to think that mural depicts the creation of the veil.

 

Solas is pretty clear that he's locked the lot of them away. Mythal missed out because she was dead(ish), but there's no suggestion that the whole Veil experiment put Solas at 4/7 in terms of locking away the elves tyrant gods. 

 

That mural is too abstract for us to really interpret most of it without some context. 

[LightningPoodle]

Literally just thought of this whilst in the shower.

 

Right, what do we know about the Elven Gods? They were mortal, correct? They walked upon the earth like any other living being. All they were were just powerful Mages. They weren't actually Gods. They weren't fabricated by the alignment of stars and solar winds. They were mortal.

 

What do all living things have do? What is the one thing that all living beings have to do? There purpose for living? It's to breed. It's to pass on their genes to the next generation. The Elven Gods, probably had children. Very likely had children. They were kings and queens. Kings and queens require heirs. Yes, the ancient Elves didn't age. They existed for all eternity, so long as they weren't killed. But, even people who live for millenia have children. It's a part of life.

 

So...

 

The evidence that supports this idea that Sera is Andruil (or is connected in some way) is there. It exists. It wasn't fabricated. This claim isn't built from dust. It's too much of a coincidence for it to just be coincidence. We have to accept that, until such a time as more solid evidence comes to light. Now, I don't believe BioWare would make Sera, Andruil. It's a bad move. But, that doesn't mean they haven't built a connection there between the two.

 

I think that the connection is simply Andruil being Sera's ancestor. So many years have gone by, the very stories the Elves tell are not consistent. It's easy for the actual heirs of the Gods to have passed into the unknown. No one would know, apart from a powerful Mage like Solas. He would probably be able to tell.

 

This also wouldn't change Sera's character when it is revealed. Andruil is nothing to Sera. After the revelation, I'm pretty sure she would still be nothing to Sera. She is still going to hate magic. She is still going to fear demons. She is still going to detest Elves. Nothing would actually change.

[rpgfan321]

You know I just realized while playing, completely off topic but, Sera is giving you an upside down middle finger in the tarot card.

 

Oh, Sera.

[Xcorpyo]

Wow, I was like ‘Huh?’ when I read the title of this topic, but after seeing all these little tidbits of information put together, I have to upgrade this theory to at least a maaaaaybe status. And slap myself repeatedly for not thinking about it sooner by myself. After all, one of my favourite team up is Solas-Sera-Cole(for the easy stuff, need a warrior for the stronger opponents), only for the chance of having Solas/Cole say something deeply philosophical only to be shut down by Sera with a ‘Pfhhhhh’ or ‘Shove it up your ***’ comment. I saw only the lol factor, and really missed all the subtext. 

 

And as most people that are against this have only the ‘the elven gods are all trapped in the Black City’, I must point out that this ‘300% true fact’ is stated by the elves and the magisters(for their pantheon), and we all know that they were never wrong about their Creators lore. Not. The only thing they got right were their names, and maybe their core personality.  For most of them, at least. Well, the magisters managed to screw up even the name part.

 

Now, as to a theory that could explain how not of the 7 ‘gods’ were not imprisoned in the BlackCity, here is mine.

 

 

Elves are immortal, 9 are awesome, turn into dragons, war, gods, yada yada.

            From Trespasser we see that the elves had underground temples were they ‘harvested’ lyrium. Since lyrium was dangerous to handle in it’s raw form, they ‘create’ some workers from stone, workers that have no ability for magic, and hence can harvest the lyrium safely. And the dwarves were created(maybe even by using the Anvil of the Void, an artefact Caridin found in one of these abandoned elven facilities and managed to reverse the process to a point, making stone golems from beings that were once created from the stone).

 

Now comes the tricky part. Maybe when they created the dwarves they unknowingly used the ‘flesh’ of the Balrog/Titan and he got pissed, or something even worse than the Titan and the elves they exiled in their first war(the Forgotten Ones as per the Tresspasser DLC…damn, need to finish that at some point in the future, even if 90% of it was spoiled for me), or the Devil or something.

 

They began to fight this evil, and somehow Andruil got ‘tainted’ by this Void. She became erratic(crazy even), got herself an red lyrium armor and all that, but was defeated by Mythal, who erased her memory of the event. Maybe she pulled a Lockard on that one and managed to erase most of her memory, therefore making her unable to fight the rest of the war.

 

At one point in time, Falon’Din decided that he wanted all the slaved in the world, maybe because he became tainted as well, but there is no clear reason for it stated so far. Anyway, all the other gods fought him and they probably limited his power somehow, or they exiled his ass to the Fade for a millennia to calm down. But, that made him mostly absent for this fight against ‘The Pillars of the Earth’ as well. But I will get to that later.

 

Solas was not part of this war as well, because he was busy freeing all the surface slaves of the other gods while they were busy fighting this new threat.

 

Now disaster strikes. All the other elven generals are all tainted at once, save Mythal and Solas, and they prove too much for Mythal to handle as she did with Andruil, so she is killed in a one vs four battle. Most of her anyway.

 

Solas finds out about this, he is enraged, but he is the weakest of the nine generals(we know this because he has to often use subterfuge to fight stronger enemies, using their own strength against them). Long story short, he somehow gets the soul of the Titan(the BlackCity) and the tainted elves in the Fade, raises the Veil and the rest is History.

 

With two major differences. Andruil was not in the Fade at the time, but in the real world, in the flesh. Buuut, since the Veil made all the elves mortal, she aged and died as any normal elf. With the tiny bit of a difference: she had a piece of her soul kept safe in the body of a dragon. So when her body died, her obliviated spirit was kept on Thedas, and entered the first ‘host’ it could find, the unborn child of an elf, the closest thing to her true self she could find. So it begun the endless line of crazy elven chicks with good aim and awesome skills they can’t explain that were born continuously from the raising of the Veil until the present day.

 

Now on the Flemeth side. She finds herself a body, sees the state things are atm and starts plotting her revenge. Buuut, not on the elven gods, because they were not themselves at the time they fought her. She wants to have her revenge on the Balrog/Titan/Satan thing that corrupted her friends and brought so much pain on her people.  We know  that she doesn’t want them dead, because in her fight with Andruil se didn’t killed her, but fought her until she could cleanse the taint from her and erase her memory of the event. Same with Kieran. If Mythal was after her revenge, I don’t think Kieran will not only go to her out of his free will, but he is very blaze about the whole ‘old soul sucked out of him’. I would imagine the Urthemiel part of his soul would be more like “the evil witch wants to suck my soul out and torment me for eternity. Kill it with FIRE!” and not the blaze “Sure, go ahead and suck the Old God soul out of me, can I have a hug later, granny?”.

The Old God souls seem to really like/know Mythal, thus giving us evidence for the Old Gods=elven gods, and that Mythal’s plan is to help them rid themselves of the taint and give them new bodies, aka the dragons her other daughter is trying to resurrect while Morrigan works on her part and give birth to the new untainted soul. And then join them in kicking some Titan ass.

 

Mythal on the mortal plain and Solas in the Fade have worked on this long con for millennia. She probably used some of her agents(daughters) to get the other 4 souls as well, Dumat being reborn in Andraste(he was one of the Creators/Makers, died in -203 Ancient, Andraste born in -203 Ancient, could hear the voice of the Maker and know a lot of things Kieran style,  the remains of the Bride of the Maker on top of a temple dedicated to Mythal, the Bride of the Creator, yada yada), etc.

 

Now, at the moment, Mythal has 5 souls(probably) and Solas awakens from his millennial slumber to get to the next part of “How to kill a Titan” operation. But wait, why now, when 2 souls are still unaccounted for? Simple, because the 2 remaining souls are already in play, even if they are not actively participating in the big mission.

But since their souls are not tainted, nor did they actively participated in the killing of Mythal, neither Solar nor Mythal have anything against them.

One point in favour of this theory is also the fact that Solas goes berserk when the GW want to kill the remaining two dragons, that are the only thing that is keeping Sera/Andruil and Falon’din immortal and anchored to this plane of existence, be it in the real world or in the Fade.

 

At this point most of you are ‘where does Falon’din comes from?’. Well it’s more of a stretch of my imagination than any actual proof, but bear with me and hear my crackpot theory in no way sustained by any type of evidence(legends or otherwise), but already canon in my head until proven wrong.

 

So at first I wanted to come up with new ‘evidence’ for the Sera=Andruil angle, but since people already pointed out the tidbits about her tarot card, some of her comments, some of Solas’ comments regarding her, some of Cole’s comments, and even some of her actions, especially in the Fade. Damn, need to reinstall the game and use their team the entire length.

The only new things I could point out(Besides the fact that Andruil was also known as ‘blood and force’, while Sera has the friends of Red Jenny) are the ones that are parallel between Sera/Aldruin and the greek goddess she was modelled after, Artemis, goddess of the hunt and archery and all that. Sera is displaying many of those similarities. Good with a bow, she has her ‘friends off Red Jenny’ the same way Artemis has her group of  hunters/nymphs she spends most of her time with roaming the forests. Artemis was also known as the goddess of virginity, and Sera and all that a male Inq can do together is play pranks on people. She does play around with a female Inq, but I have no idea how far that goes in regards to her …I’ll just stop here on this issue.

 

And I’m back to Falon’Din. At this point in time, I started to question everything that I ever read about pantheons from the first game plus DLCs. If Flemeth is Mythal, and Solas is Fen’harel, and there is some evidence that points to Mythal using the ritual more than once in the past, what of the other two missing gods, and who are they?

 

If Sera is the obliviated soul shard of Andruil, reborn again and again and again since the raising of the Veil, who could be the other one? So I started trying to see if the actions of some of the other companions/villains we met over the length of all the games are very close to the personality of one of the gods of old. Which is I think one of the few things the elves got right about their pantheon.

 

Since the newer games are closer to the end the devs have in store for this franchise, I decided to start with the last game and it’s DLC, since it should have the more accurate lore compared to the other games. And I din’t have go far. Not at all.

 

Let’s take Cole for example. The guy with the supreme legilimens ability, able to even read ‘Solas’’ thoughts, a thing that should be difficult for a mere spirit.  He also has a strong drive to guide spirits, and has a strong impulse to try to help people that are wounded, and to make the passing of those that are nearing their final moments easier.

He can also manifest in the real world and maintain most of his Fade abilities, having some interesting skill tree. And, at the end of Trespasser(or at least the ones I saw on Youtube…I really need to play that one), he leaves  Thedas and goes in the Fade, to guide the spirits that need him.  Let me repeat that, the spirits need him. The guy has a really high opinion of himself, I mean the only other guy that was spouting such nonsense with the “People need me” crap was Solas. Ohhh, wait.

 

My theory is that Falon’din, same as Andruin are not trapped in the BlackCity with the rest of their ilk, because they weren’t tainted at the time of the Veil being raised. Andruil was recovering after her fight with Mythal and the obliviation, and Falon’din was somehow exiled/subdued/maybe obliviated himself after the fight he had with the rest of the pantheon.  

So even if Sera and Cole don’t remember who they are, they still do some of the things that their old selves had ingrained in their ‘blood’ so to speak. Housing the spirit of Andruil, Sera has an inbor ability to master the ways of the trees, even without training, and can use other skills, even if she can’t explain how she is doing it.

Same as Sera, Cole is compelled to take care of the spirits, to be a guide to them, especially for those who are near their death, easing their passing through the Fade the same way Falon’Din used to do when he had full control of his senses/mental faculties.

 

Or I might be totally wrong, but boy it’s so much fun to come out with these theories, supported or unsupported by facts as they might be.

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

Great post Xcorpyo. If you are right re Cole/Falon'Din that's a great pick up. I'll have to use Cole more in another play through and you have now prompted me to see if I can find the time to dig through the Codex.

[giveamanafish...]

 

During the course of Dragon Age: Inquisition, The Dread Solas does not call the current elven people his people. He doesn't consider them to be "real elves", therefore he distinctly seperates himself from the other elves by using languge that referes to them as a seperate entity from his people.

 

For example, if you are an elven Inquisitor, he calls the elves your people, your race, separating himself from them and you. Even if you are his close friend, heck, even if you are his love he still doesn't call you one of his people, you are them, you are separate.

 

Yet he does Sera, WTF !?

 

....snip....

 

 

Noone appears to have mentioned this: If you take Sera to the Library in Trespasser you will get this conversation:

 

 

 

 

[In Exile]

Noone appears to have mentioned this: If you take Sera to the Library in Trespasser you will get this conversation:

 

 

 

 

 

Abelas also calls her an "elvhen". That said, it's also what he calls a Dalish Inquisitor. 

[giveamanafish...]

Abelas also calls her an "elvhen". That said, it's also what he calls a Dalish Inquisitor. 

I was wondering what the translation was for the first image:

andaran atish'an, mirthadra elvhen.

 

The red mist also calls her "honoured elvhen", which implies a somewhat higher status maybe?

[Mr.House]

Solas: I locked up the elven gods... oh Except for Andruil who was in Sera the whole time I just didn't tell you because the plot said so.

 

That's sloppy writing.

[In Exile]

Solas: I locked up the elven gods... oh Except for Andruil who was in Sera the whole time I just didn't tell you because the plot said so.

 

That's sloppy writing.

 

It's just a bizzare twist. He makes them all out to be absolute monsters, who made his world shattering spell (or whatever) the only option. Having him mess up and fail to catch one is one thing; having him be super cool to have one around is another. 

[Reznore57]

Abelas also calls her an "elvhen". That said, it's also what he calls a Dalish Inquisitor. 

 

The spirit in the library do the same thing with the elven Inquisitor , it also sees you as an elf so...that's not Sera being special , that's just her being an ef.

[MACharlie1]

I still hold on to the connection of the Old Gods to respective Elven Pantheon. I'm not sure HOW they connect though.

 

With Sera/Andruil's being one of the Archdemon's slain without the use of a Dark Ritual - resulting in a crazy powerful spirit roaming around for a host...spirits don't die the same way people do after all. They lose memories and WHO they were but the power itself is intact. 

[monicasubzero]

Hopefully, Sera is not another Elvhen god. First because I really like her and I don't want another freak god to pull my strings. Second, if she's a god, that would mean that there's a way for the Evanuris to escape their cage beyond the Veil. Thirs, because I don't like repeats and IMO it would just be bad writing for re-using the idea of an Elvhen god in the real world.