The Illusive man was a good guy. He did the dirty work, the unethical tests, the super secret missions, putting people in positions of power, developing technology to advance humanity...
Let's be honest, some of the greatest inventions came from some people willing to make sacrifices.
All he wanted to do was enslave the human race.
If the new game is andromeda, it will be discovered the colony slaver ships sent there were directly funded by cerberus!
Fixed it for you.
Not really, he was after the collector base for the technology. If you destroy the base he chews Shepard out stating that he/she "choked" when it counted, clearly showing he feels the mission was a failure. If he cared about humanity he would have at least shown some relief that humans would no longer be targeted by the Collectors but his actions showed that he could really care less if he doesn't get what he wants, which was the collector base and the technology it had.
Good thing then that in ME3 he gets it anyway
And my point is comparing actual aliens to foreigners is stupid.
Nope. The turians pretty much just open fired on humanity because they activated the wrong relay.
The what now? Everyone wants their species to gain more prestige and standing. That's why we aren't extinct right now.
I hated him from the moment he ordered Dr. Eva to execute Ashley.
I never understood where the love people have for Cerberus comes from. They were clearly a terrorist organization bent on truly horrifying research in the first game.
In the second, TIM treats everyone simply as tools to carry out their tasks and then be discarded. 95% of ME2 is simply team building for the final mission. A mission where if you don't capture the station like TIM wants, he effectively says you failed. His intention was the station the whole time.
Some keep saying they changed into the 'bad' guys in ME 3. They were always the 'bad guys'. Everything in the first two games was just building to this apex. They were consistently looking for ways to create and control super-soldiers. Everything they ever did was to grab more power for themselves, right up to the end when they wanted to control the reapers themselves for the power it could give them.
Cerberus wasn´t the Alliance´s intel branch but did its own thing and most of that exploded in their face. There was one man in charge with no oversight and lo and behold, the whole organisation turned against humanity with one indoctrinated guy. And well Ceberus is humanity, when Cerberus is strong every human is strong, yeah sure. Considering that TIM is Cerberus or more the lynchpin that holds the whole thing together, you get the idea who should be the pinnacle of the galaxy according to his visions. It´s pretty obvious that TIM was suffering from delusions of grandeur even in ME 2.
I never understood where the love people have for Cerberus comes from. They were clearly a terrorist organization bent on truly horrifying research in the first game.
In the second, TIM treats everyone simply as tools to carry out their tasks and then be discarded. 95% of ME2 is simply team building for the final mission. A mission where if you don't capture the station like TIM wants, he effectively says you failed. His intention was the station the whole time.
Some keep saying they changed into the 'bad' guys in ME 3. They were always the 'bad guys'. Everything in the first two games was just building to this apex. They were consistently looking for ways to create and control super-soldiers. Everything they ever did was to grab more power for themselves, right up to the end when they wanted to control the reapers themselves for the power it could give them.
Basically all this, 100%.
Credit where it's due, but the Thorian business was ExoGeni.
Didn't Cerberus steal a sample of Thorian though? It's been awhile but I seem to recall a Cerberus research facility that got a hold of Thorian.
All he wanted to do was save the human race.
If the new game is andromeda, it will be discovered the colony ships sent there were directly funded by cerberus!
By shooting everything in sight with his clone army, yes.
TIM had been in the early stages of Indoctrination all along, and he knew it, but being such a strong-willed individual he was able to fight it up until ME3, when it overtook him entirely. The rank and file of Cerberus had more frequent and direct contact with Reaper Tech, as they were studying it, and were also not as mentally resiliant as TIM, which explains why some of the cells were doing horrific things. TIM didn't necessarily know the extent of these, or even approve of them, but the Indoctrinated part of him let them continue.
What we see of TIM in ME2 is his last ditch effort to give the galaxy the hero he knows it needs, in direct conflict with the Indoctrinated part of him wanting to use that hero to secure the ultimate treasure trove of Reaper Technology, the Collector Base. He really is a tragic, yet heroic character in his own right.
I honestly hoped in ME3 there would be a twist and you would discover Admiral Hackett was indoctrinated the entire time. It would explain why the reapers bypassed earth's defenses so quickly, and no warning was ever sent to earth before the attack. They knew the reapers were coming but were shocked to learn they even lost the moon when they did. I hoped cerberus would turn out to be the good guys the entire time but were painted as the bad guys because of the commander of the alliance being indoctrinated. The illusive man had to attack mars and go rogue because he knew the Alliance was corrupted.
I was so depressed when none of that happened and they were just the stereotypical bad guys we all expected them to be.
I never understood where the love people have for Cerberus comes from. They were clearly a terrorist organization bent on truly horrifying research in the first game.
In the second, TIM treats everyone simply as tools to carry out their tasks and then be discarded. 95% of ME2 is simply team building for the final mission. A mission where if you don't capture the station like TIM wants, he effectively says you failed. His intention was the station the whole time.
Some keep saying they changed into the 'bad' guys in ME 3. They were always the 'bad guys'. Everything in the first two games was just building to this apex. They were consistently looking for ways to create and control super-soldiers. Everything they ever did was to grab more power for themselves, right up to the end when they wanted to control the reapers themselves for the power it could give them.
Don't know about the others, but with me it's not the "love for Cerberus", but rather my dislike for Bioware's naive stance on morality in politics and shadowy affairs.
It's like Bioware is trying to push the idea that if you are a "good guy", you can just power through everything with your Awesome Paragon Powers.
There is zero acknowledgment to the fact that politics and spy games between nations - and most certainly between different species alien to each other,
are a dirty affair, occasionally dotted by conspiracies, murder, blackmail, frame jobs, cyber warefare, psy-ops, etc.
Alliance Intelligence was nothing if not an example for incompetecy throughout the ME story, with virtually next to no useful intel coming from their direction. By all rights, Humanity should have had an organization to fill the void and counter its counterparts.
It could have been Cerberus if Bioware didn't make them into the over-the-top incompetent villains that they were.
I always fond it kinda unbelievable (illogic? bullshitty?) that Cerberus could field so many expensive assets.
Exaxctly. He was good strong leader, not like that weak Citadel Council. ME3 was really lame, cos' you were forced to play fight against him. While I just really wanted a full Cerberus crew, and a romance option with a Phantom.
There is zero acknowledgment to the fact that politics and spy games between nations - and most certainly between different species alien to each other,
are a dirty affair, occasionally dotted by conspiracies, murder, blackmail, frame jobs, cyber warefare, psy-ops, etc.
There is dirty affairs and moustache twirling villainy. Cerberus was more known for blowing up because of their illegal research.
Alliance Intelligence was nothing if not an example for incompetecy throughout the ME story, with virtually next to no useful intel coming from their direction. By all rights, Humanity should have had an organization to fill the void and counter its counterparts.
Hardly the only ones. Every political organisation was holding the idiot ball to empower Shepard, the (wo)man who gets things done.
It could have been Cerberus if Bioware didn't make them into the over-the-top incompetent villains that they were.
Cerberus was a rogue organisation since ME 1. And if it was, it wouldn´t have looked like it did with TIM as sole boss. No sane governments would organize his intel division like that with no oversight. Happens but then you have a problem.
But you were fine with being railroaded in to joining Cerberus?Exaxctly. He was good strong leader, not like that weak Citadel Council. ME3 was really lame, cos' you were forced to play fight against him. While I just really wanted a full Cerberus crew, and a romance option with a Phantom.
Didn't Cerberus steal a sample of Thorian though? It's been awhile but I seem to recall a Cerberus research facility that got a hold of Thorian.
All he wanted to do was save the human race.
If the new game is andromeda, it will be discovered the colony ships sent there were directly funded by cerberus!
The funniest thing will be if every race sent some "ark" there in hope to save their race. So, we will be fighting\compete for resources with familiar races 
I see a great potential for a strategy game!
Good or bad I was very upset that they did such a poor job with that character in his ME3 resolution in my opinion. He deserved a better ending to his part of the story.
It wasn't just the ending that was disappointing. The entirely of ME3 is a series of bad writing and missed opportunities, TIM being one of many.
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