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[capn233]

Cerberus=Cobra

Illusive Man= Cobra Commander

 

That's about right.

[pkypereira]

In the end he did want what was best for humanity and with all his resources he saw the bigger picture that Shepard couldn't, he just underestimated the Reapers' power, which is why he killed himself when he realized the Reapers were controlling him.

[AlanC9]

The only statement I know is that Shep said to Joker at Chronos that Cerberus has better ships than the Alliance but nothing about numbers. Perhaps it is somewhere in here: http://forum.bioware...e2-codex/page-2

The Sanctuary lampshade is a bit thin IMO.

Cerberus is known to have some superior Reaper-derived techs. See, for example, the way they defeat Salarian air defenses at Sur'Kesh. So better ships makes sense.

As for numbers, how many do we see in Omega? In vanilla there are only a handful of cruisers.

[Gabey5]

There are pros and cons to a group like Cerberus. In the short term they may get **** done, but in the long run the only way things end is corruption. If the their dictator is compromised the entire system collapses immediately.  You cant destroy the STG by killing one man

[Chealec]

TIM was a nutjob ... unfortunately he was also right with regards to the Reapers, which is annoying.

[N7Jamaican]

TIM was a nutjob ... unfortunately he was also right with regards to the Reapers, which is annoying.

 

He went nutty in ME3.  In ME2 he's a reasonable guy. 

[Display Name Owner]

Well, he didn't just want to protect humanity, he wanted to make them the dominant race. I realise that for a nation, dominance is how you protect the interests of your people, but I never liked it. That was my issue with Cerberus, not their methods. Say what you will about the Council and how they treat certain races, they do at least cooperate for the general greater good, so I'm against the idea of Humanity toppling the established order to become the top race. Just seems greedy.

 

Also despite Shepard's pre-written opinion on the matter, I was never against TIM's wanting to beat the Reapers by seizing control of them (although I'd never have wanted him to be the guy with the remote control). His whole plan just made no sense. And he was an idiot for hanging a dead Reaper up in Cerberus HQ.

[ComedicSociopathy]

The Illusive Man was a James Bond villain who desperately needed to be thrown into a pool of sharks. 

[Killdren88]

TIM was a nutjob ... unfortunately he was also right with regards to the Reapers, which is annoying.

One of the main reasons I pick destroy is to spite him.

[SomberXIII]

He's like Solas. Good guy, terrible plans.

[KotorEffect3]

The only race TIM gives a damn about it is humanity.

[hemorrhoid]

I don't think TIM was good or bad, just very ambitious, overestimating about himself and clearly annoyed the crap outta Shepard.

[ShadyKat]

All he wanted to do was save the human race. 
 
If the new game is andromeda, it will be discovered the colony ships sent there were directly funded by cerberus!

And enslave every other race.

[vellveteen]

He did have good intentions but he did ruthless things and wanted human dominance for the galaxy. Kind of a neutral character 

[Kappa Neko]

Some people here scare me...

[themikefest]

The only race TIM gives a damn about it is humanity.

Nothing wrong with that. Humanity #1

[Kalas Magnus]

i agree.

 

i dont see how looking out for humanity is such a bad thing. just look at what the salarians did to the krogans. sterilized them after they saved the galaxy from the rachni.

 

gotta be wary of other species.

[DeathScepter]

i agree.

 

i dont see how looking out for humanity is such a bad thing. just look at what the salarians did to the krogans. sterilized them after they saved the galaxy from the rachni.

 

gotta be wary of other species.

 

 

There is nothing wrong with other species, but in the end, regardless if the other species are well intention(Asari) or Brutal(Krogan) or Hardass(Turians), keeping your species alive and developing a solid power base will be important. So Humanity 1st. 

[KotorEffect3]

Nothing wrong with that. Humanity #1

I don't have a problem with looking out for number one.  We all do it to an extent in real life.  And all of our countries do it but there is a fine line between looking out for number one and screwing over others in the process.  And it is a line TIM doesn't give a damn about.

[N7Jamaican]

Cerberus was all about doing the dirty so the "Alliance" could reap the benefits.  TIM was a good guy, just a bit crazy.

[Applepie_Svk]

Have I heard words - the best intentions ?  

[In Exile]

There are pros and cons to a group like Cerberus. In the short term they may get **** done, but in the long run the only way things end is corruption. If the their dictator is compromised the entire system collapses immediately.  You cant destroy the STG by killing one man

 

Yeah, except they don't. While ME's EU went nutso with "Ceberus did it", in ME2 they were objectively awful at everything they did that Shepard wasn't involved it. At the rate they were going, without Shepard Joker would probably just have flow Normandy straight into a sun. 

 

Every single Cerberus project or plot is a disaster w/o Shepard being personally involved, and in ME3 they just go insane.

[Ahglock]

Yeah, except they don't. While ME's EU went nutso with "Ceberus did it", in ME2 they were objectively awful at everything they did that Shepard wasn't involved it. At the rate they were going, without Shepard Joker would probably just have flow Normandy straight into a sun. 

 

Every single Cerberus project or plot is a disaster w/o Shepard being personally involved, and in ME3 they just go insane.

 

Don't get me wrong, they are portrayed like that and it fits my cobra/cobra commander narative.  But, i think its more likely the intended Cerberus narative is that you are only made aware of the screw ups so you can go in and fix them, the sucess stories they don't bother you with because you might find them unethical enough to try and shut down.

[wolfsite]

Cerberus was all about doing the dirty so the "Alliance" could reap the benefits.  TIM was a good guy, just a bit crazy.

Main issue here is that Cerberus went Rogue (hell even before they went rogue they did a lot of stupid stuff) and then ended up killing a number of Alliance officers for little to no gain of any sort: Admiral Kohoku, the soldiers under his command.  The unit on Akuze, The squad sent to study rachni (hell they could have just read the Asari/Salarian reports on that screw up), the human colonies that were ravaged to study husks - and before anyone says they were all dead before the experiments started when you read the data logs during the mission they are clearly alive when Cerberus showed up - and what did we learn from all that?  Don't do that.

[Ahglock]

Main issue here is that Cerberus went Rogue (hell even before they went rogue they did a lot of stupid stuff) and then ended up killing a number of Alliance officers for little to no gain of any sort: Admiral Kohoku, the soldiers under his command.  The unit on Akuze, The squad sent to study rachni (hell they could have just read the Asari/Salarian reports on that screw up), the human colonies that were ravaged to study husks - and before anyone says they were all dead before the experiments started when you read the data logs during the mission they are clearly alive when Cerberus showed up - and what did we learn from all that?  Don't do that.

 

Little gain?  That was for science....  Turn in your mad scientist card and leave.