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[Arvaarad]

In this thread, "metagame knowledge" also includes sharing in-universe information with a character that wasn't present for that codex.

 

For example, sharing Sandal's prophecy with the Inquisitor could have a big impact. Depending on the Inquisitor, it could change their focus from "stopping the removal of the Veil" to "surviving the removal of the Veil", giving Thedas a head start when that day comes.

 

In addition to prophecies, known future events are also on the table. For example, giving Hawke information about Anders might delay the mage-templar war by a couple years. That particular conflict was coming to a head anyway, though. Even major metagame knowledge wouldn't affect it much, unless it also included detailed information about Corypheus and the Conclave. Alternately, if you chose to share critical information with Corypheus, that could easily tip the balance in his favor, leading to the Hushed Whispers world.

 

 

 

What piece of information would make the biggest difference if shared with the right (or wrong!) person? What would be the ripple effects of sharing it? Let me hear your alternate histories!

[Lunatic Lace]

I think I'd be curious to know what would happen if you told Maric about Cailan at Ostagar/Loghain's betrayal. Maybe that would prevent him from running off and getting himself declared dead. Technically it's a small bit of info in the grand scheme of things, but if Maric were still king at the time of the Fifth Blight it could have changed a hell of a lot.

[SandiKay0]

Flemeth told him that Loghain was going to betray Fereldan I thought.

[Big I]

Telling Hawke not to go to the Vinmarks during Legacy would be pretty significant. The same is true of all plots in DA; telling the Warden that Loghain will betray them at Ostagar, telling the Inquisitor the Viddasala is plotting an invasion, etc.

 

Apart from events they haven't experienced yet, there just isn't that much knowledge that we know as players that the characters don't. Alistair's real mother? The fact that Rhys's father is probably Greagor? The fact the Architect is probably a Tevinter magister, and immortal?

[Lunatic Lace]

Flemeth told him that Loghain was going to betray Fereldan I thought.

 

She did, but it was very, very vague. Plus there was the whole "crazy witch of the wilds" aspect about it. I don't know how much of it Maric actually took stock in, or if he would have imagined just how far Loghain would have gone.

[Arvaarad]

She did, but it was very, very vague. Plus there was the whole "crazy witch of the wilds" aspect about it. I don't know how much of it Maric actually took stock in, or if he would have imagined just how far Loghain would have gone.

 

Yeah, he and Loghain were besties. She could have told him exactly what would happen to Cailan, and I doubt he would have believed it. What's that old Thedosian saying? "Bros before ancient elven goddesses of motherhood moonlighting as swamp hags"?

[vertigomez]

Knowing that the Maker is David Gaider.

They couldn't do **** about it, but it'd be funny.

[SandiKay0]

Tell Varric that Bianca was going to lead Cory to the primevil thiag?

[Gold Dragon]

Telling Cassandra that Solas was not only the real cause of the destruction of the Conclave, but is also actively trying to destroy the world.  While in Haven.

[Arvaarad]

Tell Varric that Bianca was going to lead Cory to the primevil thiag?

 

Hm, it's interesting to think how Cory's plans might have changed without access to red lyrium. He used it to weaken the templars and clearly intended to use it after recruiting the mages, given the results in In Hushed Whispers. He used it to corrupt the horcrux dragon too. Although the dragon seemed to be mostly for show, as it actually gave him a weakness? So that aspect of his plan might have been optional.

 

He likes using red lyrium mostly because it taps into Blight magic, which he can manipulate a bit. If he didn't have red lyrium, would he have to capture a bunch of darkspawn or something? Can lyrium be converted to red lyrium by making a darkspawn cough on it?

 

Or... wait, the Nightmare wanted to help him, so he could execute the Grey Warden aspect of his plan without red lyrium. Then once he has the Grey Wardens on his side, he could tap into Blight magic through them. He'd have to be stealthier in the early stages of his plan (which might not be possible for Mr. Enthusiastic-Youth-Pastor-Gone-Bad Corypheus) since he wouldn't have a quick ramp on the mages and templars. But then, he did manage to fly under the radar prior to the Conclave, so perhaps I give him too little credit.

[Nixou]

Telling the Warden commander of Ferelden to drag Anders back to Amaranthine by the ponytail before 9:37

[Drasanil]

Warning the Evanuris about Solas' plan to create the veil 

[SandiKay0]

But unleashing the blight might have been their destroy the world plan first.

[Daerog]

If we are keeping it within the time frame of right when Origins begins to when Trespasser ends... I would think telling Duncan immediately about the Architect and his awakening of Urthemiel would be the greatest change. The Wardens know where the Old Gods are and Duncan knows about the Architect, so there wouldn't be too much confusion.

 

That could possibly help stop the Fifth Blight from even starting... if they stopped the Architect in time... which would make everything change.

 

No Hero of Fereldan, no mass exodus of refugees, no Hawke in Kirkwall, no Anders becoming a warden, no death of King Cailan, Fereldan would remain strong, the events of Legacy would not have played out as they did if at all, Cory would probably still be imprisoned, Morrigan probably wouldn't leave the swamp...

 

and Solas would probably have no one getting in his way to bring down the Veil since there would be no need for an Inquisition in 9:40 Dragon.

 

Edit: I mean telling Duncan right when the opening scene begins, before we even go to whoever the player chose to play. If Urthemiel already woke up, at least they would get more Wardens involved and be more prepared... maybe...

[Arvaarad]

If we are keeping it within the time frame of right when Origins begins to when Trespasser ends... I would think telling Duncan immediately about the Architect and his awakening of Urthemiel would be the greatest change. The Wardens know where the Old Gods are and Duncan knows about the Architect, so there wouldn't be too much confusion.

 

That could possibly help stop the Fifth Blight from even starting... if they stopped the Architect in time... which would make everything change.

 

No Hero of Fereldan, no mass exodus of refugees, no Hawke in Kirkwall, no Anders becoming a warden, no death of King Cailan, Fereldan would remain strong, the events of Legacy would not have played out as they did if at all, Cory would probably still be imprisoned, Morrigan probably wouldn't leave the swamp...

 

and Solas would probably have no one getting in his way to bring down the Veil since there would be no need for an Inquisition in 9:40 Dragon.

 

Edit: I mean telling Duncan right when the opening scene begins, before we even go to whoever the player chose to play. If Urthemiel already woke up, at least they would get more Wardens involved and be more prepared... maybe...

 

Yeah, this would be a big one.

 

There is one major question: can the thralls of Corypheus reach Hawke? I assume Ferelden is quite a distance to track down the family, when you're starting in the Vimmarks. But that's assuming none of the Hawkes visit the area their family originally came from. Sure, now all ties are severed, but a few years down the line they might wander there to... I don't know, bury Gamlen or something.

 

Also, with all three Hawke siblings now surviving, there's an increased risk that one of them will have children, who will also carry Malcolm's blood. If any of their descendants have reasons to visit the Free Marches, there might be insane Corydwarves waiting at the gate.

 

 

 

Aside: can I just interject what a terrible plan it was for the Wardens to seal Cory using the blood of someone with a family? I get that it made him easier to manipulate, but exponential growth says that if his children survive and have kids, in a few generations there will be a huge population of people that can unseal the prison. It would have been much safer to recruit someone with no (heh) legacy. Or better yet, a childless, postmenopausal woman.

 

Though I guess given Cory's influence on Wardens, that kind of subtle stupidity may not have been an accident.

[myahele]

That Flemeth is actually Mythal, just imagine if people took her seriously rather than her doing things the roundabout way

[SandiKay0]

Tell Anders to hire a crow to kill Meredeth when he arrived in Kirkwall.

[Arvaarad]

That Flemeth is actually Mythal, just imagine if people took her seriously rather than her doing things the roundabout way

Haha, I can imagine this being an annoyance for her. How can I be the mysterious shadow puppeteer if everyone knows I'm Mythal?!

... then, knowing her and her 1000 backup plans, she'd probably body-hop into a new identity and slide back under the radar.

[BansheeOwnage]

If we are keeping it within the time frame of right when Origins begins to when Trespasser ends... I would think telling Duncan immediately about the Architect and his awakening of Urthemiel would be the greatest change. The Wardens know where the Old Gods are and Duncan knows about the Architect, so there wouldn't be too much confusion.

 

That could possibly help stop the Fifth Blight from even starting... if they stopped the Architect in time... which would make everything change.

 

No Hero of Fereldan, no mass exodus of refugees, no Hawke in Kirkwall, no Anders becoming a warden, no death of King Cailan, Fereldan would remain strong, the events of Legacy would not have played out as they did if at all, Cory would probably still be imprisoned, Morrigan probably wouldn't leave the swamp...

 

and Solas would probably have no one getting in his way to bring down the Veil since there would be no need for an Inquisition in 9:40 Dragon.

 

Edit: I mean telling Duncan right when the opening scene begins, before we even go to whoever the player chose to play. If Urthemiel already woke up, at least they would get more Wardens involved and be more prepared... maybe...

That would certainly change a lot, though not necessarily Solas' plans. He may have found another way to unlock the orb and simply tore down the veil with nothing to stop him.

[DaryAlexV]

Telling young Corypheus about consequences of entering the golden city.

[Jandi]

Telling Hawke to go somewhere else and stay as far away from Kirkwall as possible.

[Drasanil]

Telling Hawke to go somewhere else and stay as far away from Kirkwall as possible.

 

Alternatively, just having the Hero of Ferelden shank the Hawke family on their way through Lothering just to make sure. With Hawke's luck, you could probably tell them everything and they'd still bumble their way up to Kirkwall somehow. 

[fizzypop]

Telling the maker that his children would betray him and that he shouldn't bother creating them at all.

I'm surprised no one else said it.

[Jandi]

Telling the maker that his children would betray him and that he shouldn't bother creating them at all.

I'm surprised no one else said it.

 

There's actually a funny line in Skyhold about spirits and the Maker. 2 noble women are talking about something and the one says something like "If the maker is in control then why did his first children, the spirits, go bad?" And the other says in a thick Orlesian accent (which makes it even better) "I don't know, because firstborn are always spoiled little shits?"

[ReadingRambo220]

The golden nug with every schematic including lyrium machine guns