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[Estel Lavellan]

As in, can there really be a rune specifically enchanted to provide a measure of counter to Darkspawn? Seems to me if this is literally true, then 1. It implies a rudimentary understanding of how the Blight and darkspawn works, so there is actually 'blight research' going on somewhere, so why have we not contributed to it, benefited from it and learned about it in any way? and 2. It should have been mandatory equipment not only amongst Grey Wardens, but across all Thedas if that's the case, considering how the Blight is feared and hated by all.

 

While we're at it, we know that simple enchantments like fire, frost runes etc. are canon items, as it pops up every now and then in conversations. So what of other more 'sophisticated' runes, like dragon-slaying, demon-slaying, cleansing and corrupting runes? Are they only representations of actually a complex series of preparations regarding that particular type of creature, or is it really as simple as 'slap this rune on your sword and it cuts through dragons like a hot knife through butter'?

 

 

[Aulis Vaara]

Pretty sure they are canon, because the materials used make all kinds of sense.

[renfrees]

We had a potion that added damage against Darkspawn, so yeah, the rune makes sense as canon.

[Jandi]

We had a potion that added damage against Darkspawn, so yeah, the rune makes sense as canon.

 

A potion? How does that work, exactly? You... what, ****** on the Darkspawn after consuming it? O.o

[BansheeOwnage]

I can't say for sure whether all of them are canon, but the corrupting rune definitely is. It's basically red lyrium ammo. For example, try equipping it on a bow or staff and shoot a wall. You'll see the red lyrium shards appear on impact. The Red Templar archers use them too.

 

And I would imagine it would be far more deadly in-universe than in combat. I mean, a mage can die just from standing too close to raw blue lyrium. Imagine what being impaled by red lyrium shards would do to anyone.

[Ballax]

Blackwall mentions that silverite is especially effective against darkspawn which indicates that there are some things that repel or damage them inherently. If I had to guess the cleansing rune is in some way mimicking the effects of silverite.

[Estel Lavellan]

Blackwall mentions that silverite is especially effective against darkspawn which indicates that there are some things that repel or damage them inherently. If I had to guess the cleansing rune is in some way mimicking the effects of silverite.

 

If it mimics the effects of silverite, then shouldn't it not stack with a silverite weapon?

[Estel Lavellan]

I can't say for sure whether all of them are canon, but the corrupting rune definitely is. It's basically red lyrium ammo. For example, try equipping it on a bow or staff and shoot a wall. You'll see the red lyrium shards appear on impact. The Red Templar archers use them too.

 

And I would imagine it would be far more deadly in-universe than in combat. I mean, a mage can die just from standing too close to raw blue lyrium. Imagine what being impaled by red lyrium shards would do to anyone.

 

If this is so, then it raises an even more questions: that the Inquisition, and possibly the Inquisitor or even Varric (who freaking hates Red Lyrium), using red lyrium ammunition themselves in combat. It's just like Hawke being able to be speced as a blood mage without raising any eyebrows or being called out as a maleficar. This has sort of led me to conclude that the more sophisticated runes might not be taken at face value.

[renfrees]

A potion? How does that work, exactly? You... what, ****** on the Darkspawn after consuming it? O.o

http://dragonage.wik...lixir_of_Purity

[Bfler]

Blackwall mentions that silverite is especially effective against darkspawn which indicates that there are some things that repel or damage them inherently. If I had to guess the cleansing rune is in some way mimicking the effects of silverite.

 

Weapons made of silver effective against monsters? Seems familiar to me.

[SwobyJ]

If this is so, then it raises an even more questions: that the Inquisition, and possibly the Inquisitor or even Varric (who freaking hates Red Lyrium), using red lyrium ammunition themselves in combat. It's just like Hawke being able to be speced as a blood mage without raising any eyebrows or being called out as a maleficar. This has sort of led me to conclude that the more sophisticated runes might not be taken at face value.

 

Red Lyrium is not the same as Blood Magic.

 

Red Lyrium doesn't have centuries of paranoia surrounding it. Its just a crazy new thing that the Elder One also seems to be using a lot.

[Drasanil]

As in, can there really be a rune specifically enchanted to provide a measure of counter to Darkspawn?

 

DAO, had Silvertie Runes that gave Darkspawn specific damages bonuses. So yeah, Cleansing Rune seems legit. 

[Jandi]

http://dragonage.wik...lixir_of_Purity

 

I was joking

[BansheeOwnage]

If this is so, then it raises an even more questions: that the Inquisition, and possibly the Inquisitor or even Varric (who freaking hates Red Lyrium), using red lyrium ammunition themselves in combat. It's just like Hawke being able to be speced as a blood mage without raising any eyebrows or being called out as a maleficar. This has sort of led me to conclude that the more sophisticated runes might not be taken at face value.

No, it seems canon to me. Red lyrium can be handled, even if it's dangerous. Hence the Red Lyrium Reaper weapons Dagna makes for you. They're made almost entirely out of red lyrium, yet you suffer no ill-effects, so it just shows you need to be careful with it.

 

Red Lyrium is not the same as Blood Magic.

 

Red Lyrium doesn't have centuries of paranoia surrounding it. Its just a crazy new thing that the Elder One also seems to be using a lot.

Exactly. It's like using explosives. Sure, you could blow yourself up if you're not careful, but that's not really enough reason not to use them.

[MrMrPendragon]

You know I've never really thought about items that way.I just pass these things as "things that happen for the sake of gameplay". I don't count them as canon, not unless someone from Bioware confirms they are.

 

This one however, probably is. Although I don't really know what "More effective for darkspawn" means story-wise. I mean in a purely in-universe view - one outside of gameplay view - everyone dies if you hit them properly once with a weapon, not like gameplay where they have health bars and whatnot.

 

So unless silverite has an effect to darkspawn like "darkspawn are afraid of going near silverite", which I doubt because there were a lot of them in the Silverite mine in Awakening, then I don't think it really matters if that rune is canon. One good hit from a sword will always get darkspawn, rune or no rune.

[Daerog]

Silverite runes do extra damage to darkspawn, and I think that is canon, not just a gameplay buff.

 

The Wardens have (or had) access to a magic dagger that repelled the blight and blight magic, so I assume they know ways of countering the blight... unless Duncan kept it secret or something.

 

Maric had a sword that he found in the Deep Roads that could also repel the blight... it had runes and stuff on it if I remember correctly.

 

I don't think silverite itself is a weakness to darkspawn, I think it has to be enchanted in some way with lyrium... I think...

[Toasted Llama]

Weapons made of silver effective against monsters? Seems familiar to me.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing lol

 

Though I was also contemplating that something shiny and light could kill something dark and tainted. Kinda like pokemon/common theme among good-evil settings.

[BansheeOwnage]

I don't think silverite itself is a weakness to darkspawn, I think it has to be enchanted in some way with lyrium... I think...

Yes, I think all runes are enchanted with lyrium. If the cold, fire, electricity, corrupting, etc runes are canon, I see no reason why the others wouldn't be. They are magic, after all.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Silverite runes used to deal extra damage to Darkspawn back in Origins. I assume the Cleansing runes use a similar process.

 

And they don't need to know how the Blight works to make anti-Darkspawn runes. Just like you don't need to know the physical principle of combustion to create a fire rune or the temperature at which water freezes to make a frost rune. Someone found out that slapping Lyrium on Silverite is effective against Darkspawn, word gets out, runesmiths of various flavors start using it when Darkspawn are a thing. 

 

Besides, the concept silver being extra effective against monstruous creatures isn't exactly new in fantasy.

[The Baconer]

Exactly. It's like using explosives. Sure, you could blow yourself up if you're not careful, but that's not really enough reason not to use them.

 

That's actually quite similar to arguments made in favor of using Blood Magic.

 

Red Lyrium itself is an actively malignant substance; it's infused with the Blight, and capable of infecting most life forms that come into contact with it. It's more of a literal biological weapon than conventional explosive. I would say there's a much better argument to be made against using it than the other way around.

[Heimdall]

That's actually quite similar to arguments made in favor of using Blood Magic.

 

Red Lyrium itself is an actively malignant substance; it's infused with the Blight, and capable of infecting most life forms that come into contact with it. It's more of a literal biological weapon than conventional explosive. I would say there's a much better argument to be made against using it than the other way around.

Well, to be clear, it only seems to infect those that are in close proximity to it over the long term (Years in the case of Meredith and Bartrand, who kept a fragment) or those that directly ingest it.  Putting it on a weapon may infect people it wounds, but its a rune so it seems its the energy rather than physical red lyrium that you're striking people with, so you aren't infecting people by hitting them.  So the rune isn't really a biological weapon.  Still, using it should be taken with a grain of gameplay-story-segregation because there's no way someone like Varric or Cassandra would ever use it.

Silverite runes used to deal extra damage to Darkspawn back in Origins. I assume the Cleansing runes use a similar process.

 

And they don't need to know how the Blight works to make anti-Darkspawn runes. Just like you don't need to know the physical principle of combustion to create a fire rune or the temperature at which water freezes to make a frost rune. Someone found out that slapping Lyrium on Silverite is effective against Darkspawn, word gets out, runesmiths of various flavors start using it when Darkspawn are a thing. 

 

Besides, the concept silver being extra effective against monstruous creatures isn't exactly new in fantasy.

This^

 

I suspect that's why they included a metal called Silverite to begin with.  It would be interesting to explore why it works though.

[DuskWanderer]

It's already clear that there are some materials that are inherently better at dealing with certain enemies than others. 

 

As for Varric using Red Lyrium, just a separation of plot and gameplay, like the age old adage "Mommy, why don't they use a Fenix Down on Aeris?"

[Daerog]

For RP reasons, I could never use corruption runes. It was just... too dark? Evil? Bad? I don't see how my Inquisitor would be comfortable using it.

[Heimdall]

For RP reasons, I could never use corruption runes. It was just... too dark? Evil? Bad? I don't see how my Inquisitor would be comfortable using it.

I did for awhile, though for most of that time I hadn't realized it was actually red lyrium 

 

Not anymore though.

[The Baconer]

Well, to be clear, it only seems to infect those that are in close proximity to it over the long term (Years in the case of Meredith and Bartrand, who kept a fragment) or those that directly ingest it.  Putting it on a weapon may infect people it wounds, but its a rune so it seems its the energy rather than physical red lyrium that you're striking people with, so you aren't infecting people by hitting them.  So the rune isn't really a biological weapon. 

 

I mean, the visual effect is literally crystals sprouting from where an enemy is struck, implying some kind of physical reaction or element (not that an application of "pure" energy would be any better, as what would that mean? Corruption energy? Blight energy?). This actually seems similar to the method Horrors use to attack. It may not implant enough material to let it sprout and grow in the long-term (educated guess here), but it will cause the victim to feel ill.