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[Former_Fiend]

Oddly, Loghain doesn't seem to age at all.

 

Some grow old. Others grow distinguished. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Some grow old. Others grow distinguished. 

 

And some become tasty wine............wait, what?

[duckley]

and stress, anxiety and aging does not lead to new eye colour, new lip shape, new nose shape etc etc etc....

[Former_Fiend]

and stress, anxiety and aging does not lead to new eye colour, new lip shape, new nose shape etc etc etc....

 

This has been stated, but in regards to eye color, it was DA2 that got his eye color wrong. He had blue eyes in Origins; Trespasser corrected that.

[Former_Fiend]

And as a point, stress aging actually can lead to different nose shape. Abraham Lincoln's nose changed shape significantly as his term in office stress aged him.

[GoldenGail3]

A decade isn't nearly enough to justify it.
The man has aged 30 years in just 14/15 year

It's been fourteen/fifteen years sense Origins, sense at the beginning of DAI, twelve years has pasted sense the time of DAO.

[Tamyn]

It's been fourteen/fifteen years sense Origins, sense at the beginning of DAI, twelve years has pasted sense the time of DAO.

 

And Teagan already looked 40-something in DA:O.

 

Loghain since then got a face lift and rhinoplasty.

[Panda]

I'm mostly dumbfounded by Teagan's hate towards Wardens. It's like someone has brain-washed him with blood magic. Alistair is Warden for god sakes and in many playthroughs he's king of Ferelden so why is Teagan bad-mouthing Alistair and king of Ferelden? Has he already forgotten how Grey Wardens helped him out in Redcliffe and saved whole village from certain doom, has he forgotten how thankful he was? Has he forgotten how Grey Wardens beat Loghain and united everyone against blight and saved Ferelden from certain doom? Has he forgotten how Hero of the Ferelden is Grey Warden?

 

So what if Grey Wardens plotted overthrown some king ages ago, Teagan didn't live then, but he sure lived and witnessed how Grey Wardens, including king of Ferelden, saved everyone. Seriously Alistair should throw him to Mabaris over heresy.

 

Seriously it's like Bioware broke the whole character with Trespasser appearance, it's like someone who never played DAO and knows nothing about DAO wrote his character in Trespasser.

[BraveVesperia]

It's similar to when Alistair and Zevran turned up in DA2, looking like completely different people. A bit of age (in their case, only a few years) doesn't lead to your facial structure changing. That said, so did Leliana's.

[Cribbian]

Poor T-Gun 

[Andromelek]

"Teagan deserved more" /badjoke

[Former_Fiend]

I'm mostly dumbfounded by Teagan's hate towards Wardens. It's like someone has brain-washed him with blood magic. Alistair is Warden for god sakes and in many playthroughs he's king of Ferelden so why is Teagan bad-mouthing Alistair and king of Ferelden? Has he already forgotten how Grey Wardens helped him out in Redcliffe and saved whole village from certain doom, has he forgotten how thankful he was? Has he forgotten how Grey Wardens beat Loghain and united everyone against blight and saved Ferelden from certain doom? Has he forgotten how Hero of the Ferelden is Grey Warden?

 

So what if Grey Wardens plotted overthrown some king ages ago, Teagan didn't live then, but he sure lived and witnessed how Grey Wardens, including king of Ferelden, saved everyone. Seriously Alistair should throw him to Mabaris over heresy.

 

Seriously it's like Bioware broke the whole character with Trespasser appearance, it's like someone who never played DAO and knows nothing about DAO wrote his character in Trespasser.

 

Mind you, I haven't seen the conversation in question, but it might be that he's grandstanding to make a point more so than spouting his personal beliefs.

[Arvaarad]

I'm mostly dumbfounded by Teagan's hate towards Wardens. It's like someone has brain-washed him with blood magic. Alistair is Warden for god sakes and in many playthroughs he's king of Ferelden so why is Teagan bad-mouthing Alistair and king of Ferelden? Has he already forgotten how Grey Wardens helped him out in Redcliffe and saved whole village from certain doom, has he forgotten how thankful he was? Has he forgotten how Grey Wardens beat Loghain and united everyone against blight and saved Ferelden from certain doom? Has he forgotten how Hero of the Ferelden is Grey Warden?

So what if Grey Wardens plotted overthrown some king ages ago, Teagan didn't live then, but he sure lived and witnessed how Grey Wardens, including king of Ferelden, saved everyone. Seriously Alistair should throw him to Mabaris over heresy.

Seriously it's like Bioware broke the whole character with Trespasser appearance, it's like someone who never played DAO and knows nothing about DAO wrote his character in Trespasser.

The Wardens tried to stage a coup on one of the Fereldan monarchs in the Storm Age. It's why Ferelden had such an uneasy relationship with the Wardens at the start of DA:O. They'd just been allowed back into the country.

Getting help from two specific wardens doesn't reverse that history. Alistair and the Hero were both fresh recruits. Nothing they did can be considered representative of the Wardens as a whole - they barely met the other Wardens and were making things up as they went along. Other than the Joining, they had little in common with the big, meddling order that we see in The Calling and in Inquisition. Like Ranier, all Alistair and the Hero knew was the ideal.

[Panda]

The Wardens tried to stage a coup on one of the Fereldan monarchs in the Storm Age. It's why Ferelden had such an uneasy relationship with the Wardens at the start of DA:O. They'd just been allowed back into the country.

Getting help from two specific wardens doesn't reverse that history. Alistair and the Hero were both fresh recruits. Nothing they did can be considered representative of the Wardens as a whole - they barely met the other Wardens and were making things up as they went along. Other than the Joining, they had little in common with the big, meddling order that we see in The Calling and in Inquisition. Like Ranier, all Alistair and the Hero knew was the ideal.

 

There was quite big crisis in the Ferelden and whole country was saved by Grey Wardens. There is also likely one or two Grey Warden leading whole country and it's not usually good to speak bad about your Monarch, especially if you are supposed to represent your country to other countries and powers. It's not good to disregard your Hero like that either.

 

And there was Awakening also so it's not only two grey wardens that are in the Ferelden, there is Grey Warden order build again by Hero of Ferelden in Vigil's Keep that has monarcs blessings.

[TheKomandorShepard]

HoF/Alistair ≠ Grey warden order... it is astonishing how many people think that Teagan is not allowed to say bad world about Grey Warden order because HoF helped him not as action of order but of one individual ,as well you could judge galactic empire by actions of 1 kind stormtrooper that acted on their own.   

[Fredward]

It's the hat, it's stealing his lifeforce. Soon it will suck him dry and move on to other fashionably challenged victims. Eventually it will find Solas who has already shown a proclivity for dubious headware and suck him dry. Ugly Hat will be our saviour in DA4 but our ultimate nemesis in DA5 as she seeks to create a world in which everyone wears terrible hats all the time.

[GoldenGail3]

HoF/Alistair ≠ Grey warden order... it is astonishing how many people think that Teagan is not allowed to say bad world about Grey Warden order because HoF helped him not as action of order but of one individual ,as well you could judge galactic empire by actions of 1 kind stormtrooper that acted on their own.

Awakening. That's all I have to say, is Awakening.

[Sifr]

Some grow old. Others grow distinguished. 

 

Loghain has always been a DILF.

 

Teagan has sadly become a Dud.

 

[Gervaise]

Marriage obviously didn't agree with him.    He was dragged around to various functions by Isolde; enough to prematurely age anyone (look at Eamon) and then sent to be ambassador to Orlais (he surely didn't deserve that).   Finally, he gets persuaded by his nephew/Anora to let the rebel mages have sanctuary in his castle and they signed up with a Tevinter Magister and kick him out.     Life has not been good to Teagan.   Probably why he has something of a chip on his shoulder.     Still thought he was an ungrateful bastard but there you go.    When my Wardens hear, they'll have a few choice things to say to him.    To think  I actually flirted with the guy.

[Dabrikishaw]

Teagan also appears in Masked Empire, as the Fereldan ambassador to Orlais. While he's there, Gaspard and his bard try their damnedest to insult Ferelden at every turn, to great approval of the court. It's clear they want to provoke hostilities, or better yet, push Ferelden into provoking hostilities.

Celene's quick thinking de-escalates the situation, but the more warmongering chevaliers are very upset at her actions. Orlais occupied Ferelden until very, very recently (the occupation ended during Teagan's lifetime). He'd only have to make a few visits to Orlais to make it abundantly clear that they want it back, and soon.

So that's what Teagan's been doing in the lead-up to Inquisition. Now he's sitting on an Exalted Council, in Orlais, next to an Orlesian delegate who clearly wants the Inquisition's army under their leash. And why wouldn't he try? The Inquisition's been far more involved with Orlesian nobles than Ferelden's, courting allies and striking deals. If it looks like cheese, smells like cheese, and all of its friends are cheese, it's probably an Orlesian organization. So Teagan has plenty of reasons to distrust this Inquisition.

I never said Teagan didn't have any reasons. 

 

My point was the backlash would be nonexistent if these opinions had come from an NPC that wasn't as beloved as Teagan was. 

[QueenPurpleScrap]

Sophia Dryden was not the only Warden-Commander of Ferelden in all those centuries before she took over. That's a lot of service to be discarded because of one woman. Especially one who only became a Warden because of the king in question who probably kicked himself because she, a popular political rival, didn't die in the Joining as he hoped. Teagan's rantings are not exactly buttressed by the fact that, with or without troops, the Orlesian Wardens didn't come after Loghain told them not to. Except for Riordan, whose mission was fairly minor. Names of the dead, important Warden papers and supplies, a better sense of the Blight and how it was being dealt with.

 

I will say that I should have half-expected Teagan's actions (if not his appearance). Remember the letter from Clarel to Arl Teagan Guerrin? She's asking for permission to help the Wardens rebuild in Ferelden and he won't answer her letters or meet with her.

[Former_Fiend]

Sophia Dryden was not the only Warden-Commander of Ferelden in all those centuries before she took over. That's a lot of service to be discarded because of one woman. Especially one who only became a Warden because of the king in question who probably kicked himself because she, a popular political rival, didn't die in the Joining as he hoped. Teagan's rantings are not exactly buttressed by the fact that, with or without troops, the Orlesian Wardens didn't come after Loghain told them not to. Except for Riordan, whose mission was fairly minor. Names of the dead, important Warden papers and supplies, a better sense of the Blight and how it was being dealt with.

 

I will say that I should have half-expected Teagan's actions (if not his appearance). Remember the letter from Clarel to Arl Teagan Guerrin? She's asking for permission to help the Wardens rebuild in Ferelden and he won't answer her letters or meet with her.

 

Entropy is the natural state of the universe. Takes less effort to tear something down than it does to build something up. That includes relationships and reputations; we see this all the time in the real world, with people who have years of good service under their belt being disgraced after a single scandal.

[Sifr]

Awakening. That's all I have to say, is Awakening.

 

Teagan might have been more justified if it was mentioned his real issue with the Wardens was either;

 

Outrage that the Warden-Commander might have burned Amarathine to the ground all those years ago, or plain resentment that Redcliffe's place as one of the most powerful arlings in Ferelden was slowly getting usurped due to the excellent stewardship of the Amarathine under the Grey Wardens.

 

DA2 even mentioned that a rescued Amarathine had become a major power on the Waking Sea, to the point it was even challenging Kirkwall as a major trading hub, so I could totally picture Teagan as being rather envious that no-one's talking about Redcliffe anymore.

[GoldenGail3]

Teagan might have been more justified if it was mentioned his real issue with the Wardens was either;
 
Outrage that the Warden-Commander might have burned Amarathine to the ground all those years ago, or plain resentment that Redcliffe's place as one of the most powerful arlings in Ferelden was slowly getting usurped due to the excellent stewardship of the Amarathine under the Grey Wardens.
 
DA2 even mentioned that a rescued Amarathine had become a major power on the Waking Sea, to the point it was even challenging Kirkwall as a major trading hub, so I could totally picture Teagan as being rather envious that no-one's talking about Redcliffe anymore.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sense my Queen Cousland saved Amarathine with a fully upgraded keep. So yeah.... He can be restenful at her.

[Ashagar]

That would be nice though it doesn't explain why he looks just like Arl Howe with a hat on and nothing like his brother... makes me wonder about his parentage. Well either that or Howe turned himself into a demon and possessed Teagan because he deserved more.