Teagan's grouchiness seems to be shared by everyone from Redcliffe in Inquisition. Seriously, they either complain about the rebellion or talk about the bad old days when the dead rose to attack them... they've turned into a right bunch of cheery folk, eh?
Awakening. That's all I have to say, is Awakening.
You mean that once again 1 warden (HoF) going on adventure to save the day with bunch of random guys that s/he can recruit?
You mean that once again 1 warden (HoF) going on adventure to save the day with bunch of random guys that s/he can recruit?
It's more about how the crown gave the grey wardens the arling of Amaranthine to rebuild the Ferelden Branch of the order and this turned out to be a great idea with several positive results. No complaints here. Yet, Teagan believes that the Inquisition wants to grab territory because they occupied a neglected castle that was infested with bandits.
HoF/Alistair ≠ Grey warden order... it is astonishing how many people think that Teagan is not allowed to say bad world about Grey Warden order because HoF helped him not as action of order but of one individual ,as well you could judge galactic empire by actions of 1 kind stormtrooper that acted on their own.
Still makes him a hypocrite, he stepped over the line by bad-mouthing the wardens without justification. 2 Wardens are still part of the Order and still saved his family, his own life and the country. Tempering your tone with some gratitude and awareness isn't hard.
Also the so-called Warden Coup that led to their exile was actually a revolt against a tyrant king that many Ferelden nobles including the Teryn of Highever asked for and supported. Even if this isn't public knowledge, nothing has happened in recent history for Teagan to be justified in his bad-mouthing of the wardens. Even the Orlesian warden situation wouldn't be valid considering that those wardens were being deceived and manipulated by a Darkspawn Magister and a Nightmare Demon.
It's not that Teagan is being a critic per-say, it's that he's being largely unreasonable, idiotic and off-base about his criticisms in huge contrast to the firm, but reasonable man that he was in Origins.
You mean that once again 1 warden (HoF) going on adventure to save the day with bunch of random guys that s/he can recruit?
That one Warden Commander? Oh wait, it's their job to recruit new Grey Wardens. And becuase they are a WARDEN COMMANDER. Either Orlaisain, or Ferelden, they retain both title and a land.
It's more about how the crown gave the grey wardens the arling of Amaranthine to rebuild the Ferelden Branch of the order and this turned out to be a great idea with several positive results. No complaints here. Yet, Teagan believes that the Inquisition wants to grab territory because they occupied a neglected castle that was infested with bandits.
Still makes him a hypocrite, he stepped over the line by bad-mouthing the wardens without justification. 2 Wardens are still part of the Order and still saved his family, his own life and the country. Tempering your tone with some gratitude and awareness isn't hard.
Also the so-called Warden Coup that led to their exile was actually a revolt against a tyrant king that many Ferelden nobles including the Teryn of Highever asked for and supported. Even if this isn't public knowledge, nothing has happened in recent history for Teagan to be justified in his bad-mouthing of the wardens. Even the Orlesian warden situation wouldn't be valid considering that those wardens were being deceived and manipulated by a Darkspawn Magister and a Nightmare Demon.
It's not that Teagan is being a critic per-say, it's that he's being largely unreasonable, idiotic and off-base about his criticisms in huge contrast to the firm, but reasonable man that he was in Origins.
1.What is point lol? Crown gave wardens amaranthine so they can to rebuild in ferelden , inquisition took ferelden stronghold without ferelden permission and pretty much inquistion forces stationed in ferelden without permission , avoiding that pretty much oragnisation goal was long achieved.
2.Absolutely not ,he bad-mouthed grey wardens for good reason unless grey wardens invading ferelden is no reason to say bad word about grey warden order... Also your logic is ridiculous that kind stormtrooper saved my family doesn't mean that i need to praise or i can't say bad world about galatic empire... He owed that HoF as once again it was individual kindness not institutional operation...
Tyrant or not , they invaded ferelden and are example of independent organisation that went against ferelden.
He is resonable ,pretty much things he says are correct and things he said were even reassured through dlc ,as for being pr*** probably just acting to ensure that inqusition is disolved what was in ferelden best intrest , so he was pretty much doing his job.
That one Warden Commander? Oh wait, it's their job to recruit new Grey Wardens. And becuase they are a WARDEN COMMANDER. Either Orlaisain, or Ferelden, they retain both title and a land.
That one warden commander , that had no wardens under command and once again he had to do everything alone with bunch of buys s/he meets during story?
1.What is point lol? Crown gave wardens amaranthine so they can to rebuild in ferelden , inquisition took ferelden stronghold without ferelden permission and pretty much inquistion forces stationed in ferelden without permission , avoiding that pretty much oragnisation goal was long achieved.
2.LoL absolutely not he bad-mouthed grey wardens for good reason unless grey wardens invading ferelden is no reason to say bad word about grey warden order... Also your logic is ridiculous that kind stormtrooper save my family doesn't mean that i need to praise or i can't say bad world about galatic empire... He owed that HoF as once again it was individual kindness not institutional operation...
Tyrant or not , they invaded ferelden and are example of independent organisation that went against ferelden.
He is resonable ,pretty much things he says are correct and things he says are even reassured through dlc as for being pr*** probably just acting to ensure that inqusition is disolved what was in ferelden best intrest , so he was pretty much doing his job.
That one warden commander , that had no wardens under command and once again he had to do everything alone with bunch of buys s/he meets during story?
They do. The ones they rectrured are there Wardens. And Wessuapt sends a Anders woman to you, to ensure you that the First Warden is most defently wanting your progress.
They do. The ones they rectrured are there Wardens. And Wessuapt sends a Anders woman to you, to ensure you that the First Warden is most defently wanting your progress.
Eee, no? All wardens by point you get to the keep are dead and you need to resolve crisis without grey wardens help all you get is amaranthine forces (as Arl of Amaranthine) and companions you can recruit on your own during game ,also woman is treasurer not grey warden.
Eee, no? All wardens by point you get to the keep are dead and you need to resolve crisis without grey wardens help all you get is amaranthine forces (as Arl of Amaranthine) and companions you can recruit on your own during game ,also woman is treasurer not grey warden.
Well, they still go through the Joining yes? And or/as Arlessa, you are Warden Commander of the Grey, so eveything your saying is that one that has a GW title is doesn't get GW help? That doesn't make much sense, as a player of Awakening, the ENTIRE game was about the Grey Wardens. and that Woman was still sent by the First Warden to help you, just becuase she's a Teasurer, doesn't make it less valid. She's still was sent to you by the First Warden. And tell me, when you keep the Archiet alive, doesn't it get noticed by the other GW Commanders? Tell me, are they invald? Should we cancel them out? No, they have your title, they're still GW and they all rectruit without the power of Wessuapt, as the GW's Commanders are often mini city states ruled alone by the GW Commander. We're seeing this in Awakening, as Amarathine is basically one of those city states of the Grey.
Well, they still go through the Joining yes? And or/as Arlessa, you are Warden Commander of the Grey, so eveything your saying is that one that has a GW title is doesn't get GW help? That doesn't make much sense, as a player of Awakening, the ENTIRE game was about the Grey Wardens. and that Woman was still sent by the First Warden to help you, just becuase she's a Teasurer, doesn't make it less valid. She's still was sent to you by the First Warden. And tell me, when you keep the Archiet alive, doesn't it get noticed by the other GW Commanders? Tell me, are they invald? Should we cancel them out? No, they have your title, they're still GW and they all rectruit without the power of Wessuapt, as the GW's Commanders are often mini city states ruled alone by the GW Commander. We're seeing this in Awakening, as Amarathine is basically one of those city states of the Grey.
Yes , they do have to go through the joining (well, in fact they don't have to 
) but they are fresh recruits and you have to recruit them on your own so pretty much no order contribution once again outside sending treasurer. Eee no? Once again you are 1 individual warden who did job without help from order. in fact being WC is pointless in first place in this game as only thing it contributes is putting companions through joining what isn't necessary in first place ,pretty much take away WC status from HoF and leave Arl of Amaranthine and we will have same result. As for treasurer , as i said she isn't grey warden she might be send by first warden but that doesn't make her grey warden...
LoL what does that another grey warden don't like ,FWC sparing Architect to do with fact FWC solved problem without order help? I just want to point to you that another WC have a lot wardens under them (see Clarel where we cleary see institutional effort of grey wardens instead actions of 1 or few individuals...)
1.What is point lol? Crown gave wardens amaranthine so they can to rebuild in ferelden , inquisition took ferelden stronghold without ferelden permission and pretty much inquistion forces stationed in ferelden without permission , avoiding that pretty much oragnisation goal was long achieved.
2.Absolutely not ,he bad-mouthed grey wardens for good reason unless grey wardens invading ferelden is no reason to say bad word about grey warden order... Also your logic is ridiculous that kind stormtrooper saved my family doesn't mean that i need to praise or i can't say bad world about galatic empire... He owed that HoF as once again it was individual kindness not institutional operation...
Tyrant or not , they invaded ferelden and are example of independent organisation that went against ferelden.
He is resonable ,pretty much things he says are correct and things he said were even reassured through dlc ,as for being pr*** probably just acting to ensure that inqusition is disolved what was in ferelden best intrest , so he was pretty much doing his job.
That one warden commander , that had no wardens under command and once again he had to do everything alone with bunch of buys s/he meets during story?
1. The nefarious wardens were given an entire arling as thanks for their efforts and yet Teagan never says a word. Now he wants to badmouth the Inquisition for "seizing" a defunct fortress that was under no one's control or jurisdiction and was a hive of banditry and crime? They're also going to wait two years to decide to give the Inquisition crap for taking the fortress even though they're using that fortress to protect trade and travelers?
If this is such a big issue, why didn't Ferelden demand the fortress' return back in 9:42 or better yet, why didn't they send troops to clear out their own fortress themselves? The Inquisitor and 3 other people cleared out that place single-handedly, Ferelden could've spared a 100 troops to do the same and yet, they did nothing and now they want to complain?
My point is that it's nonsense for Teagan to consider Caer Bronach a bad mark against the Inquisition considering that the results of the acquisition have been nothing but positive considering the status quo and that Ferelden itself did nothing when nothing indicates that it couldn't do anything itself. And they want the Inquisition to disband because it's inconvenient? It's nonsense all around and Ferelden has far too easily forgotten what it owes to the Inquisition.
A more logical argument would be for Ferelden to want the Inquisition to return Caer Bronach in exchange for a reasonable compensation for costs of renovation, upkeep and bandit killing and request that the Inquisition downsizes to Skyhold (which is in the Frostback mountains and not within any national border). But to disband entirely based on unfounded fears of expansionism and with a tone of arrogance and dis-gratitude? Any validity to Teagan's argument is lost because he's wildly off-base and using that nonsense to suggest disbanding entirely as though no good ever came of the Inquisition.
2. Again, responding to a request for aid against a tyrant king is not an invasion. That also happened 200 years ago and nothing in recent times has occurred to justify Teagan's recent distrust, hostility and mud-slinging of the Grey Wardens. (For many obvious and now public reasons, Clarel's wardens don't count)
Individuals or not, the Wardens still saved his country and were only in low numbers because of Ostagar where the rest of the Ferelden wardens died protecting his country. Teagan in Origins understood this and respected it enough to call bs on Loghain's attempts to blame the Warden's for Cailan's death and put bounties on the survivors heads.
This fool whose named Teagan? He can save his own self the next time that he's booted from Redcliffe since he's forgotten that Redcliffe is only safe and in his hands again thanks to the Wardens and the Inquisition. But if this is how he'll treat the people who help him and his country? He's on his own next time around and that'll be his fault alone.
To summarize: Being wary of the Inquisition is one thing and wanting to keep it out of Orlais' control is a valid objective. But demanding that the Inquisition disband entirely under unwarranted fears of expansion based on the Caer Bronach episode is over-reaching and baseless considering the entire context. Badmouthing the wardens as part of his argument is unfounded, wildly off-base and hypocritical considering that the Wardens both own land in Ferelden and saved Ferelden in recent times with the only relevant episode of "Warden power-abuse" being very much more grey and justified than Teagan is making out to be.
Even if the truth about Soldier's Peak is only player knowledge, that's just one of several aspects that makes him seem like he's more full of s%$^ and is a farcry from the firm, but reasonable and honorable Teagan that we saw in Origins. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like Teagan was written and designed by someone who never played Origins and that's why he's such an unreasonable jerk whose almost an ironic caricature of Loghain and Howe.
1. The nefarious wardens were given an entire arling as thanks for their efforts and yet Teagan never says a word. Now he wants to badmouth the Inquisition for "seizing" a defunct fortress that was under no one's control or jurisdiction and was a hive of banditry and crime? They're also going to wait two years to decide to give the Inquisition crap for taking the fortress even though they're using that fortress to protect trade and travelers?
If this is such a big issue, why didn't Ferelden demand the fortress' return back in 9:42 or better yet, why didn't they send troops to clear out their own fortress themselves? The Inquisitor and 3 other people cleared out that place single-handedly, Ferelden could've spared a 100 troops to do the same and yet, they did nothing and now they want to complain?
My point is that it's nonsense for Teagan to consider Caer Bronach a bad mark against the Inquisition considering that the results of the acquisition have been nothing but positive considering the status quo and that Ferelden itself did nothing when nothing indicates that it couldn't do anything itself. And they want the Inquisition to disband because it's inconvenient? It's nonsense all around and Ferelden has far too easily forgotten what it owes to the Inquisition.
A more logical argument would be for Ferelden to want the Inquisition to return Caer Bronach in exchange for a reasonable compensation for costs of renovation, upkeep and bandit killing and request that the Inquisition downsizes to Skyhold (which is in the Frostback mountains and not within any national border). But to disband entirely based on unfounded fears of expansionism and with a tone of arrogance and dis-gratitude? Any validity to Teagan's argument is lost because he's wildly off-base and using that nonsense to suggest disbanding entirely as though no good ever came of the Inquisition.
2. Again, responding to a request for aid against a tyrant king is not an invasion. That also happened 200 years ago and nothing in recent times has occurred to justify Teagan's recent distrust, hostility and mud-slinging of the Grey Wardens. (For many obvious and now public reasons, Clarel's wardens don't count)
Individuals or not, the Wardens still saved his country and were only in low numbers because of Ostagar where the rest of the Ferelden wardens died protecting his country. Teagan in Origins understood this and respected it enough to call bs on Loghain's attempts to blame the Warden's for Cailan's death and put bounties on the survivors heads.
This fool whose named Teagan? He can save his own self the next time that he's booted from Redcliffe since he's forgotten that Redcliffe is only safe and in his hands again thanks to the Wardens and the Inquisition. But if this is how he'll treat the people who help him and his country? He's on his own next time around and that'll be his fault alone.
To summarize: Being wary of the Inquisition is one thing and wanting to keep it out of Orlais' control is a valid objective. But demanding that the Inquisition disband entirely under unwarranted fears of expansion based on the Caer Bronach episode is over-reaching and baseless considering the entire context. Badmouthing the wardens as part of his argument is unfounded, wildly off-base and hypocritical considering that the Wardens both own land in Ferelden and saved Ferelden in recent times with the only relevant episode of "Warden power-abuse" being very much more grey and justified than Teagan is making out to be.
Even if the truth about Soldier's Peak is only player knowledge, that's just one of several aspects that makes him seem like he's more full of s%$^ and is a farcry from the firm, but reasonable and honorable Teagan that we saw in Origins. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like Teagan was written and designed by someone who never played Origins and that's why he's such an unreasonable jerk whose almost an ironic caricature of Loghain and Howe.
1. The nefarious wardens were given an entire arling as thanks for their efforts and yet Teagan never says a word. Now he wants to badmouth the Inquisition for "seizing" a defunct fortress that was under no one's control or jurisdiction and was a hive of banditry and crime? They're also going to wait two years to decide to give the Inquisition crap for taking the fortress even though they're using that fortress to protect trade and travelers?
If this is such a big issue, why didn't Ferelden demand the fortress' return back in 9:42 or better yet, why didn't they send troops to clear out their own fortress themselves? The Inquisitor and 3 other people cleared out that place single-handedly, Ferelden could've spared a 100 troops to do the same and yet, they did nothing and now they want to complain?
My point is that it's nonsense for Teagan to consider Caer Bronach a bad mark against the Inquisition considering that the results of the acquisition have been nothing but positive considering the status quo and that Ferelden itself did nothing when nothing indicates that it couldn't do anything itself. And they want the Inquisition to disband because it's inconvenient? It's nonsense all around and Ferelden has far too easily forgotten what it owes to the Inquisition.
A more logical argument would be for Ferelden to want the Inquisition to return Caer Bronach in exchange for a reasonable compensation for costs of renovation, upkeep and bandit killing and request that the Inquisition downsizes to Skyhold (which is in the Frostback mountains and not within any national border). But to disband entirely based on unfounded fears of expansionism and with a tone of arrogance and dis-gratitude? Any validity to Teagan's argument is lost because he's wildly off-base and using that nonsense to suggest disbanding entirely as though no good ever came of the Inquisition.
2. Again, responding to a request for aid against a tyrant king is not an invasion. That also happened 200 years ago and nothing in recent times has occurred to justify Teagan's recent distrust, hostility and mud-slinging of the Grey Wardens. (For many obvious and now public reasons, Clarel's wardens don't count)
Individuals or not, the Wardens still saved his country and were only in low numbers because of Ostagar where the rest of the Ferelden wardens died protecting his country. Teagan in Origins understood this and respected it enough to call bs on Loghain's attempts to blame the Warden's for Cailan's death and put bounties on the survivors heads.
This fool whose named Teagan? He can save his own self the next time that he's booted from Redcliffe since he's forgotten that Redcliffe is only safe and in his hands again thanks to the Wardens and the Inquisition. But if this is how he'll treat the people who help him and his country? He's on his own next time around and that'll be his fault alone.
To summarize: Being wary of the Inquisition is one thing and wanting to keep it out of Orlais' control is a valid objective. But demanding that the Inquisition disband entirely under unwarranted fears of expansion based on the Caer Bronach episode is over-reaching and baseless considering the entire context. Badmouthing the wardens as part of his argument is unfounded, wildly off-base and hypocritical considering that the Wardens both own land in Ferelden and saved Ferelden in recent times with the only relevant episode of "Warden power-abuse" being very much more grey and justified than Teagan is making out to be.
Even if the truth about Soldier's Peak is only player knowledge, that's just one of several aspects that makes him seem like he's more full of s%$^ and is a farcry from the firm, but reasonable and honorable Teagan that we saw in Origins. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like Teagan was written and designed by someone who never played Origins and that's why he's such an unreasonable jerk whose almost an ironic caricature of Loghain and Howe.
1.Why he should say a word (and once again it wasn't grey warden order effort only HoF effort), do you seriously fail to grasp difference between giving something to someone and someone taking something without consent? Foreign force seizing control over land on territory of the country without country consent is serious thing (any sane country would treat it as hostile act).Eee, except it took two years to convene the council thanks to divine victoria efforts to prelong it for 2 years?
And how do you know they didn't? I don't know why they didn't send forces to kill bandits, but it is doesn't matter as inqusition still seized control over ferelden land without its consent , now you are being ridiculous and complaing "How they dare have a isssue with that i have seized control over their land on territory of their country!"
LoL, you fail to grasp bigger picture (reasons why ferelden wants inquisition disbaned) seizing control over ferelden keep without their consent is only part of the problem (as in fact it is optional) and argument (pretty good one) that inquisition is ready to seize ferelden land when it suits them.Positive for who inquisition or ferelden because once again foreign force seizing control over lands without its consent in your country is hardly positive thing for a country. Except they didn't Teagan cleary says he is grateful for what inquisition did but that doesn't mean he will put up with everything you do and ignore that inqusition is threat for Ferelden ,as in fact further into dlc further it proves that Teagan concerns were legitmate.So no, it goes beyond that as you claim ferelden being angry about inquisition seizing control over their keep ,as in first place taking control over keep is optional.
As above , i pretty much have pointed that most you have said here is inaccurate as ferelden wasn't ungrateful only had legitmate issues with inquisition that were proven to be correct.
2.Eee justification or a cause won't make it not an invasion either way external force attacked ferelden authorities.LoL, so what it was 200 years ago Teagan uses it as an example of independent organisation trying to seize control in ferelden comparing it to inquisition , that it was 200 years ago doesn't make it not legitmate example.Also once again you fail to understand situation, that he points crap that grey wardens did in past in ferelden and compares it to what inquisition is doing doesn't not mean he hates grey warden order (of course it also doesn't mean he doesn't) unless you want to tell me you are not allowed bring up negative things that wardens did unless you hate them.Also why he can't hate grey warden order for what clarel and grey wardens did as institution but he should praise grey warden order to heavens because of that 1 individual warden individually helped Teagan .
Also it does matter because once again Ferelden and Teagan owes it to Individual warden (HoF) not an institution that didn't do jack to contribute (oh,sorry they send riordan and that is about it) to accomplishments of said individual.
And once again Redcliff was saved by Hof , an individual warden without order support not an institution so i don't see reason to him praise order for that.As for inquisition he is as i said grateful for help but you and some people live in ridiculous conviction that if you did something for someone that person is not allowed to criticize your actions and have put up with everything you do , i already have explained briefly Ferelden issues with inquisition and that they were legitmate.
They were not baseless unless you are well to be nice "idealistic" because once again inquisition is foreign force that keeps its forces in ferelden , is interfering with the country matters ,acts as they are above country law and even seizes control over ferelden land without ferelden consent and to make it worse nation they are in tense relations wants to take control over inquisition what would pretty much screw over ferelden , avoding fact that inquisition fulfilled their purpose...
As for grey warden order once again it was not an instituion but HoF who helped so once again he doesn't need to be grateful to order only HoF and people that contributed to his/her success.
Do i have to remind you how Teagan acted toward Loghain attempt to seize control over ferelden ,despite Loghain part in liberation of ferelden? So , no it wasn't out off character only fact that inquisitor and Teagan are opposite sides of conflict.
1.Why he should say a word (and once again it wasn't grey warden order effort only HoF effort), do you seriously fail to grasp difference between giving something to someone and someone taking something without consent? Foreign force seizing control over land on territory of the country without country consent is serious thing (any sane country would treat it as hostile act).Eee, except it took two years to convene the council thanks to divine victoria efforts to prelong it for 2 years?
And how do you know they didn't? I don't know why they didn't send forces to kill bandits, but it is doesn't matter as inqusition still seized control over ferelden land without its consent , now you are being ridiculous and complaing "How they dare have a isssue with that i have seized control over their land on territory of their country!"
LoL, you fail to grasp bigger picture (reasons why ferelden wants inquisition disbaned) seizing control over ferelden keep without their consent is only part of the problem (as in fact it is optional) and argument (pretty good one) that inquisition is ready to seize ferelden land when it suits them.Positive for who inquisition or ferelden because once again foreign force seizing control over lands without its consent in your country is hardly positive thing for a country. Except they didn't Teagan cleary says he is grateful for what inquisition did but that doesn't mean he will put up with everything you do and ignore that inqusition is threat for Ferelden ,as in fact further into dlc further it proves that Teagan concerns were legitmate.So no, it goes beyond that as you claim ferelden being angry about inquisition seizing control over their keep ,as in first place taking control over keep is optional.
As above , i pretty much have pointed that most you have said here is inaccurate as ferelden wasn't ungrateful only had legitmate issues with inquisition that were proven to be correct.
2.Eee justification or a cause won't make it not an invasion either way external force attacked ferelden authorities.LoL, so what it was 200 years ago Teagan uses it as an example of independent organisation trying to seize control in ferelden comparing it to inquisition , that it was 200 years ago doesn't make it not legitmate example.Also once again you fail to understand situation, that he points crap that grey wardens did in past in ferelden and compares it to what inquisition is doing doesn't not mean he hates grey warden order (of course it also doesn't mean he doesn't) unless you want to tell me you are not allowed bring up negative things that wardens did unless you hate them.Also why he can't hate grey warden order for what clarel and grey wardens did as institution but he should praise grey warden order to heavens because of that 1 individual warden individually helped Teagan .
Also it does matter because once again Ferelden and Teagan owes it to Individual warden (HoF) not an institution that didn't do jack to contribute (oh,sorry they send riordan and that is about it) to accomplishments of said individual.
And once again Redcliff was saved by Hof , an individual warden without order support not an institution so i don't see reason to him praise order for that.As for inquisition he is as i said grateful for help but you and some people live in ridiculous conviction that if you did something for someone that person is not allowed to criticize your actions and have put up with everything you do , i already have explained briefly Ferelden issues with inquisition and that they were legitmate.
They were not baseless unless you are well to be nice "idealistic" because once again inquisition is foreign force that keeps its forces in ferelden , is interfering with the country matters ,acts as they are above country law and even seizes control over ferelden land without ferelden consent and to make it worse nation they are in tense relations wants to take control over inquisition what would pretty much screw over ferelden , avoding fact that inquisition fulfilled their purpose...
As for grey warden order once again it was not an instituion but HoF who helped so once again he doesn't need to be grateful to order only HoF and people that contributed to his/her success.
Do i have to remind you how Teagan acted toward Loghain attempt to seize control over ferelden ,despite Loghain part in liberation of ferelden? So , no it wasn't out off character only fact that inquisitor and Teagan are opposite sides of conflict.
Teagan's revolt against Loghain was pretty legit considering the context of that situation.
Here? Not so much despite your constant assertions that I don't understand the situation. I understand it perfectly. The Inquisition is inconvenient despite the beneficial results of it's existence and actions and Orlais/Ferelden want them dealt with so that they don't threaten their precious status quo. There is a valid point somewhere in Teagan's arguments, but they fall flat in light of his delivery, the fact that Ferelden has only benefited from the Inquisition's actions rather than suffered, and baseless/insulting/hypocritical comparison to the Wardens (Who are now vital trade partners in Amaranthine).
Caer Bronach's seizure from bandits did the Crown a favor and if they want the castle back? Fine, it's technically their's anyway and they're welcome to actually man and maintain it rather than let highwaymen occupy it when on vacation. But don't misconstrue the situation as the Inquisition seizing power and threatening Ferelden when their actions were done to save Ferelden and guess what? It worked. Ferelden benefited and it's trade routes were further secured. But now that they're inconvenienced, they want the Inquisition to disband entirely? Actions speak louder than words and it's pretty clear that Ferelden has all too easily forgotten just how much they owe the Inquisition. Calling for a downsizing is reasonable, but disbanding entirely based on groundless accusations of threatening Ferelden and seizing power to Ferelden's detriment? That's a plain lie.
In short, Teagan so full of it that any validity to his argument is lost and he's essentially an obstructive bureaucrat. Again, a farcry from Teagan in Origins who was way more amiable and reasonable even in the most stressed of situations. Ironic that he stood up against Loghain who was acting very much the same way as Teagan is now. Not sure if that's accidental or deliberate, but again, there's a strong indication that Teagan was written by someone who didn't play Origins, so the former wouldn't surprise me.
Of course not, but I was going for a spoiler free title since this topic isn't spoiler-free
However, I could have seen Rendon Howe or his scrawnier brother. Oh Teagan, what have they done to you? Seneschal Bran looks so good in comparison. When I saw Teagan's face in the crowd I had no idea who that weasely faced little man was. I still find it hard to believe that's Teagan, the affable pleasant looking man from DAO and DA2. Now he looks shrunken, all nose and beady eyes under some weird hat.
Then when he started ranting . . . I thought maybe he was channeling Loghain. Ever see one of those late night shows where they show you two celebrities and then a mish mash of what their children would look like? If Loghain and Howe had a child - Trespasser Teagan. I would hope he gets better (I'm not that far into Trespasser) but I've read enough that I'm not counting on it.
Ever since the release of Trespasser (which I haven't reached the point on my current inquisitor to play yet), I've been pretty upset by Teagan's appearance/personality transplant. What little I saw in the trailers (and watching my kid play through it) wasn't encouraging. I kept thinking, "Where did this Arl Howe clone come from" but your descriptive made me giggle. DAI Teagan is the love child of Loghain and Howe.
While the hair textures and styles this game left a lot to be desired, the rest of the CC was amazing, allowing the player to create beautifully rendered characters to play in their world. But apparently they decided to just toss that out the window, close their eyes and press random buttons when creating this eyesore.
It's my understanding his appearance is brief. Gonna chalk it up to him being forced into the politics he hated in Origins and having a really, really mother of a bad day!
Teagan's revolt against Loghain was pretty legit considering the context of that situation.
Here? Not so much despite your constant assertions that I don't understand the situation. I understand it perfectly. The Inquisition is inconvenient despite the beneficial results of it's existence and actions and Orlais/Ferelden want them dealt with so that they don't threaten their precious status quo. There is a valid point somewhere in Teagan's arguments, but they fall flat in light of his delivery, the fact that Ferelden has only benefited from the Inquisition's actions rather than suffered, and baseless/insulting/hypocritical comparison to the Wardens (Who are now vital trade partners in Amaranthine).
Caer Bronach's seizure from bandits did the Crown a favor and if they want the castle back? Fine, it's technically their's anyway and they're welcome to actually man and maintain it rather than let highwaymen occupy it when on vacation. But don't misconstrue the situation as the Inquisition seizing power and threatening Ferelden when their actions were done to save Ferelden and guess what? It worked. Ferelden benefited and it's trade routes were further secured. But now that they're inconvenienced, they want the Inquisition to disband entirely? Actions speak louder than words and it's pretty clear that Ferelden has all too easily forgotten just how much they owe the Inquisition. Calling for a downsizing is reasonable, but disbanding entirely based on groundless accusations of threatening Ferelden and seizing power to Ferelden's detriment? That's a plain lie.
In short, Teagan so full of it that any validity to his argument is lost and he's essentially an obstructive bureaucrat. Again, a farcry from Teagan in Origins who was way more amiable and reasonable even in the most stressed of situations. Ironic that he stood up against Loghain who was acting very much the same way as Teagan is now. Not sure if that's accidental or deliberate, but again, there's a strong indication that Teagan was written by someone who didn't play Origins, so the former wouldn't surprise me.
No it isn't save that loghain was internal party that was trying take over ferelden.
You don't. you utterly fail to compreheand that foreign force seizing land , acting as it is above law and having their forces on the territories of the country is serious matter (even in modern times all it takes is armed forces crossing borders to take it as invasion and start war and that less than that what inquisition did) while you treat it as taking toothbrushe that belongs to your spouse even ridiculously comparing it to country giving someone land... Hardly only benefited when you took its lands while i don't deny that inquisition did a lot for ferelden neither does Tegan as i pointed before doesn't change fact that despite that inquistion was foreign force that was acting on ferelden territory and far more as i said before so simply was threat to ferelden.Also once again it wasn't baseless i explained why last time nor it was hypocritical unless speaking about historical facts about an organisation is hypocritical.
It wasn't favor when you took land for yourself without ferelden consent , and cleary Inquisition didn't return keep to ferelden. Yes they seized control over ferelden land unless you want to call it loan that inquisition took without ferelden permission and cleary didn't intended to return ,and yes when once again foreign power seizes your lands it is pretty clear threat hell as i said even having armed forces in your country can be easily seen as one ,avoiding fact that inquisition acted as they are above country law. Once again you throw word baseless . i don't think you understand what it means or you just use it for effects because it wasn't baseless i already pointed only some of reasons and they are hell of good reasons why they want organisation that fulfilled their goals , showed to be threat and is at risk of corruption and rival country taking control over it gone instead just downgrading it even text that explains decision points that if you won't disban inquisition it is at risk of corruption.
He acted pretty the same like he acted against loghain once again with only difference being little more abrasive but then he was there to push disbaning inquistion so it makes sense he used agressive tactics , and from what i recall loghain was trying to take over ferlden Tegan here on the contrary was acting on behalf of ferelden.
The Inquisition should turn Caer Bronach over to Sutherland and Company. I'm guessing he's Fereldan, since that's where the initial war table mission is. Depending on how you play it, Sutherland could be looking for a keep of his own. An able native son who has proven himself in battle and has a small group of loyal followers seems like a good fit to take over a small keep. Yes, he is obviously going to be friendly to the Inquisition but he would still be an independent voice. Iirc, the dwarves respect him . . . so, bonus.
You know, I've decided to head canon that he is from Crestwood and that's how he knows about these bandits and what they're doing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. At least until I come up with something better.
BTW, what does Teagan say if you didn't take over Caer Bronach?
I think my biggest issue isn't whether or not Teagan has a point that he is possibly exaggerating in the interest of politics (the arguments on both sides have been interesting) but his depiction in both appearance and demeanor. That person in Trespasser has the name and the title, but in no other way resembles the man from the two previous games.
I have now decided to head canon that Teagan never received Clarel's letters, that Venatori agents intercepted them and acted accordingly. Which leads me to another possibility; Venatori who were not discovered by the Inquisition are using blood magic on the man in order to get their nemesis, the Inquisition, disbanded so they can move forward with other plots against the south. *evil laugh*
Incidentally, do we even know who actually is the liege lord of Crestwood itself, because wouldn't the matter of who occupies Caer Bronach actually be something we should take up with him or her?
If Crestwood actually falls in somewhere in Rainsfere or Redcliffe, then Teagan's got every right to want to talk to us about it. But even as Ambassador of Ferelden, unless he was given authority to resolve the property dispute by the owners of Crestwood, does he actually have the authority to hand out an eviction notice for something not in his own domain?
If you didn't take over Caer Bronach, he will complain about the military presence we have in the Hinterlands, which he's entitled to be angry about since it is on his land, but in the matter of Crestwood, unless the Ferelden crown wants him to address it, it doesn't seem like it should be his business to stick his oar in.
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If your idea of saving Ferelden means allying with Howe (possibly even before Ostagar), selling elves to Tevinter, poisoning arls and absolving (possibly aiding) Howe of murdering his fellow teryn, seizing control of the throne without the Landsmeet's consent, slandering the wardens by blaming them for Cailan's death and putting a bounty on the survivors heads when a Blight is banging on their doorstep? Then I'm not sure that pointing out just how wrong and alone that you are would even matter.
It is hypocritical to bash the Wardens as being power hungry after you gave them an arling and yet, you're bashing the Inquisition and calling them war-mongers for occupying an unused castle that you haven't bothered to reclaim yourself. I'm not denying that Dryden's insurrection was a historical fact, merely that the situation was far more grey than Teagan paints it and any player whose played Soldier's Peak would know that. Hence, his comparisons to the wardens in regards to "seizing power" have no validity and again, nothing in recent times can back up this comparison to the wardens and it hurts his position even further.
If they wanted the castle, then take responsibility and take it back yourself rather than bash on the quasi-chantry organization that did you a much needed favor and used the castle to protect your people and your trade routes. If you want the castle back, don't wait two years to demand it back, request the castle back sooner for a reasonable compensation for manpower, upkeep and renovation. Otherwise, it seems that the crown was content to let Caer Bronach be a hive of banditry and robbers who'd use the position to harass Crestwood and anyone else traveling up and down the road.
So yes, Teagan's standpoints are pretty baseless because of his delivery and the flawed arguments that he brings up to try to validate himself. Of course, you're free to believe what you want, but don't insult my intelligence and comprehension just because I'm not lapping up his nonsense. The truth about the corruption and infiltration by qunari and solas don't even help as he had no way of knowing about that and again is only alive from a planned qunari assassination because of the Inquisition's efforts and yet he still calls for complete disbandment.
Once more, Teagan in Origins was much less of a stubborn idiot. If that Teagan were on this council, I'd expect him to make a reasonable argument and back that argument with actual valid points rather than misconstruing beneficial deeds as an attack on sovereignty.
Nope. I stand by my assessment that this person is actually Gamlen Amell using Teagan's name. He thought he could get away with it because they have the same voice, but anyone with eyes can see that this is NOT Teagan! 
If your idea of saving Ferelden means allying with Howe (possibly even before Ostagar), selling elves to Tevinter, poisoning arls and absolving (possibly aiding) Howe of murdering his fellow teryn, seizing control of the throne without the Landsmeet's consent, slandering the wardens by blaming them for Cailan's death and putting a bounty on the survivors heads when a Blight is banging on their doorstep? Then I'm not sure that pointing out just how wrong and alone that you are would even matter.
It is hypocritical to bash the Wardens as being power hungry after you gave them an arling and yet, you're bashing the Inquisition and calling them war-mongers for occupying an unused castle that you haven't bothered to reclaim yourself. I'm not denying that Dryden's insurrection was a historical fact, merely that the situation was far more grey than Teagan paints it and any player whose played Soldier's Peak would know that. Hence, his comparisons to the wardens in regards to "seizing power" have no validity and again, nothing in recent times can back up this comparison to the wardens and it hurts his position even further.
If they wanted the castle, then take responsibility and take it back yourself rather than bash on the quasi-chantry organization that did you a much needed favor and used the castle to protect your people and your trade routes. If you want the castle back, don't wait two years to demand it back, request the castle back sooner for a reasonable compensation for manpower, upkeep and renovation. Otherwise, it seems that the crown was content to let Caer Bronach be a hive of banditry and robbers who'd use the position to harass Crestwood and anyone else traveling up and down the road.
So yes, Teagan's standpoints are pretty baseless because of his delivery and the flawed arguments that he brings up to try to validate himself. Of course, you're free to believe what you want, but don't insult my intelligence and comprehension just because I'm not lapping up his nonsense. The truth about the corruption and infiltration by qunari and solas don't even help as he had no way of knowing about that and again is only alive from a planned qunari assassination because of the Inquisition's efforts and yet he still calls for complete disbandment.
Once more, Teagan in Origins was much less of a stubborn idiot. If that Teagan were on this council, I'd expect him to make a reasonable argument and back that argument with actual valid points rather than misconstruing beneficial deeds as an attack on sovereignty.
I don't know even what you are talking about because now you are talking random things about loghain saving ferelden that don't refer to things i have said...
Once again it isn't, as you once again live in ridiculous conviction that Teagan isn't allowed to say bad word about order or bring up historical facts about grey wardens unless it paints them in positive light because once gain HoF (individual member of this organisation) ,avoiding even in first place that he wasn't even person that gave Arling and even if he did it still wouldn't erase what warden order did in past (trying to seize ferelden) or recently (trying to summon army of demons) just because he gave warden lands (unless somehow by your logic he isn't allowed to bring up what clarer and other grey wardens did)... And you still funnily fail to grasp difference between country giving land and lang being seized without country consent what is kinda out off the touch with reality because as i said it is a very serious matter. From what i recall Teagan don't discuss morality of situation only that fact that grey wardens were trying seize control in ferelden what once again is nothing more but fact and i already explained about 10 times to you that it fits , nor that example is invalid just because is not recent (lol what is that ridiculous argument im allowed to compare something regardless of when it was).
In first place, that ferelden didn't took keep from bandits doesn't mean Inquisition is allowed to claim land in ferelden without their consent ,as well you could have use that argument to seize Redcliff because "i took it is mine now and they shouldn't complain".
Besides i pretty much have explained it to you and this shows you didn't read what i have wrote , reason why it took 2 years was because Divine Victoria deleayd it as long she could , in first place why ferelden should pay inquisition for seizing their land without their consent.LoL, even if ferelden authorities would allow bandits to live in keep and rob people it wouldn't change fact that inquisition seized ferelden land because it suited them nor tyrant king changed fact grey wardens tried to do same in ferelden.
He made resonable arguments and points that once again were proven to be right in dlc but again why im saying it to person that struggles with seeing difference in country giving land and someone seizing land. 
I don't know even what you are talking about because now you are talking random things about Loghain saving Ferelden that don't refer to things i have said...
Once again it isn't, as you once again live in ridiculous conviction that Teagan isn't allowed to say bad word about order or bring up historical facts about grey wardens unless it paints them in positive light because once gain HoF (individual member of this organisation) ,avoiding even in first place that he wasn't even person that gave Arling and even if he did it still wouldn't erase what warden order did in past (trying to seize ferelden) or recently (trying to summon army of demons) just because he gave warden lands (unless somehow by your logic he isn't allowed to bring up what clarer and other grey wardens did)... And you still funnily fail to grasp difference between country giving land and lang being seized without country consent what is kinda out off the touch with reality because as i said it is a very serious matter.
From what i recall Teagan doesnt discuss morality of situation only that fact that grey wardens were trying seize control in ferelden what once again is nothing more but fact and i already explained about 10 times to you that it fits , nor that example is invalid just because is not recent (lol what is that ridiculous argument I'm allowed to compare something regardless of when it was).
In first place, that Ferelden didn't took keep from bandits doesn't mean Inquisition is allowed to claim land in ferelden without their consent ,as well you could have use that argument to seize Redcliffe because " I took it is mine now and they shouldn't complain".
Besides i pretty much have explained it to you and this shows you didn't read what i have wrote , reason why it took 2 years was because Divine Victoria delayed it as long she could , in first place why Ferelden should pay inquisition for seizing their land without their consent.LoL, even if ferelden authorities would allow bandits to live in keep and rob people it wouldn't change fact that inquisition seized ferelden land because it suited them nor tyrant king changed fact grey wardens tried to do same in ferelden.
He made reasonable arguments and points that once again were proven to be right in dlc but again why I'm saying it to person that struggles with seeing difference in country giving land and someone seizing land.
Dearie, you have such bad grammar. Let me fix it for you.
From what i see, most of that was not using capital letters in some cases ,though i see i messed up completely with 2 words and rather weird screw up i didn't notice.
From what i see, most of that was not using capital letters in some cases ,though i see i messed up completely with 2 words and rather weird screw up i didn't notice.
I was making a Vivienne on you. If case you didn't notice.
I did , it was rather obvious. 
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