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[BloodKaiden]

I don't care who we get as long as they are well written characters and it makes sense for them to be in the north near Tevinter. I'm in favor of new companions and strictly cameo's of the returns if they have to. I do want a Tevinter companion that is pro-slavery and the darker aspects that make up Tevinter. Perhaps an ex Ventori supporter.

[Lumix19]

I don't care who we get as long as they are well written characters and it makes sense for them to be in the north near Tevinter. I'm in favor of new companions and strictly cameo's of the returns if they have to. I do want a Tevinter companion that is pro-slavery and the darker aspects that make up Tevinter. Perhaps an ex Ventori supporter.

Yeah that would be interesting. I have a feeling the Venatori will still be around in DA4 since it seems sort of a parallel to the Lucerni.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I'd say appearances by Dorian and Maeveris (and maybe Fenris and Calpernia) are highly likely, but I wouldn't except any of them to be companions. I think we will see very little carry over in terms of characters from DAI to DA4; one presumes that part of the point of going north is to make as much of a clean break as possible with the prior games to get rid of a lot of the story choice baggage that has been built up, and dragging existing characters along would run contrary to that objective.

[ladyofpayne]

ladyofpayne, you are as obsessed with Michel as I am with Abelas.  

 

And you did not have him on the list.  He is an Arcane Warrior (Dirth'ena Enasalin) by lore, perhaps a two-handed tank, like you could spec Fenris in DA2 if you wanted to?  Also, if Abelas turns out to be a spy, maybe he could be a rogue?  The KE does have that whole fade stealth thing, though it doesn't last very long.

This sounds very reasonable but he is Evanuris' slave. And he revives only when the Temple is attacked. I don't deny he can follow us too but he can belong Fenharel now (spoilers) and Inquisition knows him.

[Panda]

DA4 is already confirmed and that it will be in Tevinter and have 9 member party?

 

On the list, I'd like Calpernia and Harding appear again as companions. Ser Barris as well, although he might be dead in some playthroughs so it might be hard. If it's Tevinter I'd like our character to have some relation to Maevaris and Dorian, maybe they could be advisors or our supporters. I'm still kinda hoping new game would be in Antiva and Rivaini area, I'm not really into dark and evil place like Tevinter is. Then Michel... I'm hoping never to see him. Absolutely hated him in TME and I have hard time understanding what's the deal with him.

[riverbanks]

I'm actually thinking maybe they should cut down on the number of followers. I thought 9 was actually a bit much this time around.

 

We had 9 potential followers in Origins (10 if you count Loghain) and 8 in DA2 (9/10 if you count the dog and the dead sibling), having 9 again in DAI wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

[Potato Cat]

Leliana's situation had no logic, they basically said "the Maker did it" unlike Corypheus and Flemeth, that use horrocrux or body jump. I don't see much people having problems with those two reviving, neither with Oghren and Anders now that I recall.

Actually, I'm not sure if you've heard this, but they did give a mysterious reason for Leliana's resurrection at the end of Trespasser. It has to do with the lyrium around the urn and she ultimately vanishes if she died in Origins.

[berelinde]

You know, everybody says that Michel is off the table because he can be dead, but how many people actually have him dead in their worldstates? I mean, to do that, you have to accept a demon's offer. And can you even claim the keep if you let Imshael live? Plus, the writers said that anyone we specifically and intentionally kill will stay dead, but they explicitly stated that anyone rumored to be dead or who died as a consequence of a decision was "presumed dead," which is entirely different.

 

That said, I don't think we'll be seeing Michel again, but that's an opinion, not a fact.

[Fredward]

I don't really get the Michel love, I read the book. He was ok I guess? Nothing to write home about. Now if Slow Arrow bro was still alive or Briala wasn't so busy playing the Game...

[Andromelek]

Actually, I'm not sure if you've heard this, but they did give a mysterious reason for Leliana's resurrection at the end of Trespasser. It has to do with the lyrium around the urn and she ultimately vanishes if she died in Origins.

That theory was born in the forums first, they kind of gave a hint that you can revive people with Lyrium at the end of the Descent, but still there is a weak point on it, if it's Lyrium, then the Guardian and Reavers close to the temple would revive as well. same with all those Sha-Brytol we killed.

But if reviving people is actually so easy why people would complain when we talk of revive ageless mages that were possibly killed with mundane methods?

[berelinde]

I don't really get the Michel love, I read the book. He was ok I guess? Nothing to write home about. Now if Slow Arrow bro was still alive or Briala wasn't so busy playing the Game...

Do you honestly expect to understand people's preferences? Michel was an interesting character. He was presented at first as a boring storybook hero, too good to be true, and as the book went on, he made mistakes and shameful details of his past began to emerge. In my opinion, that made him a lot more likable. If you've read the book and are still "meh" on him, well, that's just the way it's going to be. Briala had the opposite effect on me. She started out as an interesting, endearing character and as the book went on, my opinion of her dropped. By the end, she was a bit too vindictive and whiny for my tastes. I adored Felessan, though.

[Fredward]

Do you honestly expect to understand people's preferences?

 

Yes, you just did an admirable job.

[Lady Sif]

As far as people from DAI as companions I would only like to have one, and the rest be new people. I would like Harding to be the companion I feel like she could tie the next game to DAI really well. I would like appearances from Calpernia, Fenris, and Feynriel. I hope Maeveris and Dorian play an important role in the next game, but I don't see them being companions, especially Dorian. 

[Former_Fiend]

I don't really get the Michel love, I read the book. He was ok I guess? Nothing to write home about. Now if Slow Arrow bro was still alive or Briala wasn't so busy playing the Game...

 

I read the book and I have a deep, unbridled hatred for the character that defies logic and reasoning, so I don't get it, either.

[berelinde]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if we saw too many familiar faces from past books or games. Scuttlebutt has it that we're going to Tevinter. What would Orlesians even be doing there?

 

And yeah, I would have absolutely loved to have a chevalier as a companion. My reasons may be different from the OP's, though. I wanted a chevalier companion for Inquisition because that side of the story was under-represented.

 

DAI expanded upon a few themes and brought a lot of them to their conclusion. With the exception of the Orlesian power struggle, each issue had its representative within the Inquisition itself. As a disgraced and embittered chevalier, Michel's perspective would have provided an interesting contrast to Vivienne's and Leliana's, but there are only so many companion slots available. Blackwall could have filled the role if the relationship between him and the knight who helped him win the Grand Tourney had been explored in greater depth, but there is also a limit on the amount of conversation the game can have.

 

But that was DAI. Orlesian politics aren't going to be relevant in Tevinter. The Orlesian Civil War is over, and the potential elimination of either Celene or Gaspard as candidates means that they're done with it. If it's mentioned in future games, it will probably be as something that happened "over there, to someone else."

 

Of course, if we are going to Tevinter, that opens up the possibility of new conflicts and new characters. Instead of a handsome and cultured chevalier with a spotty past and an astonishing ability to make bad decisions, we may have a handsome young magister with those same qualities, or maybe a dashing soparati freedom fighter or a swashbuckling Navarran diplomat. "Human male" doesn't have to be boring, nor does it have to be a face we've seen before.*

 

*I'm not saying that Michel de Chevin is boring. But I'm thinking that maybe that ship has sailed.

[Tielis]

This sounds very reasonable but he is Evanuris' slave. And he revives only when the Temple is attacked. I don't deny he can follow us too but he can belong Fenharel now (spoilers) and Inquisition knows him.

 

Yes, agreed.  But the Well was destroyed and now either the Inquisitor or perhaps Morrigan is in control of it.  So it could go either way for Abelas, I think.  Also, when I mentioned him being a spy, I meant that he pretends he is working with Fen'Harel but is really working for us.

[Former_Fiend]

Going over the suggestions laid out so far, here's how I'd do it. Working under the assumption we'll be in Tevinter and with no returning characters(have them come back as important NPC's, sure, but not as party members), I'd keep the nine companions with the 3/3/3 split, and would go with the following.

 

Warriors:

 

Ferelden Ash Warrior, Berserker spec. While they didn't play a huge role in Origins, the ash warriors always left an impression on me. Ferelden has a reputation as the "barbarian" kingdom that's largely gone unearned so far; I'd like our ferelden representative to play up that side of the nation.

 

Tevinter Soporati dragon cultist, Reaver spec. This one just makes a kind of sense to me. We get a low class citizen soldier who isn't one of "the good Tevinters" like Krem or Dorian, show us that side of it, and the old time Tevinter religion.

 

Tal Vashoth, Spirit warrior spec. Both of our qunari companions thus far have been two handed weapon users. Maybe this time we go with a tank. Spirit warrior was a cool specialization in concept that didn't get enough play(it really should have been an option in Inquisition) that I would love to see return, and giving it to the Tal Vashoth could lead to some interesting reasoning behind them leaving the qun.

 

Rogues:

 

Fog warrior, Shadow specialization: We've heard about these guys from Fenris and Bull, but haven't seen them yet. From Bull's description and mention of them in supplementary material, they're very big on stealth, so the Shadow spec makes sense for them.

 

Dalish archer, Ranger spec: Both dalish companions we've had have been mages and failed firsts/keepers. I'd like to see more of the common man among the dalish; the concept on paper is very cliche for fantasy but I trust Bioware can play on that in cool and humorous ways.

 

Carta dwarf, assassin spec: I really waffled back and forth on whether to go with a dwarf warrior or rogue and landed on the rogue to make room for the soporati. I think there's a side to play up here where you have a carta hitman who isn't the easy going, good natured guy that Varric was.

 

Mages:

 

Rivani seer, spirit healer spec: What can I say, I like the concept. We haven't gotten a lot from Rivain; Isabela is our primary source and she's more culturally Antivan than she is Rivani. Could have some interesting interactions with the tal vashoth companion.

 

Tevinter Laetan, blood mage spec: I'm thinking an elf, just for the twofer aspect, but could be elf or human. Not necessarily a cackling mad, mustache twirler, but a "do whatever it takes to succeed, this is the world we live in" type. We had the Altus in Dorian who had the world handed to him on a silver platter; let's see the Laetan who has to scrape and fight for everything they're due.

 

Ancient elf defector, arcane warrior; I liked Abelas well enough but I don't know if he's companion material. If nothing else I think he's probably too powerful to warrant being a companion if we get them all fairly early in the game as we did in DAI(which I hope we do). However, we could have "Not Abelas", one of the ancient elves from the Temple of Mythal or from anywhere else they might be hiding; might be a sleeper for Fen'Harel, might be a defector who opposes what the Dread Wolf is trying to do, there's a lot of potential there. 

 

That would be my list, if I were designing the game.

[ladyofpayne]

Yes, agreed.  But the Well was destroyed and now either the Inquisitor or perhaps Morrigan is in control of it.  So it could go either way for Abelas, I think.  Also, when I mentioned him being a spy, I meant that he pretends he is working with Fen'Harel but is really working for us.

The problem is that Abelas can be killed and he isn't evanuris- guardinas of the Themple dies.

Double agent? Why not? Beside that he is intresting character to travel with but I think he is just too powerful as companion so may be cameo is possible if he is alive.

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

What would Orlesians even be doing there?

Be in exile? Like Leliana in Ferelden or Dorian in Orlais?

 

I also get he impression that we can get avvar.

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

I'd be surprised if we saw too many familiar faces from past books or games. 

Why suprpised? Devs tell us more about characters past and Thedas that way. It is your choice to read the book (comics, whatever) or not to read.

[berelinde]

Why suprpised? Devs tell us more about characters past and Thedas that way. It is your choice to read the book (comics, whatever) or not to read.

The books were written in the Dragon Age universe, but they - and the characters in them - remain the property of the authors. You may see incidental appearances of Briala or Michel from the Masked Empire, hear mention of Rhys or Adrienne from Asunder, or even hear references to characters from the anime, but those characters are never going to have huge roles because 1) they remain the author's property, and 2) their stories are over.

 

Don't get me wrong. I liked Michel very much, just as I liked Regalyan from the anime. But one of them is definitely dead and the other might be, so bringing either back would be messy, and the payoff isn't worth it. Not for a character who doesn't exist outside the books. It's a lot easier to invent a character with similar traits who doesn't have so much baggage.

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

Not for a character who doesn't exist outside the books. It's a lot easier to invent a character with similar traits who doesn't have so much baggage.

Asunder was also Cole preparation for our party. 

[berelinde]

Yes, and Cole's fate at the end of the book was left as a mystery. They didn't put him in some DLC and give the player the option to kill him before DAI.

 

Look, I understand. You like the character. So do I. But if they were going to make him a companion, that time would have been DAI, not after giving us the opportunity to kill him off.

[Former_Fiend]

The books were written in the Dragon Age universe, but they - and the characters in them - remain the property of the authors. You may see incidental appearances of Briala or Michel from the Masked Empire, hear mention of Rhys or Adrienne from Asunder, or even hear references to characters from the anime, but those characters are never going to have huge roles because 1) they remain the author's property, and 2) their stories are over.

 

Don't get me wrong. I liked Michel very much, just as I liked Regalyan from the anime. But one of them is definitely dead and the other might be, so bringing either back would be messy, and the payoff isn't worth it. Not for a character who doesn't exist outside the books. It's a lot easier to invent a character with similar traits who doesn't have so much baggage.

 

I don't believe that's how licensing novels work. I'd need to take a look at the specific contracts involved - something that isn't going to happen - but generally speaking when a book or comic or whatever is licensed as part of a fictional setting, those books and all characters within are the property of the company that owns the setting, not on the writer who penned the novel.

 

An example; one the most popular series of novels for the Forgotten Realms D&D setting, owned by Wizards of the Coast, revolves around the character of Drizzt Do'Urden; the novels have been written for over twenty years by R.A. Salvatore, who created the character of Drizzt for the novels.

 

But Salvatore doesn't own Drizzt, Wizards of the Coast does. He can't put out a Drizzt novel whenever he wants, only when contracted by WotC(which is frequently). If his relationship with WotC ended, he couldn't take Drizzt with him and use him in self published work, and if he walked away from WotC, they could continue publishing Drizzt novels with another author at the helm and Salvatore wouldn't so much as get royalties for it. WotC can use Drizzt in any material they publish or license, be it tabletop or video games, and they don't need Salvatore's permission. 

 

So I don't imagine that Gaider, Weekes, or Merciel personally own any of the characters in the novels they wrote, even if they conceived of those characters years before they came to work for Bioware. Bioware owns them and can use them how they want. And if they don't, then they aren't very sound businessmen.

[Tielis]

Ancient elf defector, arcane warrior; I liked Abelas well enough but I don't know if he's companion material. If nothing else I think he's probably too powerful to warrant being a companion if we get them all fairly early in the game as we did in DAI(which I hope we do). However, we could have "Not Abelas", one of the ancient elves from the Temple of Mythal or from anywhere else they might be hiding; might be a sleeper for Fen'Harel, might be a defector who opposes what the Dread Wolf is trying to do, there's a lot of potential there. 

 

Well, as long as he's as hot as Abelas, I wouldn't mind too much.  It would be a shame to waste a predefined character, though, in my opinion.