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#201
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Marius.  Maybe he could be the third rogue in my list?  I'd need to read the comics before I decide.

 

I personally don't want to see a Rivaini Seer in DA4 because I'd rather go to Rivain in the future and have a Rivaini Seer with me there.  Same with a Nevarran Dragon Hunter, Kal-Shirok Rock Knocker, Yavana (if she's not dead), etc.  We're going to be going all over Thedas, so let's hold out some awesome character ideas until we visit their nations.

 

No! they should give it to us right now! Right now, right away.  :D

 

Really though, we've always had a lot of imports in each group of companions. I don't think that they've ever kept to a local characters only mentality. 

 

In DA2 the only native Kirkwaller we had was Varric, and his being a Dwarf still set him apart a little. 


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Third mage should be man definetly.



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The mentality isn't hard to grasp, really. We're going to be getting a lot of context and perspective on the local area where the game takes place from the NPC we interact with. 

 

Our companions offer the best opportunity to get any kind of in-depth impact on cultures other than the one we're primarily dealing with throughout the game.



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Third mage should be man definetly.

 

My list was F/F/M for warriors and rogues, M/M/F for mages.



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Also there must be diversity in races: we have Lace Harding and we need elf even two elves. I think that would be city elf from alienage.

I really doubt we get a kossith because his dilemma will copy Iron Bull- Tal Vasgot or Qun.



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Well, that solution's already been offered. Have the horned giant companion already be straight up tal-vashoth. We had Sten who was adamantly qun-loyal. We had Tallis who was qun-loyal but had her doubts. We had Bull who could choose to defect or not. So let's have someone who's already made the hard choice to defect and is living outside the qun through their own agency and not by circumstance of birth.

 

I personally think that not having a qunari - tal-vashoth or otherwise - on the team would be just as bad as not having any Tevinter mages the war between the Qun and Tevinter is going to play as big a role as most of us think it will.



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We have two Qun loyal: Sten and Tallis. Choice Tal Vasot or Qun was with Iron Bull and simple Tal Vasgot cannot show us their culture because they have none- they are mercenaries either monsters. Plus Tevinter won't welcome kossiths because of known reason, Bull noted it. 

Fog warriors acts on Seheron only.

 

I have feeling we can get Viddasala as anti-mage warrior.



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We have two Qun loyal: Sten and Tallis. Choice Tal Vasot or Qun was with Iron Bull and simple Tal Vasgot cannot show us their culture because they have none- they are mercenaries either monsters. Plus Tevinter won't welcome kossiths because of known reason, Bull noted it. 

Fog warriors acts on Seheron only.

 

I have feeling we can get Viddasala as anti-mage warrior.

 

The fact that tal-vashoth don't have a unified culture isn't a problem. If anything, it's a boon. They're each individuals with individual stories and individual reasons for leaving. A hypothetical tal-vashoth companion could and almost certainly would have a very different story from Bull's. But more importantly they'd be able to offer a qunari perspective on the war and the events happening in game, if not further insight into the qun's culture.

 

Also, Bull and Dorian both establish that non-qun loyal qunari are very much allowed in Tevinter. Dorian has some dialogue with a qunari inquisitor that shows that if anything, Tevinters are actually more conscious of the divide between qunari and tal-vashoth and allow the latter to operate within their boarders as kind of a 'enemy of my enemy' thing. And Bull spend some time in Tevinter as a mercenary before making his way to Orlais, even spending time in Minrathous. 

 

I'm not saying they'd be particularly popular, especially with a war going on, but it isn't a case where every qunari who sets foot on Tevinter soil is killed or forced into slavery.

 

As for the fog warriors, yes, they're primarily a Seheron thing. But two things to consider; first off, an individual fog warrior may be on the mainland for any number of reasons. Could be they were taken prisoner or enslaved. Could be they've come to the mainland for personal reasons. Could be that we'll actually get to go to Seheron and recruit them there.


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#209
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Well, my own list didn't include any southern mages. I had a laetan blood mage, a rivani seer(Rivain is relatively close so that wouldn't necessarily count as terribly exotic), and an ancient elf - partly as appeasement to the Abelas fans but also because I think that would be a good way to tie into the Solas plot.

 

I just don't think we're going to be hurting for Tevinter mage NPC's to get perspective from, so I'd like to see our party stacked with some more wide ranging options so we have the outsider's perspective as well.

 

This does fit with the DA track record; relatively few of our companions are native/local to the area the current game takes place in. Alistair, Wynne, and Loghain were the only ones native to Ferelden society in Origins, Varric and Sebastian were the only marchers in DA2. And in Inquisition, Vivienne and Cassandra were local to Orlais, and Sera was native to Ferelden, but everyone else hailed from regions we didn't explore in that game.

 

So I tried to keep it to two or three locals to fit that pattern.

 

This so much. All of the games have had the majority of the companions not be local to the game's regions. There are also a few other trends so far to party composition (not that DA4 can't deviate from that, but the devs seem fairly comfortable sticking to a relatively similar formula):

 

The "outsider" to the local area: Morrigan lives close to Ferelden but is not Fereldan. Plus she is an outsider to "civilized" society. Merrill, as a Dalish, fills the outsider to urban lifestyle slot.

Spoiler
. Each of these characters acts as a foil to the accepted status quo. Also focused on lost knowledge and magic.

 

The "adherent": Leliana, Sebastian, Cassandra. Not necessarily followers of religion as an institution but of their personal faith.

 

The "other": Shale as a free-willed golem, one of a kind and challenges centuries-old assumptions of knowledge. Anders, a possessed mage trying to balance two entities in one body without being completely subsumed by the spirit within. Fenris, to a lesser degree, with unique powers brought from lyrium which is normally toxic or fatal to people. Cole, again contradicting assumed knowledge of the nature of spirits and the Veil.

 

The "mentor": Wynne (obviously), Aveline, Vivienne. How much the PC appreciates or follow the mentor's advice varies, but the tone and relationship the mentor attempts to adopt with the PC lends itself to being in a position of authority and trying to guide the PC as they think is best.

 

I think there is a requirement for at least one Ferelden in every game, but luckily Harding covers that. And a maximum of a third of the recruitable companions being from the nation in which the game takes place.

 

 

 

So with all of this said, I think it's reasonable to expect something along the lines of:

 

Scout Harding (Fereldan, carry over from previous game)

 

Marius (cross promoting supplemental materials). This depends on his role in the comics, and what kind of fighting he uses, whether dual dagger or sword.

 

Laetus mage as others have said. I think anyone at the level of a magister is too powerful and busy to join the party. I'm ignoring the level one Cassandra issue. This mage would be the moderate voice of reform but not rebellion for Tevinter, as they have not had the roughest life and hope to rise in status, but they haven't had all of the opportunities that altus mages inherently possess. This might be the adherent, as I don't think we'll get a companion completely for the status quo of Tevinter life and religion, but someone who see the good possible (like Leliana does of the Chantry in DAO)

 

Tal vashoth of some kind. I would think a fighter would be easiest to implement, but former Ben Hassrath thief or rogue saarebas could work. A saarebas would fit the "other" role most likely, given how rare it would be to find an unleashed kossith mage who used to be under the Qun but purposefully left it. A non saarebas would fit the outsider role, as someone now in Tevinter and knowing a lot about the culture without being a part of it.

 

Ambassadoria dwarf fighter. I hope that we can get two dwarf companions again, as the ambassadoria culture in Tevinter sounds different than Orzammar and Kal Sharok and surface dwarves. The dwarf would be fairly positively inclined toward Tevinter, as the mages are a major source of revenue and treat the dwarves with respect. They could possibly be the mentor?

 

If we don't have a saarebas, then the "other" could be a Rivaini seer, awakened ancient elf, or a Warden from Weisshaupt (I'm wondering if the Anderfels will play a role in the game)

 

For the elves, I doubt we'll have any Dalish, since they're not supposed to venture north that much. Either a viddathari, ancient elf, former slave, or maybe even a rare mage who was raised beyond slave status for their talents. Fenris' sister, after being freed, was apprenticed to a magister, so there seems to be precedent.



#210
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The fact that tal-vashoth don't have a unified culture isn't a problem.

It is problem- they don't have theit own culture, they only trying to make a living, just like mercenaries. And your PC will be the one by the way, no doubt about that.



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It is problem- they don't have theit own culture, they only trying to make a living, just like mercenaries. And your PC will be the one by the way, no doubt about that.

 

They still would have come from the qun, which our PC almost certainly will not have. Having come from the qun and left, without the PC making that decision for them, is a different view point than what we've had. And while they don't offer us the same education on culture, they do offer us another view point into the war between Tevinter and the Qun.



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And we have for for Exotic follower like Cole or Shale.



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Revised list;

 

Warriors

 

Soporati dragon cultist reaver.

 

Dwarf warrior of the ambassadoria.

 

Tal vashoth spirit warrior.

 

Rogues;

 

Fog warrior

 

Oth barbarian scout, potentially a grey warden

 

Dwarf carta assassin

 

Mages:

 

Laetan blood mage

 

Ancient elf arcane warrior

 

Rivani seer. 



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Warrior:

 

Exiled Chevalier

 

Ash Warrior/Fog Warrior

 

Dwarf Warrior Caste or Rock-Knocker

 

Mage:

 

Mortalitasi

 

Mae/Calpernia

 

Saarebas

 

Rogue:

 

Lace Harding/Harlequin bard

 

Former Night Elf

 

Antivan Duelist

 

Special:

Fex/Werewolf



#215
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If Marius and Calpernia can show up as new companions (or in whatever form in the next game), then I'd expect to see their relationship blossom ;) (provided the new protag isnt romancing either of them :D)

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This is weird... But I kinda want ZITHER! to be a companion. And Shale because I believe she said she was going to Tevinter to see if she can become a dwarf again. I know it's highly improbable for the latter character though.
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#217
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This is weird... But I kinda want ZITHER! to be a companion. And Shale because I believe she said she was going to Tevinter to see if she can become a dwarf again. I know it's highly improbable for the latter character though.


ZITHER is Bioware's trolling spirit made a person, I certainly don't doubt they could be able to go that further, but I wonder if they are going to make him interesting or just keep him as a living troll, if he is made a companion, I'll only would have to say YOLO.

I think that Shale may make a cameo but I doubt they bring her as companion, would be weird if they retcon a character that can die in Origins at this point.

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I usually say I would prefer an entirely new cast of characters. But I always hoped to have a companion slot for Bethany/Carver if either is still alive, it would be interesting to see them develop away from Hawke.



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All the DA parties have 3 rules

 

a. one "linking" companion: oghren (origin and awakening)-> anders  (awakening and DA2) -> varric (DA2 and inquisition). So one of our companions will be in DA4.

I bet on Dorian.

 

b. one or two secondary character we've met (or heard about) will be in the party (nathaniel howe in awekening; merrill and Isabela in DA2; cassandra and cullen/in Inquisition)

I bet on scout Harding (altough she has the charisma of a spoon) and someone like Fairbanks, Gatt or Bianca.



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Warriors: Orlesian, any will do but Michael or Fairbanks would be a good tie in.

                  Qunari or Tevinter, again any will do but, assuming it is set in Tevinter those two would fit well. NOT Iron Bull because if he turned on you then you don't want him and, if he didn't, he's on with his mercenary life.

                  Cullen, he's tired of retirement and, if he wed the Inquisitor, I can dream up a dozen ways to end that before DA4 begins. I just like Cullen.

 

Rogues: Dwarf but not Varric, he's Viuscount now so, he's busy.

               Fog Warrior, seems a perfect fit.

               Ferelden, perhaps an renegade Warden that wants to lave the order.

 

Mages: Loyal Tevinter mage, not Dorian since he is an ambassadoer/politician now.

              Rebel that fled to Tevinter and/or possibly Fenriel. Either he went to Tevinter from DA2 or, fled there when the circles fell, either way he can be there logically.

              Dalish or Anderfels mage, not really partial one way or the other about the rebels and circle, a bit naïve, young but useful. 

 

Personally I'd like to see Cullen be one of the warrior comanions, Fenriel be a mage comanion and, Harding as a rogue companion but, that's just my prefernces, any names, even all new ones will suit me.



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All the DA parties have 3 rules

 

a. one "linking" companion: oghren (origin and awakening)-> anders  (awakening and DA2) -> varric (DA2 and inquisition). So one of our companions will be in DA4.

I bet on Dorian.

 

b. one or two secondary character we've met (or heard about) will be in the party (nathaniel howe in awekening; merrill and Isabela in DA2; cassandra and cullen/in Inquisition)

I bet on scout Harding (altough she has the charisma of a spoon) and someone like Fairbanks, Gatt or Bianca.

Just because Bioware has followed those patterns before doesn't necessarily mean they will keep following them.


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All the DA parties have 3 rules

 

a. one "linking" companion: oghren (origin and awakening)-> anders  (awakening and DA2) -> varric (DA2 and inquisition). So one of our companions will be in DA4.

I bet on Dorian.

 

b. one or two secondary character we've met (or heard about) will be in the party (nathaniel howe in awekening; merrill and Isabela in DA2; cassandra and cullen/in Inquisition)

I bet on scout Harding (altough she has the charisma of a spoon) and someone like Fairbanks, Gatt or Bianca.

 

It doesn't have to be a former companion to be a linking companion, it could easily be a side character from Inquisition like Harding  



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After reading the first Magekiller comic, I don't think Marius will be a companion. He seems too similar to Fenris.



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After reading the first Magekiller comic, I don't think Marius will be a companion. He seems too similar to Fenris.

Well, at least that saves me the trouble of buying the comic. I've got nothing against Fenris, but a comic book format is just too abbreviated to do a character like that justice. I'm afraid that without the character development a larger work would allow, the character would come across as an implement of hate, and I don't need that in my life.



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All the DA parties have 3 rules

a. one "linking" companion: oghren (origin and awakening)-> anders (awakening and DA2) -> varric (DA2 and inquisition). So one of our companions will be in DA4.
I bet on Dorian.

b. one or two secondary character we've met (or heard about) will be in the party (nathaniel howe in awekening; merrill and Isabela in DA2; cassandra and cullen/in Inquisition)
I bet on scout Harding (altough she has the charisma of a spoon) and someone like Fairbanks, Gatt or Bianca.


On that thing about linking companions..
I'd make a guess between Cole and Dorian (since I could see Dorian also taking up a 'mentor' role and being more of a sponsor/advisor)
Since:
- Cassandra : could be Divine
- Blackwall : Perished if you made him into a real GW
- IB : could backstab the IQ
- Varric : Viscount of Kirkwall, loves his damn coty too much
- Sera : could be happily married (LI teritorry is super sensitive teritorry. Can already imagine the forums being flooded with angry spouses asking why their IQ isnt with their significant other)
- Solas : no explenation needed
- Viviene : potential Divine.