Because he is loyal to the Qun.
Bull, Hissard, whatever you want to call him, was never on your side. EVER. From the moment you recuited him he was a sleeper agent. By doing his personal quest and saving the Chargers you are telling him it's okay to be Tal Vashoth, and he's then on your side from that moment on. As long as he's not Tal Vashoth he is not loyal to you.
I don't understand how that's not penetrating.
Thanks. There is a line though... I could NEVER shoot Mordin in the back in ME3 though. But I think that was a pretty cut and dried "evil choice" so you can say ....you know even though I am playing a sort of edgy PC I don't want to make them that much of a monster.
With this choice with Bull it was not that clear really. I mean yes it was debatable that allowing Bull's family to die was a horrible act in of itself, but it wasn't like you had a bunch of other options. You were presented with a crossroads and you made a choice trying to determine what the best outcome would be in the grand scheme of things. ANd then BAM it comes back to bite you in a huge way and not only that but now you are being judged/condemned for it.
But meh.... I"m ok with how the betrayal played out honestly. It gave me a rush and actually I'm glad it happened because I got to experience the other side of that game experience. But still hurts though.
Apologies for the brevity of my last post directed toward you. I was distracted then and would like to take the time now to give attention to what you're saying. What you've said is pretty insightful.
I think it's an easy part of human nature to judge other peoples' decisions. And you're right, it seems to happen a lot on the DA forums. Like you, I try not to judge or condemn because like you, I'll try a few different options, sometimes just to see what happens and try and gain some view into what the developers and writers are thinking - I assume they spend time exacting their details for a reason and I can think of no better tribute than to explore them.
What I see here in this thread, regarding this particular judgment about this particular subject is that the lead writer made the judgment and others are kind of going along with that gospel. If the player killed his men, the player gets what they deserve, which is betrayal and perhaps, if the player had the audacity to romance him then honor his Qunari-ness, the player deserves to end the game with their character in a position of mockery.
You're right, though. We didn't have a lot of options. The only other option was to respect that Iron Bull was Qunari, Ben Hassrath, and that he was the leader of a mercenary company who were...business...and a front for his Ben Hassrath purpose anyway. Perhaps that's not the way the writer intended it, but that doesn't seem outlandish to me. Bull risked the Chargers' lives everytime he took a contract. It is just as logical to say the player severed Bull from his people, his culture, and his purpose by saving the Chargers and therefore the only way he can get back to his people is to side with the Qunari in Trespasser when called upon.
Furthermore, I think that this issue was mudded to begin with. From my understanding this cause and effect had to be explained by the writer on social media. If it were all that logical and obvious, no explanation would have been required.
In closing, I think you're spot on when you say that the attempts at invalidation of other peoples' decisions and feelings that goes on on the forum isn't helpful. There's nothing more unproductive than telling anyone that they shouldn't feel the way they feel.
Thank you for your post. What you've said is worth thinking about.
Apologies for the brevity of my last post directed toward you. I was distracted then and would like to take the time now to give attention to what you're saying. What you've said is pretty insightful.
I think it's an easy part of human nature to judge other peoples' decisions. And you're right, it seems to happen a lot on the DA forums. Like you, I try not to judge or condemn because like you, I'll try a few different options, sometimes just to see what happens and try and gain some view into what the developers and writers are thinking - I assume they spend time exacting their details for a reason and I can think of no better tribute than to explore them.
What I see here in this thread, regarding this particular judgment about this particular subject is that the lead writer made the judgment and others are kind of going along with that gospel. If the player killed his men, the player gets what they deserve, which is betrayal and perhaps, if the player had the audacity to romance him then honor his Qunari-ness, the player deserves to end the game with their character in a position of mockery.
You're right, though. We didn't have a lot of options. The only other option was to respect that Iron Bull was Qunari, Ben Hassrath, and that he was the leader of a mercenary company who were...business...and a front for his Ben Hassrath purpose anyway. Perhaps that's not the way the writer intended it, but that doesn't seem outlandish to me. Bull risked the Chargers' lives everytime he took a contract. It is just as logical to say the player severed Bull from his people, his culture, and his purpose by saving the Chargers and therefore the only way he can get back to his people is to side with the Qunari in Trespasser when called upon.
Furthermore, I think that this issue was mudded to begin with. From my understanding this cause and effect had to be explained by the writer on social media. If it were all that logical and obvious, no explanation would have been required.
In closing, I think you're spot on when you say that the attempts at invalidation of other peoples' decisions and feelings that goes on on the forum isn't helpful. There's nothing more unproductive than telling anyone that they shouldn't feel the way they feel.
Thank you for your post. What you've said is worth thinking about.
No apologies necessary I appreciate the great discussion going on and that is what I like about the forums. We do have so many ideologies and cultural experiences coming from different countries and so forth. I understand things can get rather heated and then emotions flare and we make judgments on people. The latter is what I don't like about forums, because it's easy to throw out a quick judgment based on our own viewpoint not really considering that maybe someone is trying to really think and consider an alternate view, and by doing that express how it made them feel. Isn't that why we play these games in the first place? And just because someone makes those alternate choices that shouldn't necessarily chalk them up as being idiotic, or short sighted or just plain wrong. I mean like you said obviously the writers presented us with an alternative choice, so why not explore that? I tend to be a completionist when I play my games and I like to turn over every leaf and that includes exploring alternate choices, even if I sort of cringe inside a little doing it.
But yeah...it's all good. Thanks for the excellent discussions here!
Furthermore, I think that this issue was mudded to begin with. From my understanding this cause and effect had to be explained by the writer on social media. If it were all that logical and obvious, no explanation would have been required.
There is no mystery to the question of why a person who was only working with you because his leaders ordered it, would then fight against you because his leaders were now ordering that. That could not possibly be more logical. "Obvious" is a slightly different question. Clearly for some people it is not obvious that a guy who acts friendly might not really be your friend even when his real name is "Liar". But I think those constitute the 20% who invariably just don't get any given question. (It's not the same 20% every time because people's blind spots vary, but there's always at least 20% who blank out.)
There is no mystery to the question of why a person who was only working with you because his leaders ordered it, would then fight against you because his leaders were now ordering that. That could not possibly be more logical. "Obvious" is a slightly different question. Clearly for some people it is not obvious that a guy who acts friendly might not really be your friend even when his real name is "Liar". But I think those constitute the 20% who invariably just don't get any given question. (It's not the same 20% every time because people's blind spots vary, but there's always at least 20% who blank out.)
Again we are not talking about logical here so much as a feeling of betrayal and loss of a friendship we thought we had. In that....I think early on in the game your Inquisitor wants to trust and does trust Bull. It is a testament for how intelligent and sly he is in that he could basically wrap you around his finger into believing him and not even suspect that he would flip like that. After all he had been fighting at your side all this time even killing his own kind so again yes there is always that possibility he was never loyal, but it didn't really seem to be at the front of the Inquisitors mind. I think they got complacent and accepted Bull as a double agent for their side and forgot what his original mission was all about.
I still blame Leliana for not watching him better. 
There is no mystery to the question of why a person who was only working with you because his leaders ordered it, would then fight against you because his leaders were now ordering that. That could not possibly be more logical.
Agreed. That line of thinking seems logical to me. What seems a little off, and the judgment to which I was referring, was the information presented earlier in the thread regarding Patrick Weekes' commentary on the situation.
Ummm, yes it was. Ask Weekes, he'll tell you and even called people out on it who cried "why did he betray me the A-hole" telling them "you let his men die, yeah, he's going to betray you." (SweetTeaholic, post #305)
What you've suggested is a stream of logical reasoning. What has been attributed to Mr. Weekes, and proselytized by others in this thread, is a judgment. A stream of logical reasoning isn't personal. A judgment is personally directed toward the player for a choice made and it's understandable (to me) that the player subjected to such judgment might feel a little bent out of shape.
I still blame Leliana for not watching him better.
I blame Qun-loyal Bull for getting it so wrong that the Qunari (presumably the people he's reporting to?) think the Inquisitor is an agent of Fen'Harel.
On a side note, reading your posts I think you have a good spirit. Though I don't know much about you, if anything, I have the impression that you're the kind of person I try to be befriend. No spies, deceivers, or people who enjoy laughing at others. 
I blame Qun-loyal Bull for getting it so wrong that the Qunari (presumably the people he's reporting to?) think the Inquisitor is an agent of Fen'Harel.
On a side note, reading your posts I think you have a good spirit. Though I don't know much about you, if anything, I have the impression that you're the kind of person I try to be befriend. No spies, deceivers, or people who enjoy laughing at others.
Thank you and likewise 
I have been on various forums over the years and have learned that it's sometimes better to try and look at all sides and try to figure out what the person is saying or feeling and give them a chance to be heard. I have met my share of trolls too don't get me wrong, but I'm the kind of person who wants to give people a fair chance first then if they squash me...oh well... at least I tried.
1. Sorry, but it is proof. the entire plan is them bombing the noble house ans sweeping in with an army to take control in the choas. How is that not proof?
2. Her base is in qunari lands. They can even send letter to her. It take nothing to send an army after her.
3. For the last time, I DOES NOT MATTER IF THE QUIS IS REALLY AN AGENT OF FEN"HERAL. THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS PLAN NO MATTER WHAT AND IT"S DUE TO THE BREACH.
4.Because the point is not of dragon breath is not to kill the inquisitor. And he was not order to yet.
5.As some posted before..... From the ending slide.
Note how Vidasala state now that the plan has fail they have to take the way of sword and as soon as the dlc end it state the qunari take a full invasion on Tevinter.
They are not rogue.
1. It is proof that Vidasala was working against the south. It is not proof that Par Vollen authorized the operation.
2. That's if Vidasala wasn't hiding what she was doing. Capture a dragon and use its venom to make gattlock faster? Sure. Use ancient elven magic to go into a magic realm and talk to spirits? No way. Use Qunari to mine lyrium to feed to serebaas? No way. There is no way Par Vollen would sanction that. Same with the red lyrium. Vidasala was likely hiding that information from her superiors.
3. But after I disproved you on the gattlock plan (it was already thwarted), you switched to an argument about Hissrad delaying the Inquisitor so that he would die from the mark and so he would not be able to help the agent of Fen'Harel. I disproved the mark theory as well, because it was not clear the Inquisitor would die from it until the meeting right before the Davaarad, which Hissrad did not witness. The only argument left is that Hissrad did not want the Inquisitor helping the agent of Fen'Harel. But if Hissrad was with the Inquisitor in the elven towers, he knows that the elven spirits attacked him. Thus he can't be helping this agent. Now, if Hissrad knew the agent of Fen'Harel was Solas, then he might have reason to suspect the Inquisitor. But Hissrad didn't know this. The information is not revealed until after the fight in which Hissrad dies. And even if he had known, the fact that it's Solas does not automatically mean the Inquisitor is helping him or that he will help him. So there go all your theories.
4. But if Dragon's Breath had been an official operation, and Vidasala would not want the Inquisitor interfering in it, then clearly Hissrad would be duty bound to kill the Inquisitor and protect the mission. Especially if he knew about it the entire time like you claim.
5. Thanks for actually TRYING to post evidence. Unfortunately, as you may have been able to tell had you read the title, that is from a worldstate in which there is no Qunari alliance. I assume it also means The Iron Bull is Tal-Vashoth. So your video is irrelevant to this discussion, which is about a worldstate with a Qunari alliance. My world state has a Qunari alliance and my ending slides were much different from those in the video. In the slide with the Qunari (Arishok?) donning his helmet...
"With the Dragon's Breath disrupted, the Qunari retreated back to the North. The Ben-Hassrath disavowed the Viddasala's Actions."
Hmm, I've been misspelling her title this whole time. Anyway, this states that the Qunari retreated back to the North. Which Qunari is it talking about? Could be the official ones, could be the ones Viddasala was commanding. One clue as to which group is seen in the second statement. The Ben-Hassrath disavowed the Viddasala's actions. So according to them, she acted without sanction.
"They assured Divine Victoria that, as the Inquisition now served her personally, they considered their alliance to apply to her and the Chantry."
So they considered their alliance as never having been broken.
"Few knew what debates were waged in Par Vollen, but not long after the Exalted Council, the Qunari launched new attacks against Tevinter."
So you're wrong about them taking immediate action against Tevinter. There were debates in Par Vollen, then some short time after the Council, the Qunari went back to fighting with Tevinter. Viddasala's speech about the gentle path and the way of the sword is just her mouthing off, as usual.
"Their aggression caught the already unstable Imperium off guard. Tevinter was soon mired in a war many feared could spread across Thedas."
So their success was due to Tevinter's weakness, not the Qunari's strength.
"Whispers in Val Royeaux suggested that the Qunari had asked Divine Victoria to assist them. None yet knew her answer."
Hearsay. But I'm just being thorough. That is the last slide with the Qunari forces. Next up is dead Hissrad's...
"It was never clear if the Iron Bull knew he would be forced to turn upon the Inquisition, or if he was lying the entire time."
I'm not sure who wrote that stupid line. It's redundant. If he knew, then yes he was lying. The sentence should say "it wasn't clear if he DIDN'T know". In any event, this proves that there was no evidence that he was involved in the plan from the start. I think all evidence points to him having no clue about it. Had he known from the start, he would have attacked sooner than he did in order to protect the operation. Instead he can willingly destroy the lyrium mines, kill fellow Qunari, and allow the gattlock to be seized. Pretty bad agent if he was in on the plan the whole time.
"Regardless, after his death, Tal-Vashoth mercenaries across Orlais and Ferelden were looked upon with suspicion."
Strange that Tal-Vashoth mercs suffered because of him. He wasn't Tal-Vashoth. Or was he declared such by the Qunari for his choice? An honest question.
"Those who remained in the South found their lives even harder as a result."
Those what? Tal-Vashoth? Why would they go north? Is this talking about the Qunari who were following Viddasala? Only they would have reason to go back north. Those who would stay in the south would find their lives more difficult, sure. But I don't see why Tal-Vashoth would. Weird.
Anyway, the ending slides show that the Qunari washed their hands of Viddasala. So either they had no knowledge of the plot, or perhaps they knew about it, and in a non-alliance worldstate they approve it, but in an alliance worldstate they reject her plan and she carries it out without their consent. Or maybe they don't know about it in any case, and in a non-alliance worldstate they have no reason to disavow anything.
Maybe they knew and it was official, and their failure and prospect of continuing the alliance is what made them disavow it. But this all goes back to the fact that there is no evidence that they knew or sanctioned it. This all could have been the work of Viddasala and no one else.
He knows his won game. He's the one who planned it out so bull still betray you if you don't do his mission. Sorry but even the write of the plot is telling you you're wrong.
First off, quote Weekes. Find the source. I doubt he even said it. But even if he did, that would just make him ignorant of his own game.
It is a fact that the Chargers can live and Hissrad sides with Viddasala. Which means him attacking the Inquisitor is not about the Inquisitor letting the Chargers die. That is a fact. Not an opinion, a fact. So if Weekes contradicts this FACT, then he is factually wrong.
Anyway, the ending slides show that the Qunari washed their hands of Viddasala. So either they had no knowledge of the plot, or perhaps they knew about it, and in a non-alliance worldstate they approve it, but in an alliance worldstate they reject her plan and she carries it out without their consent. Or maybe they don't know about it in any case, and in a non-alliance worldstate they have no reason to disavow anything.
Maybe they knew and it was official, and their failure and prospect of continuing the alliance is what made them disavow it. But this all goes back to the fact that there is no evidence that they knew or sanctioned it. This all could have been the work of Viddasala and no one else.
Effectively, it doesn't matter either way. Multiple times now, 'rogue' agents have nearly brought catastrophe to people of southern Thedas, and each time the Qunari have done nothing to prevent these agents from acting out. The only thing one can surely count on are the lengths they will go to feign ignorance, deny responsibility, and skirt recompense.
Ummm, you do realise Weekes is the lead writer, right? He would know.
No, you don't understand his own game. Bull is still with the Qun if you don't do his mission. His ties aren't cut. It's as simple as that.
And no, the Vidassala was working with the Qun. Someone quoted it already:
SO YES THE QUNARI GAVE FULL SUPPORT TO THIS PLAN!! THIS WOULDN'T BE HERE OTHERWISE!! WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND MY GOD!! And don't give me that crap that "Weekes doesn't know his own game." YES HE DOES! SO DOES EVERY OTHER WRITER WHO WORKED ON THE GAME!!
The only reason the Qunari act like they don't contone it is simple PR. Of course they're going to say that they didn't give her the orders. The Qunari are known for lying in the past. Also on the point of using magic even though the Qun is against using it: THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO ENLIGHTEN AND SPREAD THE QUN!! AGAIN THIS ISN'T HARD TO GET!!
And yes I did see your post. All of them. And again everyone proved you wrong or at least tried to explain it's not the case.
Him being the lead writer doesn't mean he remembers everything he wrote. He is human and is still capable of making mistakes. I gave you a fact. You gave me a claim about Weekes' opinion. I doubt he even said what you claimed. So before discussing this further, do you have the source of his statement? Can I see a direct quote from him saying that?
Yeah, but the claim I was replying to was that Weekes said Bull turns on you because you let the Chargers die. I pointed out that the Chargers can live and Bull can still side with Viddasala. I disproved his alleged statement with a fact.
No, what was quoted was that with Dragon's Breath stopped, "the Qunari" retreated back to the north. That does not refer to the antaam or those in Par Vollen (who would already be in the north). The Qunari that quote refers to are the Qunari that Viddasala had under her command. Again, rogue Qunari.
And how could the Qunari "act" as if they did not condone it if they were seen to be officially ready to invade? How could they deny involvement if their army had been seen waiting for Dragon's Breath to conclude, and then retreating back north once it failed? No, the Qunari who retreated back north were the Qunari Viddasala was commanding without authorization from Par Vollen.
Effectively, it doesn't matter either way. Multiple times now, 'rogue' agents have nearly brought catastrophe to people of southern Thedas, and each time the Qunari have done nothing to prevent these agents from acting out. The only thing one can surely count on are the lengths they will go to feign ignorance, deny responsibility, and skirt recompense.
Correct. And I don't see why Hissrad couldn't have done the same under those circumstances. He had no way of knowing that Viddasala was acting with sanction, she had no authority over him, and there would have been no consequences for disobeying her. So, he should have disobeyed her. He should have called her Tal-Vashoth just to rub it in. Then he could have told the Qunari anything he wanted, and gone right back to being a spy in the Inquisition.
Well, yes he did. He returned to Par Vollen for a time, and was submitted for another round of re-education.Correct. And I don't see why Hissrad couldn't have done the same under those circumstances. He had no way of knowing that Viddasala was acting with sanction, she had no authority over him, and there would have been no consequences for disobeying her. So, he should have disobeyed her. He should have called her Tal-Vashoth just to rub it in. Then he could have told the Qunari anything he wanted, and gone right back to being a spy in the Inquisition.
I doubt Viddasal was Tal-Vashoth. Tal-Vashoth are those that actively reject the Qun. Even if she overstepped her bounds, and the evidence I saw indicates otherwise, it still wouldn't make her Tal-Vashoth. Bull says in a banter something to the effect of if you see a qunari in full armor, run, because it's war. Those guys looked pretty decked out to me. The Triumvirate denying a failed plot also seems par for the course. They wanted to throw the South into chaos and then sweep in to clean up and convert. Viddasala even blames the inquisitor that lives that would have been spared will be lost now that they can't take the 'gentle path'.
As far as Bull knowing he shouldn't have sided with her, the Qun doesn't really stress independent thinking. You get an order, you follow it. The Qun demands, it doesn't politely ask your opinion. Not to mention he's been in Par Vollen for the last two years. His role as Iron Bull is over. Even if the Chargers are still alive, it was just a role for him until/unless you show him it's okay to be someone other than Hissrad.
Edit: I want to add that there are valid reasons to accept the alliance. It's not something I could ever do personally, but there is a reason I'm not in charge of those kinds of decisions. I lack the emotional distance they require, and I know I'd make a crap commander in real life. There seems to be some hostility here, and in no way am I trying to add to that. Kind of reminds me of the ME threads where people were villifying others based on what color they picked at the end.
No, they were wearing the light armor that Dorian mocks in that particular party banter. And they were Ben-Hassrath, not members of the antaam, or the military branch.
But how could they deny it if they were spotted in places ready to strike after the nobles were blown up?
Viddasala is just a nutcase. Her words mean nothing. She invokes swords that do not obey her. They obey the Arishok, and no evidence suggests he or any other Qunari in Par Vollen intend to sweep the south.
Fine, but Hissrad was under no obligation to follow orders from her. His last official order was to be a spy, not combatant. If his role as Hissrad was over, then he knew about Dragon's Breath from the start, and he should have killed the Inquisitor before he could thwart the operation. He doesn't. So he wasn't in on it.
No it's not. he is the one who made it so that if the chargers are alive and you did not do Bull's quest Bull with betray you.
Sorry, but you are totally wrong on this.
So then why would he claim that Bull betrays you if you let his Chargers die?
Because he is loyal to the Qun.
Bull, Hissard, whatever you want to call him, was never on your side. EVER. From the moment you recuited him he was a sleeper agent. By doing his personal quest and saving the Chargers you are telling him it's okay to be Tal Vashoth, and he's then on your side from that moment on. As long as he's not Tal Vashoth he is not loyal to you.
I know that. I never wrote otherwise.
I don't understand how that's not penetrating.
Because it's a strawman argument. I never argued anything contrary to that.
Well, yes he did. He returned to Par Vollen for a time, and was submitted for another round of re-education.
In fact, his work with the Inquisition would have made him a valuable asset for the Viddasala's plot. In the event that she was not acting with official backing, he could have been targeted to receive special conditioning... that he could be counted on to act with obedience, in spite of what the Qun may conventionally dictate.
Of course, who can even say what the Qun dictates anymore, when its leading figures conduct themselves with such a lack of cohesion and transparency.
Source that he returned to Par Vollen for reeducation?
Of course it would have. So why didn't she use that asset until after Dragon's Breath was thwarted?
Wait, he was conditioned to act against the Qun? And this is because... he demonstrated loyalty to the Qun in Demands of the Qun?
Yeah, that seems to be a major problem the new writers have with the Qun. They can't quite seem to understand what it is supposed to mean. First gender issues, now chain of command issues. I'm sure next they'll try to change things to where Qunari are allowed to defy the higher ups by giving orders to those declared Tal-Vashoth...
...oh wait.
No, they were wearing the light armor that Dorian mocks in that particular party banter. And they were Ben-Hassrath, not members of the antaam, or the military branch.
But how could they deny it if they were spotted in places ready to strike after the nobles were blown up?
Viddasala is just a nutcase. Her words mean nothing. She invokes swords that do not obey her. They obey the Arishok, and no evidence suggests he or any other Qunari in Par Vollen intend to sweep the south.
Fine, but Hissrad was under no obligation to follow orders from her. His last official order was to be a spy, not combatant. If his role as Hissrad was over, then he knew about Dragon's Breath from the start, and he should have killed the Inquisitor before he could thwart the operation. He doesn't. So he wasn't in on it.
It is specifically stated that they are members of the Antaam in the dlc.
Easily. Just like they denied the events in Kirkwall. The thing is, they didn't plan on losing. If they'd succeeded, there would have been no reason to deny anything-most of Southern Thedas would have been under control of the Qun.
The only proof we have that her actions were unsanctioned is a single letter from the Triumvirate. Black-ops do this kind of thing all the time. 'If you get caught, we don't know you'.
We don't really know what official orders Hissrad received in the two years he was away, do we? It's not like he would tell us.
Again, they had a line of command. You not idea how statagy and organization in combat works. Military organization make place for when thing go their way and back up plan when things don't. Getting them by surprise does not matter if they have training and command line to reorganize and counter attack. The vinatori on the breach have that. the free mages of southern thedas don't.
It did not take a line of command for them to shoot fireballs at a ship. They just cast spells.
Besides, what makes you think circles would not have battlemages regardless of whether they were free or controlled?
Him being the lead writer doesn't mean he remembers everything he wrote. He is human and is still capable of making mistakes. I gave you a fact. You gave me a claim about Weekes' opinion. I doubt he even said what you claimed. So before discussing this further, do you have the source of his statement? Can I see a direct quote from him saying that?
Yeah, but the claim I was replying to was that Weekes said Bull turns on you because you let the Chargers die. I pointed out that the Chargers can live and Bull can still side with Viddasala. I disproved his alleged statement with a fact.
No, what was quoted was that with Dragon's Breath stopped, "the Qunari" retreated back to the north. That does not refer to the antaam or those in Par Vollen (who would already be in the north). The Qunari that quote refers to are the Qunari that Viddasala had under her command. Again, rogue Qunari.
And how could the Qunari "act" as if they did not condone it if they were seen to be officially ready to invade? How could they deny involvement if their army had been seen waiting for Dragon's Breath to conclude, and then retreating back north once it failed? No, the Qunari who retreated back north were the Qunari Viddasala was commanding without authorization from Par Vollen.
You know what? You're right.
You know more about the writers attend more than the writer himself. BECAUSE HEY YOU WOULD KNOW BECAUSE YOU WROTE THE STORY, RIGHT?!
You know more about the Qunari than I do, even though everyone debunked everything you said.
You know more about what Bull's mission is about because the chargers can still be alive, even when he still linked to the Qun and he's betraying you, not them!
You know the Viddasla was going against the Qun because apparently the Qunari don't lie about things to save their asses even though there mission is to 'enlighten'.
Of course, you know everything about Bull and the Qunari. But hey, the Bioware writers don't know their own story putting aside they write it. They don't remember what they wrote because they're stupid. They don't know their own characters. You're right, you know it all.
You are so up your ass it's not funny. I'm no longer going to argue with you being we're just rolling around in circles so the point is moot.
1. Not condeming them out of fear. it's logical to see they can coexsist as they are. Anytime you can work with them is limited beaus eof the nature of the qun. Even Sten who became my warden's Kadan told be one day he's coming back with the army of the qun will invade and hope he does not met my warden on the batter feild because he know they will fight to the death.
2. But they are invading in trespasser. That was the entire plan they had for dragon breath. That was one of the points of the dlc.
3. Again , the proof is the entire dragons breath plan.
1. ...
2. Who are "they"? Viddasala's relatively small band of rogue Qunari who are acting outside the sanction of those in Par Vollen.
3. That plan was carried out by Viddasala, who I contest was rogue. There is no proof of official Qunari involvement in that plan.
It is specifically stated that they are members of the Antaam in the dlc.
Easily. Just like they denied the events in Kirkwall. The thing is, they didn't plan on losing. If they'd succeeded, there would have been no reason to deny anything-most of Southern Thedas would have been under control of the Qun.
The only proof we have that her actions were unsanctioned is a single letter from the Triumvirate. Black-ops do this kind of thing all the time. 'If you get caught, we don't know you'.
We don't really know what official orders Hissrad received in the two years he was away, do we? It's not like he would tell us.
Okay, but are they acting under official orders, or were they just assigned to Viddasala because she requested them for something else? Remember, he role is to find and stop magic. She would need warriors for this, logically.
Yeah, and they truly didn't have any involvement in the events at Kirkwall. That Arishok can be court marshaled if allowed to return alive. Obviously they wouldn't deny anything if there is no one worth denying it too. But if they were involved and were seen being involved, then how could they deny it? They would have been caught. The denial only works if they really weren't involved.
Okay, what did that letter really say?
You know what? You're right.
You know more about the writers attend more than the writer himself. BECAUSE HEY YOU WOULD KNOW BECAUSE YOU WROTE THE STORY, RIGHT?!
You know more about the Qunari than I do, even though everyone debunked everything you said.
You know more about what Bull's mission is about because the chargers can still be alive, even when he still linked to the Qun and he's betraying you, not them!
You know the Viddasla was going against the Qun because apparently the Qunari don't lie about things to save their asses even though there mission is to 'enlighten'.
Of course, you know everything about Bull and the Qunari. But hey, the Bioware writers don't know their own story putting aside they write it. They don't remember what they wrote because they're stupid. They don't know their own characters. You're right, you know it all.
You are so up your ass it's not funny. I'm no longer going to argue with you being we're just rolling around in circles so the point is moot.
No, this has nothing to do with what I think. I posted a fact from the game. Fact > Weekes' opinion (if he even said that in the first place).
You are mistaken. No one refuted a single thing I wrote.
You clearly didn't read what I wrote.
I know this because of all the anti-Qun actions she took during the game. Just because the Qunari plan to invade one day does not mean it was THAT day.
Well I wouldn't condemn the writers to that before actually seeing them quoted on their alleged statement.
You can't argue with fact. You claim Weekes said Bull betrays us because we let the Chargers die. Yet the game shows that the Chargers can be alive and Bull still sides with Viddasala. So if Weeks really made that statement, then Weekes is 100% wrong. That's a fact. That's not my opinion.
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