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#51
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This happened last night. I think I tea-bagged him every game, actually. He wasn't being a very good sport about it. Would just get all silent.  :whistle:

 

Those belts and these hipster builds have upped my opportunities substantially.

 

 

What?  And no vid?  You are sliding, Proto, truly sliding


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Better than the Keeper in every way

 

You must be a bad Keeper then.

 

Here's a hint for you:

Spoiler



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This is what I use now Snakebite: http://da-skills.net...110,110,000,000

Items: No HOK what-so-ever. Dragon Rage Ring, Crit Dmg Ring, Amulet of Physical Immunity, Superb Belt of Urgency, and extra armor pen/critdmg/atk% on my hakkon gs

I was seeing wayyyyy larger Dragon Rages at 3/4-full health...even more at less than half (which is also when my speed increases from the belt. I get down to almost death then pop a devour and restart the cycle. Whenever a shield guy gets near me i just Mighty Blow him then go to town on his feeble body...mwahahahahahahaha

Oh and War Horn often for that sweet sweet XP ;)

 

Looks awesome!  I wish I could land a Superb Belt of Urgency; I have gotten a few blues, but no purples (and yet I have something like 45 Belts of whatever Pact).  I also need Combat Roll because I don't have that amazing amulet.

 

Do you even get extra XP from War Horn if you have already panicked everything with Terrifying Fury?  I find the panic annoying enough that I wish I could skip that passive altogether.

 

What?  And no vid?  You are sliding, Proto, truly sliding

 

He can't provide a video because it never happened.  No witnesses, no evidence... never happened.  :ph34r:

 

Now, on a completely unrelated note, here are a few tips to keep yourself from getting teabagged.

  • Remember to take your Superb Belt of _____ Pact off when you are level one
  • Remember to re-assign your abilities after you re-spec... especially if you are using one of the belts mentioned above
  • Don't face-tank a group of Shadows with Dragon Rage if you do not have Rampage
  • Don't play with Proto

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Looks awesome!  I wish I could land a Superb Belt of Urgency; I have gotten a few blues, but no purples (and yet I have something like 45 Belts of whatever Pact).  I also need Combat Roll because I don't have that amazing amulet.

 

Do you even get extra XP from War Horn if you have already panicked everything with Terrifying Fury?  I find the panic annoying enough that I wish I could skip that passive altogether.

 

I don't think it produces extra xp on top of it but when i rush into a group and pop it off then i have guaranteed support xp right from the beginning..and it breaks guard extremely well, should have said that to begin with lol



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I don't think it produces extra xp on top of it but when i rush into a group and pop it off then i have guaranteed support xp right from the beginning..and it breaks guard extremely well, should have said that to begin with lol

 

It breaks guard, but then you have to chase everything down.  I hate all that extra work.  Plus, everything is usually panicked after a couple swings anyway.  You probably only miss one enemies worth of support XP.  Devour can also hit enemies that are blocking, plus Mighty Blow.



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It breaks guard, but then you have to chase everything down.  I hate all that extra work.  Plus, everything is usually panicked after a couple swings anyway.  You probably only miss one enemies worth of support XP.  Devour can also hit enemies that are blocking, plus Mighty Blow.

You make a good point..I could drop the upgrade to WH for this instead: http://da-skills.net...110,010,010,111



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Always enjoy Kmeeg's input!

 

I put 8% HoK in my GS as well. It is not like the reaver need it, but I do use the 2h sword on other classes, which most certainly need some HoK. I prefer having the ring slot open for flexibility. With 8% on weapon I do not need a 10% HoK ring on some classes (10% HoK ring vs 20% Critical Damage Ring vs Ability Ring)

 

I don't like Armour Penetration on the Hakkon GS since it is not really that great for the Avvar. Also Armor penetration is not that good on high base damage weapons compared to low damage ones due to how the damage formula works. (not dps -> base damage!)

 

Ornate Pommel vs Etched Pommel:

 

Reaver(1 Dragon Rage & 1 Crit Damage) 

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK 

Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 20% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 8% HOK 

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 29% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 0% HOK

Etched Pommel(+AP) - 29% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 0% HOK

 

Result:

 

Ornate(+8% HOK) vs Etched(+9% Critical Damage, +7% Attack)

Ornate(+8% HOK) vs Etched(+9% Critical Damage, +12% AP)

 

Katari and Avvar - Multiple Options

 

High-Promotion Options:

 

Ornate Pommel w/ 2xCD

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 40% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK

Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 40% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 8% HOK

 

or Etched Pommel w/ 1xCD + 1xHOK

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 29% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 10% HOK
Etched Pommel(+AP) - 29% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 10% HOK

 

Low-Promotion Options:

 

Ornate Pommel w 1 x CD + 1 x HOK

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 18% HOK
Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 20% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 18% HOK

 

or Etched Pommel w/ 2xHOK

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 9% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 20% HOK
Etched Pommel(+AP) - 9% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 20% HOK

 

Result:

 

Ornate(+11% Critical Damage) vs Etched (+7% Attack, +2% HOK)

Ornate(+11% Critical Damage) vs Etched (+12% AP, +2% HOK)

 

It's splitting hairs. Neither is "absurdly" better. Etched is better for the Reaver. Ornate might be better for the Avvar and Katari. 

 

Obviously, if you don't have a Superb HOK rings, you should use the Ornate.  :D

 

I currently use the "Firm Greatsword Grip" w/ 18% Critical Damage and 9% Armor Pen. But, I don't really play the Reaver too much these days. I should get rid of the Armor Pen.

 

Which grip do you use Kmeeg?


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You make a good point..I could drop the upgrade to WH for this instead: http://da-skills.net...110,010,010,111

 

Those are both good passives.  If I ever get that amulet, I think I will drop Combat Roll and test out Ring of Pain.  It should actually be useful because we are at low health, and it makes Devour better.


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But yeah, first class you unlock should always be based on your equipment and weapons. Playstyle also has a lot to do with it.


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You must be a bad Keeper then.
 
Here's a hint for you:

Spoiler


Or you're a pretty bad Saarebas.

Insults can fly both ways you know... ;)



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Or you're a pretty bad Saarebas.

Insults can fly both ways you know... ;)

 

As if that's possible on a class that only needs to mash two buttons.

 

Templars will tear through the Saarebas just as well as any other magic. Only thing that makes her seem powerful on Heartbreaker is running her with the other two factions.

Keeper has better crowd control and support abilities. Saarebas just has barrier and offensive buffs.

 

Although why am I sitting here lecturing someone with a Salarian in their avatar about Dragon Age...



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As if that's possible on a class that only needs to mash two buttons.
 
Templars will tear through the Saarebas just as well as any other magic. Only thing that makes her seem powerful on Heartbreaker is running her with the other two factions.
Keeper has better crowd control and support abilities. Saarebas just has barrier and offensive buffs.
 
Although why am I sitting here lecturing someone with a Salarian in their avatar about Dragon Age...


Sorry, I always forget NOT to feed the trolls... My bad, won't happen again...

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As if that's possible on a class that only needs to mash two buttons.

 

Templars will tear through the Saarebas just as well as any other magic. Only thing that makes her seem powerful on Heartbreaker is running her with the other two factions.

Keeper has better crowd control and support abilities. Saarebas just has barrier and offensive buffs.

 

Although why am I sitting here lecturing someone with a Salarian in their avatar about Dragon Age...

 

Troll spotted :)


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Ok i have all warriors unlocked... I should work on the 1mil xp for them right?  Once I complete that, hopefully I will have all the mages (I got lucky and got Virtuoso in a chest), then the rogues, if I can manage to ever unlock Isabella.



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Ok i have all warriors unlocked... I should work on the 1mil xp for them right?  

 

I'd recommend doing so since the Dragonscale armor can have a noticeable impact on how long you survive on the lower difficulties in particular.  Honestly though, the most important thing is to do what you're going to enjoy the most.  I have zero problems playing the exact same kit 100+ times in a row but if you're going to have more fun mixing things up regularly then don't be afraid to swap things around more.

 

Sometimes it's better to do things in a "sub-optimal" manner if it helps keep you from burning out!


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As other said. Silent Sister is very durable.
I stuck with the Lego, he is incredibly tough and generates some great xp with Shield wall and taunt.
As for mage, you can't go wrong with Ele, AW or Saarebas. They are all great xp producers and Ele is very fun to play (in my opinion)

 

But how about that Saarebas, eh? Bacon Barrage FTW!


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But how about that Saarebas, eh? Bacon Barrage FTW!

Bacon Barrage?..... 


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Well played, sir.

 

EDIT: And on that note, I'm going to stop posting for a while and leave my post count at 666. 'Cause reasons.


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It should actually be useful because we are at low health, and it makes Devour better.


You can easily run into the problem of not having enough Stamina *to* Devour if you keep Ring of Pain up constantly for Dragon Rage/Devour bonuses.

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Those are both good passives.  If I ever get that amulet, I think I will drop Combat Roll and test out Ring of Pain.  It should actually be useful because we are at low health, and it makes Devour better.

Found a build I like even more :D

http://da-skills.net...110,010,C10,111

Sorry...I'm just trying more and more because conventional means are boring ;P



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You could always engage in a hopeless bromance with the Hunter if you hate yourself.

 

Seriously though, the Avvar is a solid choice. He is very versatile against any faction and fun to play; my second favourite character all in all. Until you make it to Perilous onwards, his comparative later squishiness is hardly an issue.

 

This first one is a very popular build that shall easily yield good results with lesser gear on Routine & Threatening

http://da-skills.net...0,010,010,011,0

 

The second one is the one I use on Perilous onwards. It focuses more on survivability. The upgraded Lightning Whirl is key, because according to my experience, it is distance that kills the Avvar the most.

http://da-skills.net...0,010,010,011,C

 

Keep spamming Hakkon's Charge whenever you can; and remember that even an uncharged random Korth's Might is a free knockdown; if needed.



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Always enjoy Kmeeg's input!

 

 

Ornate Pommel vs Etched Pommel:

 

Reaver(1 Dragon Rage & 1 Crit Damage) 

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK 

Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 20% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 8% HOK 

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 29% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 0% HOK

Etched Pommel(+AP) - 29% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 0% HOK

 

Result:

 

Ornate(+8% HOK) vs Etched(+9% Critical Damage, +7% Attack)

Ornate(+8% HOK) vs Etched(+9% Critical Damage, +12% AP)

 

Katari and Avvar - Multiple Options

 

High-Promotion Options:

 

Ornate Pommel w/ 2xCD

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 40% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK

Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 40% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 8% HOK

 

or Etched Pommel w/ 1xCD + 1xHOK

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 29% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 10% HOK
Etched Pommel(+AP) - 29% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 10% HOK

 

Low-Promotion Options:

 

Ornate Pommel w 1 x CD + 1 x HOK

 

Ornate Pommel(+Attack) - 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 18% HOK
Ornate Pommel(+AP) - 20% Critical Damage + 6% AP + 18% HOK

 

or Etched Pommel w/ 2xHOK

 

Etched Pommel(+Attack)- 9% Critical Damage + 11% Attack + 20% HOK
Etched Pommel(+AP) - 9% Critical Damage + 18% AP + 20% HOK

 

Result:

 

Ornate(+11% Critical Damage) vs Etched (+7% Attack, +2% HOK)

Ornate(+11% Critical Damage) vs Etched (+12% AP, +2% HOK)

 

It's splitting hairs. Neither is "absurdly" better. Etched is better for the Reaver. Ornate might be better for the Avvar and Katari. 

 

Obviously, if you don't have a Superb HOK rings, you should use the Ornate.  :D

 

I currently use the "Firm Greatsword Grip" w/ 18% Critical Damage and 9% Armor Pen. But, I don't really play the Reaver too much these days. I should get rid of the Armor Pen.

 

Which grip do you use Kmeeg?

 

I currently use: Ornate Pommel(+Attack) + 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK 

 

It is not the best individual choice but it seem to be the best compromise between Reaver, Avvar and Katari. I don't want to switch pommel each time I change class.

 

On my Avvar I tend to need a little more than 10% HoK so 18% seem to do really well.  The Avvar also got a limited/no use for armour penetration from his elemental attacks. My Katari does just fine with 8% HoK, while the 8% HoK seems like a bit of overkill on my reaver-  but it is a nice "safety factor".

 

I favor +Critical Damage over +Attack these days since I got a 100% critical chance and high willpower (250+). Sometimes when thinking about whether to add +Attack or +Critical damage I think like this:

 

"7 points" of Attack and Critical Damage, how to split them out to get the highest benefit?

2+5=7 

2x5=10 (Multiplier in attack formula)

or

3+4=7

3x4=12 (Multiplier in attack formula)

 

I try to balance them somewhat out. The 11% Critical vs 7% Attack + 2%HoK is barely noticeable.

 

On a sidenote if I build my GS only for the Reaver then I would definitely use the same as you Proto:

Firm Greatsword Grip" w/ 18% Critical Damage and 9% Armor Pen



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Found a build I like even more :D

http://da-skills.net...110,010,C10,111

Sorry...I'm just trying more and more because conventional means are boring ;P

 

I see you completely forgo Flow of Battle here.  Me too.  I played a few games with this build yesterday, and I quite like it.

 

http://da-skills.net...010,010,010,111

 

 

You can easily run into the problem of not having enough Stamina *to* Devour if you keep Ring of Pain up constantly for Dragon Rage/Devour bonuses.

 

It's possible, but it's fairly easy managing stamina on a class were the main ability uses no stamina, and the other two that do use stamina use small amounts.  There are also passives that restores stamina for being hurt (which is always happening on the Reaver), for hitting multiple enemies at once with basic attacks (I can use my Dancer's Axe if I get in trouble), and one that restores stamina faster if under 50%.



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I see you completely forgo Flow of Battle here. Me too. I played a few games with this build yesterday, and I quite like it.

http://da-skills.net...010,010,010,111



It's possible, but it's fairly easy managing stamina on a class were the main ability uses no stamina, and the other two that do use stamina use small amounts. There are also passives that restores stamina for being hurt (which is always happening on the Reaver), for hitting multiple enemies at once with basic attacks (I can use my Dancer's Axe if I get in trouble), and one that restores stamina faster if under 50%.

Yes I found that I only used flow of battle for rampage and sense I don't use rampage I don't need FOB..so I decided no ignore WarHorn as well and got Pommel Strike, MB both are excellent CC for her that I found. Knockdowns and stuns are always useful against enemies and they both deal very good damage. And Stamina control on Reaver is easy, that's why I only get the passives on the right tree (they are in the way anyway so why not lol)
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I currently use: Ornate Pommel(+Attack) + 20% Critical Damage + 4% Attack + 8% HOK 

 

I figured as much. I switched my sword over to Attack instead of AP. Just don't play the Reaver as much as the Avvar these days. 

 

You use a HOK ring on top of the 8% from the weapon? Have you tried dropping it recently? I only use 10% and it's dandy.