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[spinachdiaper]

Maker this, Chantry that, Andraste's knickers, Blah Blah. Seriously kind of fed up with the overly religious dialog everywhere especially since every game exposes more of the truth that none of it is real.  Also that Qun is another giant collective mind **** that needs to be toned down.

[Shaftell]

Not gonna happen anytime soon. I think religion plays a big role in Dragon Age. We've still got unfinished business with our friendly neighborhood elf.

[Fredward]

No thank you.

[Darkly Tranquil]

The exploration of religion, particularly it's social and political implications (irrespective of whether the belief has any basis in fact, or indeed even in spite of a lack thereof) is one of the major themes of the entire DA storyline. Entire civilisations rise and fall on the tides of belief and DA very much reflects that. Dropping these themes now without resolution when so much time and effort has gone into developing them would be a waste and leave the franchise without one of its central narrative pillars. One need only look at how much time is spent by fans dissecting and discussing the nature and status of the various deities and faiths of Thedas to see that it's a major component of the lore and that the world would be a lot less interesting without these theological mysteries to unravel. All that said, if we get to the end of the series and we don't get a proper resolution to these questions, I'll feel fairly ripped off.

[Nefla]

I think it's time to bring back "by the ****** of my ancestors!"

[nightscrawl]

Almost everyone -- outside the Dalish, the dwarves in Orzammar or Kal-Sharok, or the Qun -- even if they aren't particularly religious, will say things like, "Maker's Breath," or "Andraste's thingy," just as people in the real world will say, "Oh my God," or "Jesus Christ," even if they aren't religious. It may have been particularly noticeable in this game, but that type of language has always been there, along with similar things said by dwarves and the Dalish elves, though to a lesser degree since there are fewer of those people that we interact with.

[Nefla]

Almost everyone -- outside the Dalish, the dwarves in Orzammar or Kal-Sharok, or the Qun -- even if they aren't particularly religious, will say things like, "Maker's Breath," or "Andraste's thingy," just as people in the real world will say, "Oh my God," or "Jesus Christ," even if they aren't religious. It may have been particularly noticeable in this game, but that type of language has always been there, along with similar things said by dwarves and the Dalish elves, though to a lesser degree since there are fewer of those people that we interact with.

Indeed. In fact I would assume people saying those things were not religious considering it's blasphemy.

[Wren]

David Gaider started writing the DA universe with the initial question of, "What would a fantasy world where a Joan of Arc like figure was worshipped be like?".  So, yeah.  The whole story kind of revolves around themes of religious zealotry, etc.

[Donk]

Oh come on, Thedas would be a boring place without these religions.

[Xcorpyo]

I think the religious stuff adds another layer of authenticity to the story as a whole.  Even if sometimes it all feels a little too much.

 

But there is a reason for all the religious lore and all the legends. All of it will reach a climax when  every major religion is going to have a huge crisis of fate just as the biggest battle of their entire history is going to happen, between the forces of the Void/Chaos and the light/order/pink fluffy nugs.

 

Think about all the soul searching everyone is going to go through. Dwarves finding out that the lyrium they are selling to outsiders is the blood of their precious Stone. Will they stop, even if doing so will cut off most of their income and completely change their way of life, if they survive? Will they fight anyone else trying to mine lyrium by themselves?

 

What will the Chantry do when their followers are starting to find out all the lies they’ve been fed for centuries, all the made up stuff, all the stuff they removed from history, like elf mage leading the Seekers and the first inquisition, mages as seekers, etc? Not to mention if Andraste was really the vessel of Dumat. Or if the dwarves cut the lyrium supply.

 

The elves as well will get a huge wake up call when they find out their Creators are just elves, albeit very powerful ones. Not to mention the Dalish founding out that the vallaslin they bear to honour the Creators are really  slave markings of old, and the Creators enslaved their own people.

 

Now, if someone starts hearing some strange voices, does he know for sure they are from his gods? Even if they are, is he/she obligated to follow the instructions, if he has any choice in the matter? Questions, questions.

 

And with the new game set up in Tevinter, we’ll finally see how they react when they realise that the Old Gods might be the old elven gods. Well, the higher ups might now, or the old magisters  erased all mention of that fact the way the dwarves have no Memories about the Titans and lyrium being their blood. And more Qun. That will be interesting as well.

 

It will be interesting to see how the game devs will implement this in the new games. After all, they put too much emphasis on this part of the lore not to cash in on it now that they are at this point in the story.

[vertigomez]

Maker this, Chantry that, Andraste's knickers, Blah Blah. Seriously kind of fed up with the overly religious dialog everywhere especially since every game exposes more of the truth that none of it is real.  Also that Qun is another giant collective mind **** that needs to be toned down.

In a world where people shoot fireballs out their ass, I discount nothing.

[BSpud]

Yeah! I'm fed up with all the dragons and magic stuff, too. Also, add guns.

[jedidotflow]

Don't worry, TC, DA4 will definitely scale this back. The Vints have more important things to worry about than Andraste's existence.

[Darkstarr11]

Yeah! I'm fed up with all the dragons and magic stuff, too. Also, add guns.

 

And add space...with some sort of tech that allows near instant travel from one point to another.  THAT would be cool.

 

 

Okay, seriously, religion, mysticism, and faith are CORE THEMES.  You want something gutted of what makes it what it is?  Try the new Fantastic Four movie.  Yet here they HAVE to deal with the core themes.  Cassandra, Iron Bull, Leliana, Varric, Cullen, Dorian, Sera...man, okay, most EVERYONE in the cast has some part of who they are connected to faith in some way, shape, or form.  If you strip all that away, you might as well go back to Adventure...or Tetris.  

[Serza]

May the Dread Wolf take you.

[X Equestris]

If you can't deal with fictional people's fictional religions, how do you deal with real life?

[Korva]

I'm an atheist, and I love the mysticism and religious aspects in this game. In fact wish the faith theme had been dialed up instead of dialed back by the writers. My inspiration for my Inquisitor was a devout but open-minded Andrastian dealing with the upheavals surrounding her faith and the good and bad sides of the Chantry. And the other races? I'd love to play a dwarf in a setting where they have a working stone-sense and where the ancestor worship plays a big role. The massive revelations about the old elves and what that means for their modern-day descendants gave me a first sincere spark of interest in playing a race that previously didn't appeal to me at all (and that I still can't look at without gagging at the starving babyteen models, but that is another issue). Faith is a great way to flesh out cultures and provide roleplaying opportunities and challenges, so I'd rather have more of it than less.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

That was the point of Inquisition.  You lead an army of the faithful whether you believe or not. The majority of the game is about testing your faith and beliefs if you think ordained or accidental considering all the predicaments you're put in and whether or not certain truths uncovered about other groups and organizations effect what you believe.

[Al Foley]

Indeed. In fact I would assume people saying those things were not religious considering it's blasphemy.

I think it depends on the extent.  A simple 'Maker's breath' probably indicates belief, but once you start getting into Andrastae's various body parts....

 

Don't worry, TC, DA4 will definitely scale this back. The Vints have more important things to worry about than Andraste's existence.

I wouldn't be so sure this might just add another layer to the whole question and add even more complexity to it.  Plus Qunny Qun Qunari.  

 

May the Dread Wolf take you.

Thought you were calling him Pride?

[Serza]

Thought you were calling him Pride?

 

Yes, as is his true name.

 

"May the Dread Wolf take you" is a Dalish curse, however. Felt... appropriate, considering the thread, heh.

 

I'm funny like that.

[Al Foley]

Anyways, to answer the question...meaning no sense flippancy...go play Mass Effect.  That game has religion as pure window dressing.  Dragon Age has been about religion from the very beginning, TOSA anyone? 

[Wulfram]

I find Thedas rather under plays religion, really. Compared to Medieval Europe anyway, everyone is rather secular.

The only thing that annoyed me in DAI was that the game went on about Andrastean faith while almost totally ignoring that my Lavellan has a faith and it's not Andrastean.

[Serza]

Anyways, to answer the question...meaning no sense flippancy...go play Mass Effect.  That game has religion as pure window dressing.  Dragon Age has been about religion from the very beginning, TOSA anyone? 

 

Yeah, I think the closest you get to religions in ME is Turians saying "Spirits..." sometimes, Quarians talking about Ancestors (which is their religion, sort of), the Asari have Athame (mentioned maybe two times in the Trilogy, also revealed to have in fact been the Protheans by Javik). Of course, there's one truly religious person on your squad during the entire trilogy, and that's Ashley.

 

Who doesn't jam it down your throat. And NO, she's not a racist.

[Serza]

I find Thedas rather under plays religion, really. Compared to Medieval Europe anyway, everyone is rather secular.

The only thing that annoyed me in DAI was that the game went on about Andrastean faith while almost totally ignoring that my Lavellan has a faith and it's not Andrastean.

 

Actually, this.

 

Maker this and Maker that isn't nearly as common as human history claims with Jesus, and God.

[Al Foley]

I find Thedas rather under plays religion, really. Compared to Medieval Europe anyway, everyone is rather secular.

The only thing that annoyed me in DAI was that the game went on about Andrastean faith while almost totally ignoring that my Lavellan has a faith and it's not Andrastean.

I really do not see it I think that most people are religious.  The confusion comes from people tend to make assumptions on what that means, in both the DA verse and in real life.  Andrastianism is not Christianity so they have a more 'liberal' world view on many social issues.  But the 'church' is just as powerful and just as involved in events around Thedas as it was in Medeval Europe.  Of course DA I does give you the option of literally breaking the back of a lot of that power. (The Templar Order)

 

Yeah, I think the closest you get to religions in ME is Turians saying "Spirits..." sometimes, Quarians talking about Ancestors (which is their religion, sort of), the Asari have Athame (mentioned maybe two times in the Trilogy, also revealed to have in fact been the Protheans by Javik). Of course, there's one truly religious person on your squad during the entire trilogy, and that's Ashley.

 

Who doesn't jam it down your throat. And NO, she's not a racist.

Indeed but again they never explored it in a thematic sense.