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[KaiserShep]

Having more religion wouldn't have to mean adding more negative connotations, though. I'd personally love to see more positives. Chantry clergy helping the poor, the various festivals and calendar events we know exist, an actual Chantry service going on. Would have really loved to see the Grand Cathedral. (Maybe next game. :/)
 
I loved the details we get in codex entries about religion playing a part in the fabric of Andrastian culture. Like the song "Andraste's Mabari". I'll reiterate the festival thing, especially. Catholicism has a ton of feast days and festivals on its religious calendar and a lot of them were made a big to-do out of in medieval times (and still are, though more in some parts of the world than others). I'd love to see a major Andrastian holiday as a backdrop to some in-game event.  
 
But yeah, that's the kind of thing I think is missing from in-game NPC spiritual life, outside of the occasional codex entry. Though, listening to the chatter throughout DAI, we definitely got a LOT more Andrastian religious culture than previous games gave us.

Dragon Age: Christmas Special is the answer, amirite?

[Cz-99]

Kek

 

Made me laugh. Internally, though. It wasn't funny enough to elicit an actual, visible physical response. But inside tho - oh man.

[Daerog]

Having more religion wouldn't have to mean adding more negative connotations, though. I'd personally love to see more positives. Chantry clergy helping the poor, the various festivals and calendar events we know exist, an actual Chantry service going on. Would have really loved to see the Grand Cathedral. (Maybe next game. :/)

 

I loved the details we get in codex entries about religion playing a part in the fabric of Andrastian culture. Like the song "Andraste's Mabari". I'll reiterate the festival thing, especially. Catholicism has a ton of feast days and festivals on its religious calendar and a lot of them were made a big to-do out of in medieval times (and still are, though more in some parts of the world than others). I'd love to see a major Andrastian holiday as a backdrop to some in-game event.  

 

But yeah, that's the kind of thing I think is missing from in-game NPC spiritual life, outside of the occasional codex entry. Though, listening to the chatter throughout DAI, we definitely got a LOT more Andrastian religious culture than previous games gave us.

 

Tevinter is the place to be! Their religious holidays sound awesome, full of magic and such. Reading about their holidays in WoT Vol 1 makes me want to see one in DA4.

 

Dragon Age: Christmas Special is the answer, amirite?

 

Pfft, Dragon Age: Wintersend Special.

[Steelcan]

Again I just do not see it, I mean sure they do not have the same predjudices as religions of times past...but they still have their fair share of bigotry, intolerance, general weirdness. 

Bigotry and intolerance, whose worst aspect that we see in DA:I is elves having formerly not been allowed to go to university in Orlais.

 

on the chart of bigotry and intolerance, that scores fairly lowly.

[Dai Grepher]

No, they need to crank it up to 11! We need an exalted march against the Qunari and the false elven gods. In the name of Blessed Andraste! The Maker is with us!

[Cadeym]

DA religions need to dial it back already

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 I would have to disagree as that could lead to the chantry having less influence, and that would in turn make it rather unlikely that I would ever get to call an exalted march on the Qunari somewhere down the line.

[CoM Solaufein]

Its a dominating part of this game world. Since its a quasi Middle Ages type setting its something I would expect. Unlike our Middle Ages, you can get away with being a heretic, non-believer of the faith.

[KaiserShep]

Tevinter is the place to be! Their religious holidays sound awesome, full of magic and such. Reading about their holidays in WoT Vol 1 makes me want to see one in DA4.

 

 

Pfft, Dragon Age: Wintersend Special.

 

No lie I want a Wintersend festival in a DA game. You can't just mention it and never have it happen. Chug ale, give presents, kill sh*tloads of baddies, then go back to steps 1 and 2. 

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

To be honest, going by the title of this thread alone, I took a peek at this discussion fully expecting levels of vitriol that would require me to put on a hazmat suit. Seems like that is all in the Olde BSN now, and it was so great to read such constructive, genuinely interesting debate. 

 

So anyways, the religion angle is definitely one that does it for me when it comes to this universe; the story of Andraste is just so fascinating, I genuinely hope we will get to see more of it future installments. But what I think DA also does very well is explore the themes of faith taking a disastrously wrong turn. Aside from the obvious example of the Seven, I loved the hell out of the Disciples of Andraste/Urn of the Sacred Ashes storyline in DA:O. Dealing with the zealots, coupled with the explanation later provided by the Guardian is a frightening and fascinating example of how belief can slowly change and twist over time, to the point of bearing very little, if any, resemblance to its original form. Faith, I think, taps into a very primal need, a fear of the alone. Dorian put it best when he said that thinking that there is no Maker, nothing greater to reach out to, is utterly terrifying. Disciples of Andraste, becoming slowly overcome by that fear do some really impressive mental gymnastics and seek out the closest thing to the divine they have readily available - the dragon. I recently replayed the section and man, it was chilling. 

 

I genuinely hope they continue to explore and expand upon these topics. If we are going to Tevinter in DA:Next, I definitely hope there is more talk of these religious outliers, especially when it comes to the Old Gods and just dragon cults in general. 

[HK-90210]

Statement: If organic meatbags expect to get through Dragon Age without dealing with a great deal of theocratic infighting, they are playing the wrong series.

 

Gleeful Statement: Besides, seeing meatbags bicker and argue about the Maker overcharges the humor software within my emotional simulator. It truly is most pleasant. The Masters would never remove a source of such joy. Making everyone get along is not in their programming.

[Daerog]

To be honest, going by the title of this thread alone, I took a peek at this discussion fully expecting levels of vitriol that would require me to put on a hazmat suit. Seems like that is all in the Olde BSN now, and it was so great to read such constructive, genuinely interesting debate. 

 

 

Well, there is a way to fix that.

 

- Have Cullen divorce and/or cheat on a romanced Inquisitor (bonus points for getting another lady pregnant, lol @ Jacob's romance).

- Have Solas go crazy and become some weird Ancient Harvester that kills the Inquisitor and then trips over a cliff and dies.

- Allow the next protagonist in DA4 to own, purchase, and/or sell slaves.

- Make Wade and Herren villains for some random reason.

- Kill Sandal.

- Make a romance mandatory.

- Remove the tactical cam again.

- Say that they are adding more tactics, reference how tactics were done in Origins, then make the game a turn-based rpg like early Final Fantasy games.

 

... I'm starting to think this topic could be its own thread.

[ComedicSociopathy]

To be honest, going by the title of this thread alone, I took a peek at this discussion fully expecting levels of vitriol that would require me to put on a hazmat suit. Seems like that is all in the Olde BSN now, and it was so great to read such constructive, genuinely interesting debate. 

 

So anyways, the religion angle is definitely one that does it for me when it comes to this universe; the story of Andraste is just so fascinating, I genuinely hope we will get to see more of it future installments. But what I think DA also does very well is explore the themes of faith taking a disastrously wrong turn. Aside from the obvious example of the Seven, I loved the hell out of the Disciples of Andraste/Urn of the Sacred Ashes storyline in DA:O. Dealing with the zealots, coupled with the explanation later provided by the Guardian is a frightening and fascinating example of how belief can slowly change and twist over time, to the point of bearing very little, if any, resemblance to its original form. Faith, I think, taps into a very primal need, a fear of the alone. Dorian put it best when he said that thinking that there is no Maker, nothing greater to reach out to, is utterly terrifying. Disciples of Andraste, becoming slowly overcome by that fear do some really impressive mental gymnastics and seek out the closest thing to the divine they have readily available - the dragon. I recently replayed the section and man, it was chilling. 

 

I genuinely hope they continue to explore and expand upon these topics. If we are going to Tevinter in DA:Next, I definitely hope there is more talk of these religious outliers, especially when it comes to the Old Gods and just dragon cults in general. 

 

Thedas needs more nihilists who don't give a damn. 

[CoM Solaufein]

They need some http://gameofthrones...i/Lord_of_Light Servants of the Light.

[spinachdiaper]

Considering that every revelation about Thedas's history completely makes the religions look like broken mythology and fore lore used to manipulate and enslave the faithful into ignorance and obedience, it's not too much of a request to have a little less inspection of the main characters' beliefs mucking up every aspect of the next game.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Thedas needs more nihilists who don't give a damn. 

 

Agreed! I think we have yet to see a proper one. I guess Leliana comes somewhat close in DA:I, but her faith is wavering more than anything else and she seems to be struggling with the fact. Cory has that whole "The seat of the Maker is empty!" thing going for him, but he has a reaction to it - he freaks the eff out and adopts that whole "welp, might as well plop my bottom onto it myself, if nobody else is using it lol" attitude.

 

I guess a non-believer Inquisitor can have the outlook you described (or something approximating it) and be okay with it, but I don't really recall an NPC with that particular worldview. Hell, even people like Dorian, Varric and Sera are believers.

[Daerog]

I think the closest you get to nihilism would be the Empty Ones... but they all died, so...

[Poledo]

I guess I'm a little like the opposite. I would think I would probably not care or like it less if I wasn't a religious person. Since I am, I enjoy seeing religion and faith in games like Inquisition, even if the religion is unlike my own. It just makes the world more interesting to me.

 

I liked Thane and some of the religion that was touched on in ME, but I am greatly enjoying how religion is more prominent in Dragon Age.

 

Interesting. The writers really focus on drawing attention to the fact that the Gods were beings of great power, but they were not Gods and only elevated as such in title by the worshipers and of course history itself. I would think that would bother some.  Although, I guess since they won't confirm or deny the existence of the maker we are left with a very real comparison to real life. It's all a matter of belief.

[Erstus]

Uh, no.

Religion is at the core of the DA universe and is one of the main reasons and justifications for many of the events that has happened and still are happening. Politics, war, and whatever else.

Plus, I love the religious persucution displayed by the Chantry. It adds a more grounded and darker feel to the world.