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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Most people have seen Solas' epitaph in the Fade during Adamant. I am pretty sure this is not the fear of dying without a partner but without his people, the pre-veil elves if you wish to call them such. Since he does not identity with anyone in the modern era, including and especially modern elves, it seems to me his greatest fear must be to die without "real" elves because right now he is alone in the world without his people, all the more reason to want to bring them back, based simply on this fear. Thoughts?

[Wren]

At the very least, it implies that he is no longer immortal

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

At the very least, it implies that he is no longer immortal

Probably not.

[Elista]

Exactly what I was thinking after seing the last episode of Doctor Who... I totally agree with you OP !

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Exactly what I was thinking after seing the last episode of Doctor Who... I totally agree with you OP !

Sorry but did something happen with Doctor Who that is related to Solas?

[Elista]

If I remember correctly, Davros was saying to the Doctor that he would die alone no matter what, having locked
Gallifrey, his original planet with all his people, in some parallel dimension... he is the last of his kind because of his own actions and all his friends wont change that.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

If I remember correctly, Davros was saying to the Doctor that he would die alone no matter what, having locked
Gallifrey, his original planet with all his people, in some parallel dimension... he is the last of his kind because of his own actions and all his friends wont change that.

I see. Thanks.

[caradoc2000]

Sorry but did something happen with Doctor Who that is related to Solas?

Both use TARDIS (although in DA it is called Eluvian).

[myahele]

Why kill him when we can just tie him to a tree for all eternity while Sera practices her bow skills on him?

[Donk]

Why kill him when we can just tie him to a tree for all eternity while Sera practices her bow skills on him?

 

I'm stealing that for my honeymoon idea.

[Darkstarr11]

Most people have seen Solas' epitaph in the Fade during Adamant. I am pretty sure this is not the fear of dying without a partner but without his people, the pre-veil elves if you wish to call them such. Since he does not identity with anyone in the modern era, including and especially modern elves, it seems to me his greatest fear must be to die without "real" elves because right now he is alone in the world without his people, all the more reason to want to bring them back, based simply on this fear. Thoughts?

 

Even if he brings them back, he will be alone.  I think that is the interesting thing about him.  Solas has realized that he will ALWAYS be 'alone'.  Friends, elves, even a lover...he will always be 'alone' because his quest and guilt take precedence.  He is...like a combination of Ozymandius and Dr. Manhattan.  He forces himself to see the faces of the people he is going to be responsible for...meaning their deaths, and yet is utterly detached from even his own kind.  By the end, he is an immensely powerful being, the like which hasn't been seen in Thedas since the time of Arlathan.  His friend/mother figure is now 'dead' (I've always thought there was this parent/child relationship between Fen'Harel and Mythal since the reveal), and the only other true friend (or romantic interest) has now been utterly betrayed by him.  HE is alone because he has chosen to be alone...something that he hates more than anything else.  He is forcing himself into this self-imposed isolation so that he can complete this quest of his while aching for some form of contact.  

 

By the way, when you think about it, if he romanced Lavellan, the situation is WORSE.  How so?  As an enemy, he doesn't even change tack.  Simply moves forward with his plans.  An Inquisitor that is his friend, he holds out some small modicum of hope that he is wrong.  Lavellan?  He gives up.  He removes the Anchor, and walks away, saying 'I will never forget you.'  He just forced himself to walk away because she will interfere with his quest.  He openly states that his path will be the path of death.  It tears him apart.  Now?  Now that he broke the heart of the woman he loves; betraying her in the most personal, intimate way, and severing his connection to her in not just an emotional, but PHYSICAL way...Solas has NOTHING to lose now.  Hope is gone.  ALL he has, is his quest.  Even though in the slides, it appears he MAY be watching her from a distance, he is only punishing himself and using that anguish to move forward.  Solas has nothing left except his plan.  If he is willing to let the woman he loves die from a distance when he could save her from this tragedy (he even refuses to allow her to come WITH him), then he IS lost.  Heartbroken, alone and without any fear of loss...yeah, THAT is scary...better to have loved and lost?  NOT THIS TIME!

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Even if he brings them back, he will be alone.  I think that is the interesting thing about him.  Solas has realized that he will ALWAYS be 'alone'.  Friends, elves, even a lover...he will always be 'alone' because his quest and guilt take precedence.  He is...like a combination of Ozymandius and Dr. Manhattan.  He forces himself to see the faces of the people he is going to be responsible for...meaning their deaths, and yet is utterly detached from even his own kind.  By the end, he is an immensely powerful being, the like which hasn't been seen in Thedas since the time of Arlathan.  His friend/mother figure is now 'dead' (I've always thought there was this parent/child relationship between Fen'Harel and Mythal since the reveal), and the only other true friend (or romantic interest) has now been utterly betrayed by him.  HE is alone because he has chosen to be alone...something that he hates more than anything else.  He is forcing himself into this self-imposed isolation so that he can complete this quest of his while aching for some form of contact.  

 

 

Interesting.

[Qun00]

I have the feeling that Solavellan shippers won't take kindly to that statement.

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

Even if he brings them back, he will be alone.  I think that is the interesting thing about him.  Solas has realized that he will ALWAYS be 'alone'.  Friends, elves, even a lover...he will always be 'alone' because his quest and guilt take precedence.  He is...like a combination of Ozymandius and Dr. Manhattan.  He forces himself to see the faces of the people he is going to be responsible for...meaning their deaths, and yet is utterly detached from even his own kind.  By the end, he is an immensely powerful being, the like which hasn't been seen in Thedas since the time of Arlathan.  His friend/mother figure is now 'dead' (I've always thought there was this parent/child relationship between Fen'Harel and Mythal since the reveal), and the only other true friend (or romantic interest) has now been utterly betrayed by him.  HE is alone because he has chosen to be alone...something that he hates more than anything else.  He is forcing himself into this self-imposed isolation so that he can complete this quest of his while aching for some form of contact.  

 

By the way, when you think about it, if he romanced Lavellan, the situation is WORSE.  How so?  As an enemy, he doesn't even change tack.  Simply moves forward with his plans.  An Inquisitor that is his friend, he holds out some small modicum of hope that he is wrong.  Lavellan?  He gives up.  He removes the Anchor, and walks away, saying 'I will never forget you.'  He just forced himself to walk away because she will interfere with his quest.  He openly states that his path will be the path of death.  It tears him apart.  Now?  Now that he broke the heart of the woman he loves; betraying her in the most personal, intimate way, and severing his connection to her in not just an emotional, but PHYSICAL way...Solas has NOTHING to lose now.  Hope is gone.  ALL he has, is his quest.  Even though in the slides, it appears he MAY be watching her from a distance, he is only punishing himself and using that anguish to move forward.  Solas has nothing left except his plan.  If he is willing to let the woman he loves die from a distance when he could save her from this tragedy (he even refuses to allow her to come WITH him), then he IS lost.  Heartbroken, alone and without any fear of loss...yeah, THAT is scary...better to have loved and lost?  NOT THIS TIME!

That's what my current PT is!!!

I can't wait!

[Solas]

My thoughts on it from 6 months ago: [link]

 

Someone asked me, 

"So why do you think Solas's greatest fear is dying alone, when he seems like such a loner? That one confused me a bit."

 

My response:

"There are a few layers to it. On a basic symbolism level, the Dalish paint Fen’Harel as He Who Hunts Alone. He’s not literally a wolf, but wolves are pack animals. This ties into the next point. He’s currently alone not out of desire but by his own design, because he felt he had no choice.

 

He was one of the ancient elven “gods”. In order to save the People, he felt that he had to seal the others away. He basically took his peers - doubtless some were his former friends - and banished them all from the world. Mythal was murdered and a spark of her spirit joined with a human woman and she persisted in that form through the ages, but it’s not quite the same. Apart from Flemythal, Solas is the last of his kind in the world. There’s nobody left in the world who understands him on his level. There’s nobody left in the world who’s seen what he’s seen when he was younger. He thinks he can’t understand or be understood by modern elves. He’s alone in the world with the burden of his mistakes and the shadow of the People. He fears dying in a world where he hasn’t carried out his plans (unleashing them [the gods and thereby restoring the People]) because doing so would mean he had failed in his current quest.

 

Taking it further and looking at the future.. he probably feels that no matter what he does, he’ll die alone. Say he releases them - what then? The gods were fickle and feudal and sometimes warred amongst themselves. I doubt they’d forgive Fen’Harel for tricking them and locking them away for an eternity. If they don’t kill him outright, they won’t welcome him back among them. Solas is afraid that even if he achieves his goal, the future it would create can’t be his.

 

Of course in a Solavellan romance playthrough there is an extra layer of meaning. He’s scared he’ll die alone because he has to leave her in order to pursue his goals. And perhaps, if he still has a long lifespan thanks to what he is, he’s scared he’ll die alone long after Lavellan the mortal has perished."

 

[berelinde]

Reminds me of a banter between Solas and Varric. Most of their dialogue has to do with the loss of cultural identity, but one banter in particular stands out.

 

Solas: Is there at least a movement to reunite Orzammar and Kal-Sharok?

Varric: What is it with you, Chuckles? Why do you care so much about the dwarves?

Solas: Once, in the Fade, I saw the memory of a man who lived alone on an island. Most of his tribe had fallen to beasts or disease. His wife had died in childbirth. He was the only one left. He could have struck out on his own to find a new land, new people. But he stayed. He spent every day catching fish in a little boat, every night drinking fermented fruit juice and watching the stars.

Varric: I can think of worse lives.

Solas: How can you be happy surrendering, knowing it will all end with you? How can you not fight?

Varric: I suppose it depends on the quality of the fermented fruit juice.

Solas: So it seems.

 

 

And Solas is no better. He could be out there establishing a connection with modern elves, maybe sharing what he remembers of ancient language, art, and culture so that it lives on in some form, at least. He could be striking out on his own to find a new land, as it were. But he''s staying on his own little Fade island, drinking regret and watching ghosts.

[Boost32]

Then I will fullfil his wishes I will kill him and kill every Ancient Elf who is supporting him, this way he will not die alone.

[Uirebhiril]

Then I will fullfil his wishes I will kill him and kill every Ancient Elf who is supporting him, this way he will not die alone.

 

It's interesting that we often become that which we wish to overpower.

[Boost32]

It's interesting that we often become that which we wish to overpower.

When my Inquisitor or another PC goes on about destroying the world then yes, until then there is nothing wrong about executing mad people who want to start a war.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's interesting that we often become that which we wish to overpower.

Really? I have no plans on becoming a monster who destroys the entire world to try to fix an earlier 'mistake' that destroyed the world. 

[myahele]

It's interesting that we often become that which we wish to overpower.

We can always be merciful and seal him up ala the Old Gods?

[Wren]

It's interesting that we often become that which we wish to overpower.

It also makes me think of just how negative the outcomes are in this game (Iron Bull's quest being a prime example) when we choose for our players to behave only in terms of black & white, kill or be killed, all good or all evil.  It's almost as if the game was designed to reward those who choose to be compassionate and moderate in their gameplay.

[Barnzi88]

 

And Solas is no better. He could be out there establishing a connection with modern elves, maybe sharing what he remembers of ancient language, art, and culture so that it lives on in some form, at least. He could be striking out on his own to find a new land, as it were. But he''s staying on his own little Fade island, drinking regret and watching ghosts.

 

 

Solas tried sharing all he knew with the Dalish, but they all turned him down and derided him as a mad man. How could he connect with the modern elves when they see him as nothing but a 'flat ear'? 

[berelinde]

Solas tried sharing all he knew with the Dalish, but they all turned him down and derided him as a mad man. How could he connect with the modern elves when they see him as nothing but a 'flat ear'? 

There's a difference between gently offering something as an "alternative interpretation" and preaching, and Solas isn't always adept at knowing where to draw the line. He's even like that with a Dalish Inquisitor at first. He eventually admits that he doesn't know everything, but there needs to be a good deal of rapport to get to that point.

 

I don't blame the Dalish for resisting Solas's lessons. His statements contradicted more than a thousand years their history. Given enough time and leisure to process the information Solas was giving them, they might have come around, but (initially, at least) Solas isn't always patient. Plus, most people expect there to be some compromise, some give and take. Solas wasn't convinced that the Dalish were even people (at first), let alone that their views might have merit.

[Jaison1986]

 

 

And Solas is no better. He could be out there establishing a connection with modern elves, maybe sharing what he remembers of ancient language, art, and culture so that it lives on in some form, at least. He could be striking out on his own to find a new land, as it were. But he''s staying on his own little Fade island, drinking regret and watching ghosts.

 

You can discuss this with Solas actually. I think you need low approval.

 

 

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And the truth is that Solas is right. The elves can't be helped as things are now. And even if they moved to a new land to start over, the humans or qunari wouldn't tolerate them for long. And yet another war for dominance will start.