18 Antworten in diesem Thema

[silentlaze]

I've only found a few topics online but I also wanted to discuss this. A friend and I have been arguing about this and wanted to see what everyone else thought. Personally I feel like Shepard wouldn't have needed to search for evidence with Nihlus backing him up. Since they wouldn't need to search for evidence, no Garrus, Wrex and Tali. Without Tali's evidence there wouldn't be a connection between Saren and Benezia until later. By then Liara would be either killed or indoctrinated. Any other thoughts? Agree or disagree?

[Visionedmetal]

I believe that it was better that Nihlius died. While I thought that for the brief time we got to know him he was a captivating character, however if he had  of survived than Shepard may of never meet Wrex,Garrus or Tali while searching for the evidence necessary to prosecute Saren and since all three of these characters are some of the best in the game I believe that it may of been better if Nihlius died. 

[iM3GTR]

Nihlius and Shepard would search the Galaxy for Saren, taking down every Geth in their way. Benezia would be screwed. The Thorian would be screwed. The Krogan Battlemaster would be screwed. And other awesome things will happen including kick ass cut scenes, kick ass quotes and lots of crazy action would take place. 

[MegaIllusiveMan]

That depends, actually... See, if Nihilus had survived, that would imply that he suspected of Saren's Betrayal (No reason why he should since they were long time friends or "co-workers"

 and then,

1-Killed Saren right there(Thus discovering Sovereign, the Reapers and then teaming up with Shepard and crew, bring the evidence to the Council to gather a fleet and take out Sovereign), or Sovereign (without Saren) would be desperate and attack the Citadel right after Eden Prime.

 

Or, the encounter never happened, so Saren would be way ahead of Shepard and Crew and the Colony would've been blown to bits(Since the Geth only activated the Bombs to wipe out Eden Prime after Saren got there after killing Nihilus, which took him some time)

[spockjedi]

Samara would kill him in ME2.

[RakhanaBby]

I've had this idea in my head about a non-fatal shot Nihlus might receive at some alternate universe due to his senses actually reacting before Saren raised his pistol. If Shepard and the human squadmates find him, then the turian might, well, be hospitalized until (insert after hospital discharge scene with an emergency Spectre duo mission with him and Shepard)

Sadly, that still involved Nihlus facing Saren at the last minute and delaying his assault on Shepard with Nihlus's own life....yeah, my AU ideas are depressing. 

But then again, this meaning behind Nihlus' name ain't helping much: "Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy."

​Thank you for the trauma, BioWare.

[Cheviot]

He'd say "What the hell, Saren?" then arrest him.

[bunch1]

The question is how does he survive as that impacts how the game changes.  If he stays with Shepard to evaluate him/her then they he survives no problem, but the scared dock worker still sees a turian among the geth.  A vague description sets off alarm bells in Nihlius's head and the group moves on to the beacon where they call it in, Ash/Kaiden get to close and Shep saves them and gets the warning.  Specter and recruit report back and investigate the turin and find Wrex and Tali, but no investigation into Saren means low chance of meeting Garrus.  Shep may or may not be made a specter as the chase for Saren may be viewed as his continued audition with Nihilus.  After that game plays out much the same with Nihlius looming over shep as a more senior specter who advises Shep and maybe once or twice override him/her and strain their relationship.

 

If Nihilus is shot but survives in critical condition I don't see huge change.  Worker still reveals the name Saren and they push on to finish the mission leaving the dock worker to tend the specter, maybe give all medi-gel and continue with handicap or none and he dies.  The Normandy picks him up with the rest and he is taken to the citadel for treatment like virmire survivor in ME3 and we don't see him again until after a couple of major worlds.  He likely won't join your crew but may help with the lock-down or join you for the run to Ilos.

 

If Nihilus reacts fast enough to defeat Saren at the dock then things change.  Shep links up and is told to press on and secure the beacon while the specter deals with the rouge specter.  Saren interrogated and reveals reapers, he honestly believes himself in the right and will admit it sooner or later, with matches Shep's visions and they report back to council.  The pair work to investigate reaper and geth and may or may not find Tali and Wrex.  The game plays out much the same except it will likely take place on different worlds.  Noveria may be avoided as Beniza is now Sovereign's top agent and may not go there.  Likewise Virmire may not be a critical system unless Beniza is likewise aware enough to worry about indoctrination or order a genophage cure to bring STG, unsure how long they were there.

 

Of these I would prefer the first as it would allow Shepard a real mentor and allow us to make some dumb choices and have Nihlius there to bail us out.  We would be like a sidekick taking their first steps as a solo hero with their mentor their to catch them when they fall, but otherwise let us struggle on.  So when ME2 comes around it would be much harder because now we would not only be dealing with being brought back from the dead, tasked with leading a suicide squad to save humanity, but we would have no one make sure we didn't screw it up ampping up the pressure.

[Gaaxure]

Depends on the circumstances of his survival, if he never encountered Sarren, his survival is actually a huge setback. If the two met and Sarren just lied his way out of situation, I think not much changes. If Sarren was captured it puts the whole story upside down and too much speculation needs to take place to predict the outcome.

[aoibhealfae]

I'll trade Garrus for him...

[Beerfish]

We would all be Reaper bait.  Nihlus would have failed Shepard and exclude him/her from the spectres.  Eng game.

[Broganisity]

The best story and simplest to implement that I can see coming out of the event of Nihilus surviving would involve the human dock worker warning Nihilus of Saren attempting to shoot him. A simple change that means a good deal.

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Saren fires, but Nihilus evades the shot and the two enter a brief skirmish where Nihilus attempts to uncover answers as to why his friend has betrayed him. Cue Saren being ominous and vague. Nihilus warns Shepard of the situation. Shepard finds the Prothean beacon. Saren withdraws from his fight against Nihilus.

Nihilus signs onto Shepard's squad and leads Shepard to the citadel council. Shepard joins the Spectres with Nihilus as his mentor; their mission is still to track down Saren. Garrus approaches the two spectres with information concerning a Quarian (Tali) holding information about Saren. The player is able to hire Tali, Wrex, and Garrus with minor adjustments to their recruitment story as needed.

The game continues as normal, with the player gaining Liara at some point. Over the course of the game, Nihilus and Shepard can form a bond of camaraderie (sorry, no romance option here!), with Nihilus seeing the potential of humanity through Shepard and Shepard learning what it means to be a Spectre (regardless of if they follow Nihilus' particular blend of, uh, Spectre-ing). Nihilus does not approve of letting the Rachni Queen or the Thorian Asari go free. He is more along the lines of a Renegade Spectre albeit without the cocky jerk attitude, and will get along more with a Shepard who behaves similarly.

The game takes a bit of a turn during Virmire. Nihilis will shoot Wrex without hesitation if the Krogan is not convinced to stand down immediately.

Everything goes to **** as normal, but now Nihilus is trapped fighting Saren. The player has to choose between saving Kaiden, Ashley, or Nihilus; Choosing between three friends (and their possible love interest), two of which are human and one of which is a Turian Spectre. This time, you will only fight Saren on Virmire if you go to help Nihilus.

If the player saves Nihilus, he chastises the player for making what he thinks is 'the wrong decision' and also questions why he chose to leave 'the humans' behind. The player can respond with remarks relating to their friendship, their mentor-pupil relationship, instinct, or Nihilus' skills. Either way, he will offer his condolences to Shepard's loss of crewmates and then acknowledge the player has truly learned what it means to be a Spectre: having to make the harsh choices that no one else should ever have to. If the player was supportive and kind to Nihilus, he will also state that he believes humanity deserves a spot on the council and will argue the point once Saren is brought to justice.

During the final confrontation with Saren, Nihilus (if taken along) will approve greatly if Saren is convinced of his indoctrination and will say a final farewell to his friend. Instead of committing suicide, Nihilus will shoot Saren point blank in the head. The second part of the boss-fight will continue as normal.

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In Mass Effect 2, he's met in the place of Kaiden and Ashley if he was the one to survive. If Samara is recruit-able at this point, the two will exchange polite-but-combative banter given their past encounter. Later, when speaking to Samara and she brings up this point, the player will have extra dialogue concerning Nihilus and whether or not he is still alive.

He will be accusative and suspicious of Shepard, especially if Shepard was pro-unity in the first game. If befriended, he will accuse Shepard of being an imposter as 'The real Commander Shepard would never work with a group like Cerberus!'. He will be angry with Garrus as well.
Later on he will send a message to the player apologizing.

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He fills a similar role in Mass Effect 3 as the other Virmire survivors. However, as he is already a Spectre, he is on Mars by authority of the council, when he is injured and taken to Huerta Memorial Hospital. At some point he, begrudgingly, becomes Udina's protector.

He can be recruited as usual of the Virmire Survivor, assuming his survival.

 

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Besides, he did survive. . .in a sense. In fact, you meet him later on, under a different name...

[TheTechnoTurian]

I would have dated him. 

[RakhanaBby]

I love how lamost everyone is between "he would've been a kickass mentor-companion" and "yeah moar turian booty plz" haha

[RakhanaBby]

The best story and simplest to implement that I can see coming out of the event of Nihilus surviving would involve the human dock worker warning Nihilus of Saren attempting to shoot him. A simple change that means a good deal.

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Saren fires, but Nihilus evades the shot and the two enter a brief skirmish where Nihilus attempts to uncover answers as to why his friend has betrayed him. Cue Saren being ominous and vague. Nihilus warns Shepard of the situation. Shepard finds the Prothean beacon. Saren withdraws from his fight against Nihilus.

Nihilus signs onto Shepard's squad and leads Shepard to the citadel council. Shepard joins the Spectres with Nihilus as his mentor; their mission is still to track down Saren. Garrus approaches the two spectres with information concerning a Quarian (Tali) holding information about Saren. The player is able to hire Tali, Wrex, and Garrus with minor adjustments to their recruitment story as needed.

The game continues as normal, with the player gaining Liara at some point. Over the course of the game, Nihilus and Shepard can form a bond of camaraderie (sorry, no romance option here!), with Nihilus seeing the potential of humanity through Shepard and Shepard learning what it means to be a Spectre (regardless of if they follow Nihilus' particular blend of, uh, Spectre-ing). Nihilus does not approve of letting the Rachni Queen or the Thorian Asari go free. He is more along the lines of a Renegade Spectre albeit without the cocky jerk attitude, and will get along more with a Shepard who behaves similarly.

The game takes a bit of a turn during Virmire. Nihilis will shoot Wrex without hesitation if the Krogan is not convinced to stand down immediately.

Everything goes to **** as normal, but now Nihilus is trapped fighting Saren. The player has to choose between saving Kaiden, Ashley, or Nihilus; Choosing between three friends (and their possible love interest), two of which are human and one of which is a Turian Spectre. This time, you will only fight Saren on Virmire if you go to help Nihilus.

If the player saves Nihilus, he chastises the player for making what he thinks is 'the wrong decision' and also questions why he chose to leave 'the humans' behind. The player can respond with remarks relating to their friendship, their mentor-pupil relationship, instinct, or Nihilus' skills. Either way, he will offer his condolences to Shepard's loss of crewmates and then acknowledge the player has truly learned what it means to be a Spectre: having to make the harsh choices that no one else should ever have to. If the player was supportive and kind to Nihilus, he will also state that he believes humanity deserves a spot on the council and will argue the point once Saren is brought to justice.

During the final confrontation with Saren, Nihilus (if taken along) will approve greatly if Saren is convinced of his indoctrination and will say a final farewell to his friend. Instead of committing suicide, Nihilus will shoot Saren point blank in the head. The second part of the boss-fight will continue as normal.

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In Mass Effect 2, he's met in the place of Kaiden and Ashley if he was the one to survive. If Samara is recruit-able at this point, the two will exchange polite-but-combative banter given their past encounter. Later, when speaking to Samara and she brings up this point, the player will have extra dialogue concerning Nihilus and whether or not he is still alive.

He will be accusative and suspicious of Shepard, especially if Shepard was pro-unity in the first game. If befriended, he will accuse Shepard of being an imposter as 'The real Commander Shepard would never work with a group like Cerberus!'. He will be angry with Garrus as well.
Later on he will send a message to the player apologizing.

-----

He fills a similar role in Mass Effect 3 as the other Virmire survivors. However, as he is already a Spectre, he is on Mars by authority of the council, when he is injured and taken to Huerta Memorial Hospital. At some point he, begrudgingly, becomes Udina's protector.

He can be recruited as usual of the Virmire Survivor, assuming his survival.

 

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Besides, he did survive. . .in a sense. In fact, you meet him later on, under a different name...

UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME...

Don't you dare...XD

[Broganisity]

UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME...

Don't you dare...XD

His name was Marauder Shields...

[RakhanaBby]

His name was Marauder Shields...

[Broganisity]

[Scarlett]

When I saw him, I felt in love with turians instantly

He has one of the best design in the whole game (maybe this is why they reuse some most parts of his face for Sparatus) to me and seems to be a really cool character, the kind of guy who do the job fast and properly, I also like the fact he doesn't judge people based on their species... proof of intelligence.

About the story, you can never know what would happened if he was alive. I don't see why we wouldn't be able to have our current team (except for Garrus, sadly I don't see Bioware giving us 2 turians on your crew even if I would love to play with both of them), I mean, you never know how the plot could have turned.

And since Nihlus was Saren's friend, the betrayal could have turned into something really interesting for his background. Running after Saren for an explanation, a revenge, or just trying to save him from indocrination... it could have been good reasons to have Nihlus with us on the Normandy.

 

I was absolutly disgusted to see him dying after 20 minutes of game, a big waste IMO.

 

 

Samara would kill him in ME2.

 

A very interesting situation in fact and a very hard decision for Shepard to take here, like throwing one of them out of the crew ? worse, killing one of them ? or trying to calm things and find a deal ? who knows.

 

Also, Am I the only one who noticed his clone on ME2 in the police station during Samara's recrutement mission ?  well it's not 100% him (not have his terrific green eyes) but I was so shocked... me talking to my screen : "Nini, what are you doing heeeeere ?... oh sorry Sir but you just look like very much to a pal who...died *go crying on a corner*"