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[Kirby5413]

I don't know...if/when Solas is defeated/changes his mind about the CRAZY maybe he'll just use some nifty Elvhen magic to make everyone forget (please read that as half joking). Or...maybe some new even worse enemy (the Titans, Elgar'nan, Morrigan/Mythal on a vengeance rampage, Reapers, Darth Revan) will rear its ugly head, so no one will have time to punish the elves. 

 

That being said, there is no reason to believe the elves couldn't hold their own against shem forces in the aftermath of whatever happens with Solas. They may have the eluvian network, fancy ancient elven armor and weapons caches, sentinel elves, guerrilla warfare training from The Dread Wolf, and possibly freed elven circle mages all at their disposal. I know we are accustomed to thinking of elves as weak victims, but maybe this time they will rise up and truly never again submit. With the truth coming out about Ameridan, the reintroduction of the Canticle of Shartan, Briala sitting as a Marquise of the Dales, AND Solas' CRAZY to top it off, the elves are going to be high on Elven Pride in my world state.

 

At least there is probably an eluvian leading to someplace so far away where the elves could safely hide from their enemies indefinitely. Who knows what lies beyond the edges of the map of Thedas? Maybe that's where all the servants went when they disappeared.

 

On the contrary, there is a reason to believe that the Elves will not be able to hold their own against their new found enemies. You have the entirety of Thedas, EVERY country which are ruled by Humans attacking them, the Grey Wardens from Anderfels coming in to wipe them out while assisting the Chantry in their new Exalted marches, the entire Qunari legions and the Dwarves from underground attacking them! All on a regular basis.

 

Also, let's not forget that the Circles of Magi were once temples of the Tevinter Imperium and the Dwarves used to have gollums at their disposal. Both the Dwarves and the Tevinters were once THE most powerul forces in the world and the Qunari are currently more powerful than any force on Thedas.

 

So if the Tevinter Imperium and the Dwarves were to regain their former power even in the slightest combined with the Qunari joining them in their crusade against the Elves and the fact that they will be having the Grey Wardens joining the others and every Human nation on Thedas will be declaring war with them and the Chantry will be leading countless exalted marches against them, that is a force that not even Fen'Harel or Corypheus or both would be able to stop.

 

In other words, THE ELVES ARE COMPLETELY SCREWED!! Especially if the Tevinters regain some of their former power and lead the new coalition into wherever the Elves go to with their Eluvians. 

 

The crocks of the matter is that we might very well see the end of the Elves as a species or beaten completely into submission with slavery being A-Ok with everyone on Thedas, the destruction of the Arlathan forest and any Elven artifact found unless after the events of DA4 or when Solas is stopped.

 

Unless someone, mainly the protagonist of DA4 that we will be playing as will have enough influence to prevent such a catastrophic event that awaits the Elves and Elf-Blooded humans for that matter after Solas' defeat, then it is curtains for the Elves and only the Elf-Blooded Humans will survive, but will be the new target for discrimination and abuse in their Elven parent's place. 

 

Truth be told and sad!

[Kirby5413]

Here's an interesting thought:

 

Solas takes down the Veil, expecting only those with ancient elf blood to survive, but forgets the tiny little detail above.  So now everybody takes up pitchforks and goes after him.

 

Now this is not too far fetched! LMAO!

[Ianamus]

Thanks for the reply!

 

It's kind of sad that they inherit nothing from their elven parent. That's half their heritage... but in a way it's not all

 

I've always assumed that they can still inherit things like hair colour, eye colour, nose shape and so on from an elven parent. I know Thedas most likely doesn't follow real-life genetics, but if the elven parents contributed absolutely nothing then wouldn't the children just be clones of their human parent?

[Kirby5413]

I've always assumed that they can still inherit things like hair colour, eye colour, nose shape and so on from an elven parent. I know Thedas most likely doesn't follow real-life genetics, but if the elven parents contributed absolutely nothing then wouldn't the children just be clones of their human parent?

 

There have been some exceptions when it comes to Elf-Blooded humans! Fenreil is one of them! That being said, we might see more Elf-Blooded humans like him in future games!

[EBDerevko]

I think I was wrong when I wondered if Solas may have wanted to attract the Inquisitor to him to warn them in some hidden hope that they'd stop him.

 

He just wanted to conveniently make the Inquisitor overcharge the Anchor voluntarily (while reaching him through the Crossroads) so that they'd want him to remove it, or else it would kill them. He was the only one supposed to hold the Anchor, so someone else having it would imply a threat to his "plans". It makes sense, and he would have effectively tricked the Inquisitor to the end.

 

As for the Elves, everyone will be looking at them with suspicion but... I think there's another threat of possible non-Elven allies that Solas could have: The Order of the Fiery Promise. They share common goals and, presuming the Promisers are mostly human, they could infiltrate anywhere completely undetected. The Seekers rebuilt would be terribly needed. (Someone else seems to have established a much more consistent connection between Solas and the Promisers.)

 

Also, I find it curious that Solas' goals was the possible reality in the alternative future that Alexius can send you to. The actually curious part is that Solas didn't like the idea, it seems.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

"This world is an abomination. It must never come to pass."

 

"The Veil is shattered. There is no boundary between the world and the Fade."

 

Well, wasn't that what he wanted, to begin with?

 

[Homeboundcrib]

I think I was wrong when I wondered if Solas may have wanted to attract the Inquisitor to him to warn them in some hidden hope that they'd stop him.

He just wanted to conveniently make the Inquisitor overcharge the Anchor voluntarily (while reaching him through the Crossroads) so that they'd want him to remove it, or else it would kill them. He was the only one supposed to hold the Anchor, so someone else having it would imply a threat to his "plans". It makes sense, and he would have effectively tricked the Inquisitor to the end.

As for the Elves, everyone will be looking at them with suspicion but... I think there's another threat of possible non-Elven allies that Solas could have: The Order of the Fiery Promise. They share common goals and, presuming the Promisers are mostly human, they could infiltrate anywhere completely undetected. The Seekers rebuilt would be terribly needed. (Someone else seems to have established a much more consistent connection between Solas and the Promisers.)

Also, I find it curious that Solas' goals was the possible reality in the alternative future that Alexius can send you to. The actually curious part is that Solas didn't like the idea, it seems.

Spoiler

"This world is an abomination. It must never come to pass."

"The Veil is shattered. There is no boundary between the world and the Fade."

Well, wasn't that what he wanted, to begin with?

I don't think you were wrong to wonder that I think solas does want to be stopped, if romanced he was going to tell you the truth but back out at the last min.
As for the anchor the inqusitior was never meant to have it no one was, the Inqusitor was just there at the wrong time. Towards the end the anchor became unstable that's why it was over charging.

I think all elves are now gonna have a target on there back more than usual I'm guessing some left just for that reasons others because they believe solas plans. I'm also guessing that the humans with elf blood will be treated as humans and there are no humans allowed in solas new world.

I thought there were multiple futures and they just experienced that one I'm probably wrong though.

[EBDerevko]

As for the anchor the inqusitior was never meant to have it no one was, the Inqusitor was just there at the wrong time. Towards the end the anchor became unstable that's why it was over charging.
 

 

 

There still must be something else, something special and yet unknown about the Inquisitor. Both Corypheus and Solas mention that only them could have wielded the Anchor and survive, so how did the Inquisitor manage to do that?

 

To reach him during Trespasser, you're required to enhance the Anchor further a couple of times, all of which happen in front of ancient sculptures of Elven trees at the Crossroads (and the Deep Roads too if I recall well, but I could be wrong.) Basically, he left the trail of magic, except the trail is the thing killing the Inquisitor progressively, though Solas didn't meant to actually kill the Inquisitor, but rather to attract them to him somehow.

 

At the beginning of Trespasser, the Inquisitor doesn't really have much problems with the Anchor or anything, but each time they come across one of those trees and the Anchor gets more powerful, they start feeling worse and worse.

 

If Solas had kindly asked to meet the Inquisitor to remove the Anchor, it would have seemed suspicious to say the least, especially after his sudden disappearance. Instead, he made the Inquisitor go to him and even want to have the Anchor removed... it worked. Now, no one opposing him has a weapon that can actually do anything about what he intends. The Inquisitor had Solas', but now it's gone and there's nothing standing in his way. Why take a couple of years to announce that he's bringing the apocalypse though? Why not bring it right then and that's it?

 

If the Inquisitor had continued to have the Anchor attached, it would mean that they could enter the Fade physically anytime and complicate his plans. This way, he had that covered. Otherwise, it makes no sense to leave a trail of Qunari corpses just to tell the Inquisitor to enjoy their last moments alive because everything is going to hell.

[Nixou]

At the beginning of Trespasser, the Inquisitor doesn't really have much problems with the Anchor or anything, but each time they come across one of those trees and the Anchor gets more powerful, they start feeling worse and worse.

 

 

I suspect that the Anchor was always going to keep growing until it killed the Inquisitor: the events in the crossroads merely hastened an already ongoing process

[Homeboundcrib]

There still must be something else, something special and yet unknown about the Inquisitor. Both Corypheus and Solas mention that only them could have wielded the Anchor and survive, so how did the Inquisitor manage to do that?

To reach him during Trespasser, you're required to enhance the Anchor further a couple of times, all of which happen in front of ancient sculptures of Elven trees at the Crossroads (and the Deep Roads too if I recall well, but I could be wrong.) Basically, he left the trail of magic, except the trail is the thing killing the Inquisitor progressively, though Solas didn't meant to actually kill the Inquisitor, but rather to attract them to him somehow.

At the beginning of Trespasser, the Inquisitor doesn't really have much problems with the Anchor or anything, but each time they come across one of those trees and the Anchor gets more powerful, they start feeling worse and worse.

If Solas had kindly asked to meet the Inquisitor to remove the Anchor, it would have seemed suspicious to say the least, especially after his sudden disappearance. Instead, he made the Inquisitor go to him and even want to have the Anchor removed... it worked. Now, no one opposing him has a weapon that can actually do anything about what he intends. The Inquisitor had Solas', but now it's gone and there's nothing standing in his way. Why take a couple of years to announce that he's bringing the apocalypse though? Why not bring it right then and that's it?

If the Inquisitor had continued to have the Anchor attached, it would mean that they could enter the Fade physically anytime and complicate his plans. This way, he had that covered. Otherwise, it makes no sense to leave a trail of Qunari corpses just to tell the Inquisitor to enjoy their last moments alive because everything is going to hell.

There may be would be a good little twist but it was killing them from the begging Cassandra said it too you straight way I'm guessing when the inqusitior is out solas does something to slow it down when he watches over you, cass threatens to harm him or something like that if he fails to help. I think they may have been having trouble with it but the trees made it worse I forgot about them sorry maybe they contained traces of the anchor in them. And true it would have been a little odd of solas just popped up and asked seeing as it has been two years.

He was physically taking over the eluvians, which there are many of which I'm guessing that's what he was doing in that time along with finding agents. Yes if the Inqusitor has the anchor they could have interfered with his plans but it would still have killed them also he needs it to tear the veil down he leaves a trail partly for that reason so that the inqusitor and there friends and everyone else would have some sort of peace before he drops the veil.

[Kirby5413]

There may be would be a good little twist but it was killing them from the begging Cassandra said it too you straight way I'm guessing when the inqusitior is out solas does something to slow it down when he watches over you, cass threatens to harm him or something like that if he fails to help. I think they may have been having trouble with it but the trees made it worse I forgot about them sorry maybe they contained traces of the anchor in them. And true it would have been a little odd of solas just popped up and asked seeing as it has been two years.

He was physically taking over the eluvians, which there are many of which I'm guessing that's what he was doing in that time along with finding agents. Yes if the Inqusitor has the anchor they could have interfered with his plans but it would still have killed them also he needs it to tear the veil down he leaves a trail partly for that reason so that the inqusitor and there friends and everyone else would have some sort of peace before he drops the veil.

 

This theory is most likely the case!

[Kirby5413]

I don't think you were wrong to wonder that I think solas does want to be stopped, if romanced he was going to tell you the truth but back out at the last min.
As for the anchor the inqusitior was never meant to have it no one was, the Inqusitor was just there at the wrong time. Towards the end the anchor became unstable that's why it was over charging.

I think all elves are now gonna have a target on there back more than usual I'm guessing some left just for that reasons others because they believe solas plans. I'm also guessing that the humans with elf blood will be treated as humans and there are no humans allowed in solas new world.

I thought there were multiple futures and they just experienced that one I'm probably wrong though.

 

The part about the Elf-Blooded Humans will be Solas' Achilles heal! Cause their Elven parents hopefully won't abandon them and hence another factor in his downfall. That and that the Elves at the temple of Mythal even said that the current Elves are completely separate from the Elves of the present. On top of that, I doubt that they themselves will join Solas cause they seem to have more rationality than Solas who seems to be stuck in the past and can't let go of it!

[Homeboundcrib]

The part about the Elf-Blooded Humans will be Solas' Achilles heal! Cause their Elven parents hopefully won't abandon them and hence another factor in his downfall. That and that the Elves at the temple of Mythal even said that the current Elves are completely separate from the Elves of the present. On top of that, I doubt that they themselves will join Solas cause they seem to have more rationality than Solas who seems to be stuck in the past and can't let go of it!

Yeah I don't see them really joining him either I don't think they would abandon there families and children if they have them.

[EBDerevko]

I can't go on another couple of years speculating! Ahhhhh I want to see what happens!!!

(Sorry about this!)

[GoldenGail3]

I can't go on another couple of years speculating! Ahhhhh I want to see what happens!!!
(Sorry about this!)

Well, I believe your gonna have to. Everyone else is...

[GoldenGail3]

 
Unless someone, mainly the protagonist of DA4 that we will be playing as will have enough influence to prevent such a catastrophic event that awaits the Elves and Elf-Blooded humans for that matter after Solas' defeat, then it is curtains for the Elves and only the Elf-Blooded Humans will survive, but will be the new target for discrimination and abuse in their Elven parent's place. 
 
Truth be told and sad!

You do realize that Elf Blooded Humans are.. Human? So, I dont think so. I think they'll suffer the same fate as the rest of humanity (death, etc). Even if, I don't think Elf Blooded Humans will play a part in this, they'll go suffer with the rest of humanity (being human, and all).

[Kirby5413]

Yeah I don't see them really joining him either I don't think they would abandon there families and children if they have them.

 

That we definitely can agree on!

[Kirby5413]

You do realize that Elf Blooded Humans are.. Human? So, I dont think so. I think they'll suffer the same fate as the rest of humanity (death, etc). Even if, I don't think Elf Blooded Humans will play a part in this, they'll go suffer with the rest of humanity (being human, and all).

 

But they have Elven blood in them! So if the Elves are driven to extinction per se, 20 years after the events of DA4 and after Solas's defeat by every Human nation on Thedas, the Qunari, Dwarves, etc as I said before, then everyone will soon hunt down any Human with Elven blood to cleanse the Human race with the goal in mind being that after the Elves extinction, everything Elven and anything with Elven blood coursing in them, that being Elf-Blooded Humans will have to be annihilated. 

 

This catastrophic event against that awaits all Elves and anyone with Elven blood after Solas' defeat can only be stopped by as I said before, someone with powerful enough influence to stop it, namely the protagonist of DA4 or DA5 of course.

[GoldenGail3]

But they have Elven blood in them! So if the Elves are driven to extinction per se, 20 years after the events of DA4 and after Solas's defeat by every Human nation on Thedas, the Qunari, Dwarves, etc as I said before, then everyone will soon hunt down any Human with Elven blood to cleanse the Human race with the goal in mind being that after the Elves extinction, everything Elven and anything with Elven blood coursing in them, that being Elf-Blooded Humans will have to be annihilated. 
 
This catastrophic event against that awaits all Elves and anyone with Elven blood after Solas' defeat can only be stopped by as I said before, someone with powerful enough influence to stop it, namely the protagonist of DA4 or DA5 of course.

No... Nothing will happen to them. Go look on wiki.

[Kirby5413]

No... Nothing will happen to them. Go look on wiki.

 

I have looked on the Wiki many many times. Ever since DA:O was released I have gone onto the Wiki. Believe me, I know what I am talking about! There is a chance that we will see Humans being rounded up to check if they are Elf-Blooded or not and the ones who are living with their Elven parents will have worse. 

 

We might be seeing a Holocaust against the Elves and anyone who is Elven blooded. Unless the protagonist of DA4 and/or DA5 stops it.

[GoldenGail3]

I have looked on the Wiki many many times. Ever since DA:O was released I have gone onto the Wiki. Believe me, I know what I am talking about! There is a chance that we will see Humans being rounded up to check if they are Elf-Blooded or not and the ones who are living with their Elven parents will have worse. 

 

We might be seeing a Holocaust against the Elves and anyone who is Elven blooded. Unless the protagonist of DA4 and/or DA5 stops it.

I seriously doubt that, your suggesting that they'll get every human alive to study them for elven blood? The chances are slim to none. 

 

 

"Elf-blooded, also known pejoratively as "half-elves" and "half-blood", are those sired by a human and elven parent. The elf-blooded appear physically human and are in fact considered purely human. Indeed, the concept of being elf-blooded is a purely legal distinction, rather than a genetic one."

 

So why should they care enough to do that? They'd be ignored by the ancient elves simply because their human, they don't care about elf blooded humans, they've got no elfy traits on them.