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[dragonflight288]

Well, whenever you want to recreate a fantasy of your past, you're already got a serious issue with the founding of your country. Case in point, the elves had no idea that their previous empire was predicated on reality being totally and fundamentally different from the present one. So there is that part to it. There's also the part where they assumed their past was a racially pure utopia, which itself may have been false (i.e., for all they knew, their old elven empire was a cosmopolitan alliance of many peoples). 

 

But beyond that, the modern Chantry didn't quite exist in the form that it did when the Dales were first established, no? Drakon came later. There was a window to build a very different type of country. 

 

The Chantry didn't exist before Drakon. Before him were several Andrastian cults that were either absorbed or wiped out as he spread the Chantry AND the Empire of Orlais. 

[The Baconer]

The Chantry didn't exist before Drakon. Before him were several Andrastian cults that were either absorbed or wiped out as he spread the Chantry AND the Empire of Orlais. 

 

It did in Tevinter. 

[dragonflight288]

It did in Tevinter. 

 

True, but was it the same Chantry as it exists in Tevinter or did they simply revere the Maker and Andraste as an Andrastian Cult?

 

They only elected a Black Divine in opposition to the South's White Divine because of the schism of "magic is meant to serve man" line. 

 

Hesserion converted to worshiping the Maker when he took pity on Andraste and killed her as she burned, but that does not really mean he started the Chantry as we understand it. 

[The Baconer]

True, but was it the same Chantry as it exists in Tevinter or did they simply revere the Maker and Andraste as an Andrastian Cult?

 

They only elected a Black Divine in opposition to the South's White Divine because of the schism of "magic is meant to serve man" line. 

 

Hesserion converted to worshiping the Maker when he took pity on Andraste and killed her as she burned, but that does not really mean he started the Chantry as we understand it. 

 

Worship of Andraste and the Maker was established as the state religion, and the Archon acted simultaneously as the ruler of the Imperium and the head of the church. The Archon's role in the religion was reduced in order to appease the Southern Chantry, and was later passed on to their own Divine when relations broke down. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It wasn't called the Chantry back then, so far as I know. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

It wasn't called the Chantry back then, so far as I know. 

It wasn't. And the Tevinter faith did eventually conform to the Chantry doctrine, which they then at a later date schismed from.

[Ashagar]

It wasn't. And the Tevinter faith did eventually conform to the Chantry doctrine, which they then at a later date schismed from.

 

Only to a point, they continued to have male priests who could marry instead of chaste female priests, they continued to believed that Andraste was the Maker's Prophet not his Bride and they had a different view on how magic should serve man than the south along with some other more minor points all of which which served  as tension between the chantry in Orlais and the Chantry in Tevinter along before Tevinter broke again by electing a black divine.

[The Baconer]

It wasn't called the Chantry back then, so far as I know. 

 

No, but they followed the Chant of Light, as whatever they called it at the time, as the first "exalted state" some 100 years before the founding of the Southern Chantry. 

[Cyrus Amell]

In Trespasser, we were able to use the Eluvians to come across what appeared to be a hidden valley where centuries ago Solas hid and then rallied an army of slaves. Wouldn't this place be a perfect staging point for a new elven nation? Wouldn't the Eluvians be the key to sorting out a lot of the problems facing the dalish and the other elves? 

 

Theological debates are all well and good, but speaking on a purely practical level I would have to say that if the dalish were waiting for a moment to re-establish an elven kingdom then now would be a very, very good time. Especially if Solas is going to do something that makes many humans on Thedas turn on the elves...

[Andreas Amell]

First order of business:

 

Dalish must **** themselves. 

 

I got sick of their guilt-tripping me back in Origins. There I am, a mage who's lived his life in a tower, looking for help against the Blight. But what do they do as I wait? They lay all this blame on me while I'm the one who has to fix their problems! 

 

Mercy, these Dalish are such needy people. If they can't cope with the truth it only proves one thing:

 

Born of slaves, always a slave! 

[Vit246]

First order of business:

 

Dalish must **** themselves. 

 

I got sick of their guilt-tripping me back in Origins. There I am, a mage who's lived his life in a tower, looking for help against the Blight. But what do they do as I wait? They lay all this blame on me while I'm the one who has to fix their problems! 

 

Mercy, these Dalish are such needy people. If they can't cope with the truth it only proves one thing:

 

Born of slaves, always a slave! 

 

You're not making much coherent sense.

[Andreas Amell]

You're not making much coherent sense.

In Trespasser Sera said "The Dalish are going to **** themselves" after learning the truth of slavery among the Ancient elves. I agree with that. If the Dalish can't cope with it, refusing to acknowledge what the Vallaslin were for, then they're still enslaved. 

[In Exile]

The Chantry didn't exist before Drakon. Before him were several Andrastian cults that were either absorbed or wiped out as he spread the Chantry AND the Empire of Orlais.

Right. So there was a window to build a very different and cosmopolitan alliance long before Drakon or the Chantry existed.

[TK514]

I figured the Dalish should have always been about change and adaptation to the modern world.  You can honor your past without be a slave to it.