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[AresKeith]

Oh really? Tell me how the ogb

 

Well Solas now has that power...

 

 letting the architect live

 

We don't know yet

 

 letting Varric keep the red lyrium shard backfired?

 

Because OP Sandal turned it into a rune

[JD Buzz]

I respect Vivienne for being a strong, independent woman and getting what she wants. But I find it amusing when she acts like a mom towards Iron Bull and bares her fangs against Mr. Unwashed Apostate Hobo, Solas.

[sandalisthemaker]

Oh really? Tell me how the ogb, letting the architect live, or letting Varric keep the red lyrium shard backfired?

 

OGB:   If Solas has its power now..... well we all know that Solas plans on destroying the world

 

Architect:  We don't know since it wasn't explored further.

 

Varric's shard:  Varric's plot armor is impenetrable. The writers wouldn't allow him to lose his mind and start killing. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I respect Vivienne for a strong, independent woman and getting what she wants. But I find it amusing when she acts like a mom towards Iron Bull and bares her fangs against Mr. Unwashed Apostate Hobo, Solas.

 

She has different sides to her.

 

She's great. 

[The Baconer]

What is kiddy-league vs the World Series?

 

Like a local sports team for youth vs. national championship level.

 

 

Orlais have the most powerful army,might not be as flashy but its well more powerful than Tevinter. ButI really wish to see Nevarra and its biggest city (Nevarra city, Hunter Fell and the biggest city of Thedas Cumberland).

 

It hasn't been well-more powerful for a long time, if it ever was.

[JD Buzz]

She has different sides to her.

 

She's great. 

 

Agreed. 

[Boost32]

Like a local sports team for youth vs. national championship level.

 

 

 

It hasn't been well-more powerful for a long time, if it ever was.

Orlais is the strongest nation in Thedas, Tevinter is competing for the second spot with Nevarra, the former being the dacadent but still powerful nation and the latter being the rising star that can take territory from Orlais.

[The Baconer]

Orlais is the strongest nation in Thedas, Tevinter is competing for the second spot with Nevarra, the former being the dacadent but still powerful nation and the latter being the rising star that can take territory from Orlais.

 

Orlais has already hit its backslide, just like Tevinter. They didn't peak as high, but they lost their conquered territories just the same.

 

Their current track record is winning a war against Irrelevantopolis, losing a conflict with Nevarra, and then being pushed back out of Irrelevantopolis. Any claim of strongest military at the moment is based off of... pretty much nothing in the contemporary.

[MisterJB]

 

Nevarra sounds like the place to visit. There is this tidbit in TWOT2 where cultural customs are described which included powerful families paying troupes to reenact important feats of their ancestors in the streets which are entirely illuminated by thousands of candles, dances centered around slaying dragons with the man wearing armor and the woman red, people playing in the frozen lakes, etc.

 

That is where I wanted to go, not Tevinter

[Iakus]

Vivienne's a professional liar and manipulator. I'm not entirely sure when I'm supposed to trust her, if ever.

Kinda like Leliana, then?

 

Or Varric?

 

or Iron Bull?

 

or Solas?

 

[Iakus]

I respect Vivienne for being a strong, independent woman and getting what she wants. But I find it amusing when she acts like a mom towards Iron Bull and bares her fangs against Mr. Unwashed Apostate Hobo, Solas.

ACtually, that kinda shows how sharp her instincts are 

[Boost32]

Orlais has already hit its backslide, just like Tevinter. They didn't peak as high, but they lost their conquered territories just the same.

 

Their current track record is winning a war against Irrelevantopolis, losing a conflict with Nevarra, and then being pushed back out of Irrelevantopolis. Any claim of strongest military at the moment is based off of... pretty much nothing in the contemporary.

You forgot Gaspard kicking Nevarran's asses from one city in Ghislain without losing a single man.

[Boost32]

Kinda like Leliana, then?

 

Or Varric?

 

or Iron Bull?

 

or Solas?

 

Leliana is pro-mage and can be in a lesbian relationship with the Wardem, so ofc Xil will not say the same  thing of her.

[Iakus]

Tevinter is the first state to take on Andrastianism as its official religion. It remains the less-worse version of the Chantry today.

 

Especially ironic given Archon Hessarian himself created a sort of proto-Circle system over a hundred years before the Nevarran Accords

[sandalisthemaker]

ACtually, that kinda shows how sharp her instincts are 

 

As sharp as her glass-cutting cheekbones. 

[Nefla]

Vivienne has been my hero from day one

[Xilizhra]

Kinda like Leliana, then?

 

Or Varric?

 

or Iron Bull?

 

or Solas?

 

None of those are players of the Orlesian Game except for Leliana, who came to dislike it. Vivienne revels in it.

[The Baconer]

You forgot Gaspard kicking Nevarran's asses from one city in Ghislain without losing a single man.

 

They did incur losses on that campaign, but when the Nevarran's prepared for a final siege of the city, Gaspard challenged the opposing commander to a duel and won.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

"Hindsight?" That's what I thought. Vivienne has been fab and flawless since I first heard about her. I adore her

[Boost32]

They did incur losses on that campaign, but when the Nevarran's prepared for a final siege of the city, Gaspard challenged the opposing commander to a duel and won.

Oh right, Gaspard had minimal losses. But it was Gaspard who sieged the city.

[The Baconer]

Oh right, Gaspard had minimal losses. But it was Gaspard who sieged the city.

 

Gaspard forced them out of the Fields of Ghislain. There wasn't a siege because Gaspard avoided that by challenging the Nevarran commander to the duel.

 

Gaspard chose to take this route due to the limitations imposed on him by Celene: if he were to lose more than 1,000 soldiers she would order a retreat and let Nevarra keep its winnings, in order to avoid an actual war that neither country wanted to commit to.

[Jaison1986]

Yeah, I am actually referring about the two thousand years of competition between normal people and mages, reflected in Tevinter, qunari, Circle, Rivain, Abominations, Inquisition, Corypheus, Meredith, Evanuris, etc, etc and more etc all of which point that the existence of a group of people with the ability to kill others with their minds fundamentally alters interaction on a personal, political, economical, religious and many more levels.

Basically, I do not believe that a College will now lead to peace and harmony.

 

 

 

Systems are judged for how they react to crysis not for how they operate when everything is at their best. 

What you are basically saying is "The mages might police themselves but only if they don't have good reasons not to"

That means they can't police themselves.

 

 

 

Something tells me people are beaten or raped outside of Circles by people who are not Templars. Except they can also starve, freeze, sicken, be exploited, killed by bandits,Darkspawn, etc.

Unlike mages.

 

 

 

 

Except you reason with them in Inquisition.

And hey, the mages defied the Divine too.

 

 

 

Except the argument was that you couldn't claim that "mundanes were left alone" because we were never told. I never claimed they weren't left alone.

Thus I won.

 

 

 

 

I can't believe I actually have to say it outloud but you do not get to decide what is best for the world.

I myself would have no interest whatsoever in your notion of "freedom". One reason would be while mages might be free to, normal people wouldn't be free from.

 

Such as, free from being burned alive whenever a mage has a fit.

 

 

The Black Death happened a thousand years ago. Not sure why we shouldn't just move on and release plagues on our cities.

 

Of course you don't believe. You don't want to. Mage utopia could come about and you wouldn't accept. The world needs to be shaped just the right way you want to. 

 

No, I'm saying the mages never got an fair chance to prove themselves. If you think crisis is the only way for a group to show their capability, maybe you should move to Orzammar. No shortage of crisis.

 

Really now? For the civilian equivalent of templars would be city guards stationed inside people's homes all the time. And for any slight mistake, they get you. Lovely thought.

 

Of course, you only get to reason with them because they are at their lowest, try reasoning with an templar when they are their full power.

 

You win nothing unless I'm proven wrong, wich so far, I wasn't.

 

And the Chantry does? What an gigant double standard. And why other people wouldn't be free? I would put the interests of the mundanes in consideration as much as the mages. Unlike you, I try to care about both sides. It wouldn't perfect, or even ideal, but my vision is still better then yours. Superstitious people don't have a place amongst leaders.

 

oh yes, because mages will start enslaving the moment they are set a little loose. I didn't know that was part of their default programming.

[Boost32]

Gaspard forced them out of the Fields of Ghislain. There wasn't a siege because Gaspard avoided that by challenging the Nevarran commander to the duel.
 
Gaspard chose to take this route due to the limitations imposed on him by Celene: if he were to lose more than 1,000 soldiers she would order a retreat and let Nevarra keep its winnings, in order to avoid an actual war that neither country wanted to commit to.

The guys is badass.

[DuskWanderer]

I don't like Vivienne. I don't fear Vivienne. But I respect her. Perhaps that's all it needs to be. 

[Shienis]

Sunshine Divine Leliana gave mages total freedom to do whatever they want.

But then, those freed mages realised that total freedom is not exactly what they wanted, so they formed a Circle-like institution. (of course they can't call it "Circle", but it's the same thing)

Vivienne is a mage. That means she has the same total freedom as every other mage, right?

She finds herself disagreeing with the way the new institution is led, and apparently she's not the only one. (unfortunately no one says why or what happened between them)

So why it's so bad, that Vivienne uses her freedom - the freedom given to her by the Divine - to create another institution, as the other mages did, and gives it a name she likes?

Or would it be right to restrict Vivenne's freedom (and those who agree with her) in the name of the One And Only College?