Since the next game is almost certainly going to be in Tevinter I think it'd be a tad unlikely our attention would be evenly split between Tevinter and the South.
Furthermore the line between "pogrom against an innocent civilian population" and "attacking the enemy elves" is going to be fairly difficult to tell the difference between.
I think it'd be quite obvious, but I don't think it's actually going to happen, for the exact reason that you said: we won't be in the south.
I think it'd be quite obvious, but I don't think it's actually going to happen, for the exact reason that you said: we won't be in the south.
It'd be harder than you think. If elven populations are uprooting and joining him they might very well have children with them.
I didn't say it was.
There probably won't be any good solutions right off the bat
Sadly that seems likely. Honestly I'm slightly skeptical that much action will take place at all. Accepting that Solas is Fen'Harel and wants to tear down the Veil will likely be a big leap for people. And Thedosians aren't exactly quick to respond to threats - even when it's as obvious as a Blight, and I doubt Solas is going to be obvious.
Sadly that seems likely. Honestly I'm slightly skeptical that much action will take place at all. Accepting that Solas is Fen'Harel and wants to tear down the Veil will likely be a big leap for people. And Thedosians aren't exactly quick to respond to threats - even when it's as obvious as a Blight, and I doubt Solas is going to be obvious.
It might not be a big leap, he's got godlike powers by this point
It'd be harder than you think. If elven populations are uprooting and joining him they might very well have children with them.
If elven populations are uprooting and joining him they either won't be found or they'll be hiding amongst servants, slaves and any positions of access. Progroms seem pointless, the threat is in your halls not amongst civilians.
If elven populations are uprooting and joining him they either won't be found or they'll be hiding amongst servants, slaves and any positions of access. Progroms seem pointless, the threat is in your halls not amongst civilians.
it can't be both?
It might not be a big leap, he's got godlike powers by this point
Yes but he's not going to start making Breaches everywhere he goes. And Orlais took long enough to respond to that - a cataclysmic, world-ending event. From what he's done in Trespasser it makes much more sense that he'll gather the materials he needs through spies and deception and then tear down the Veil, raising armies and all that claptrap seems pointless.
She's an amazingly written character and I love her from a writing perspective.
I hate her as a person, though. She is narrow minded, selfish and cruel. But she is so awesome as a character, I love listening to her extremely witty banter.
Something about Trespasser that really annoys me is how it only show what Leliana did in the last 2 years, her Divine epilogue is the only one that shows her actions (Chantry open to all races, Shartan back, Church orgy), while Cassandra and Vivienne shows nothing (hell Vivienne doesnt even have a different image if she is Divine).
The things I know about Viv as Divine:
Giselle said the first year was violent (the revolt because she was a mage and, by her original epilogue, put them down fast and with violence), she united the Chantry and showed the mages are under her control.
She says she will declare an Exalted March on Par Vollen.
She allowed a few mages of then Inquisition to form the College of Enchanter.
Cass says she is a tyrant, yet doesnt say why (might be because the way she put the revolt down).
Bioware should have showed us the action of each Divine equally, not focusing on the most popular one and shoving the College on every ending.
Does Cass say anything about hardened Leliana being a tyrant? She kills opposing clerics, after all. At least, according to the epilogue of the base game.
Mandatory celibacy usually leads to pedophilia within religious institutions.
Every human being needs intimacy and sex. Whenever denied this, they develop sexual subversions. Teenagers become priests' wives, nuns become eah other's husbands and wives.
To quote Cassandra: bullshit. I assume the Catholic church is the example in the first sentence (cus it usually is). I don't think the one half of one percent of priests actually found to have abused children is enough to say "celebacy usually leads to pedophilia". And there is actually just as high, or even a much higher, of a rate of pedophilic abuse among religious sects around the world that have non-celibate clergy. Not to mention some crazy "religions" actually consider it a precept to take child brides. Not trying to start an off topic argument, just... get your facts straight, please.
Nope.Does Cass say anything about hardened Leliana being a tyrant? She kills opposing clerics, after all. At least, according to the epilogue of the base game.
As superdarkone said no.Does Cass say anything about hardened Leliana being a tyrant? She kills opposing clerics, after all. At least, according to the epilogue of the base game.
Nope.
You also forget that one of her low approval divine endings has Cass use the seekers to violently crush her opposition, so she isn't opposed to violence to stop opposition.
As superdarkone said no.
She calling Vivienne a tyrant is very difficult to know why because of that and beyond Vivienne using violence to quell the revolts there is nothing else indicating why she would be a tyrant.
So, taking all that into account... I don't doubt the honesty of Cass' opinion. But her being honest doesn't make her correct. So I'm gonna respectfully disagree with her. (Please no one interpret this as dislike of Cassandra, cus she's pretty much my fave in the DA series. I just love her for her flaws/quirks, too. lol)
I don't necessarily think Viv should be Divine, personally. I think a Divine, like a Pope, should have a strong faith life. Faith should drive their agenda, not the other way around. Unfortunately for me, the only one I feel fits that qualification is Cass and I really want her to rebuild the Seekers. lol
I do find it amusing and rather gratifying that Viv would threaten to declare a March on Par Vollen on the Inquisitor's behalf, though. True friends help you bury the bodies, etc.
Nope.
You also forget that one of her low approval divine endings has Cass use the seekers to violently crush her opposition, so she isn't opposed to violence to stop opposition.
Interesting, given Princess Stabbity is clearly even more a tyrant than Vivienne on her worst day.
And the really bad indications of lyrium-ghost Princess Stabbity... 
Interesting, given Princess Stabbity is clearly even more a tyrant than Vivienne on her worst day.
And the really bad indications of lyrium-ghost Princess Stabbity...
Oh gosh, imagine Cass' face if Leliana just disappears in a puff of blue lyrium smoke one day during an audience. XD
LG!Leliana: "My work here is done~" *poofs*
Cassandra: ... 
*BSoD*
For instance, she will approve if you suggest having Templars dressed as common soldiers watch mages in secret.
I'm always divided on this issue with her. Like, I recognize the usefulness of Templars abilities to counter Magic and Demons, but I feel there's too much bad blood between the Templar Order and, in my case, the allied Free Mages that it's going to cause trouble if I start training my own Templars, or worse if I'm doing it in secret. It'd be different if I could say something like "train them with the Mages and encourage cooperation" or something, but she says she would bring it to Cullena and he favors the idea of mixed Templar, Mage military service to decrease wariness between both sides.
I'm always divided on this issue with her. Like, I recognize the usefulness of Templars abilities to counter Magic and Demons, but I feel there's too much bad blood between the Templar Order and, in my case, the allied Free Mages that it's going to cause trouble if I start training my own Templars, or worse if I'm doing it in secret. It'd be different if I could say something like "train them with the Mages and encourage cooperation" or something, but she says she would bring it to Cullena and he favors the idea of mixed Templar Mage service to decrease wariness between both sides.
Yeah, I just go with upfront templar presence for that reason. Undercover templars is a disaster waiting to happen. Cus you know they'll get noticed eventually. And then you'd either have to divulge their true nature to pissed off mages, or continue to hide it and be seen as refusing to punish apparent stalkers by said mages. And likely a mage will protect themselves from the perceived threat eventually and then the undercover guy/gal will use templar powers to defend themselves and THEN stuff will really hit the fan...
Recipe for disaster. Much better to just be upfront about it.
She not being faithful as Cass is a plus to me. I don't care about the spiritual side of the Chantry, the only thing I want from them is to watch the mages.I don't necessarily think Viv should be Divine, personally. I think a Divine, like a Pope, should have a strong faith life. Faith should drive their agenda, not the other way around. Unfortunately for me, the only one I feel fits that qualification is Cass and I really want her to rebuild the Seekers. lol
I do find it amusing and rather gratifying that Viv would threaten to declare a March on Par Vollen on the Inquisitor's behalf, though. True friends help you bury the bodies, etc.
She not being faithful as Cass is a plus to me. I don't care about the spiritual side of the Chantry, the only thing I want from them is to watch the mages.
Its another plus to me. The Qunari threat need to be neutralized fast, before it can reach others nations beyond Tevinter.
Its not bad, I just don't care about it. I only want the Chantry to be a "neutral" third party who will watch the mages without involving them in any kind of war that isn't threatening the world. While the Chantry not always do that, its the only faction in Thedas that can fullfil it.Why is a religious leader being religious a bad thing? Hasn't history shown giving political power to religious leaders is a bad thing?
:re Plainsclothes templars
You know...I don't actually have a problem with this (and it's another example of the game trying to imply the pro-templar viewpoint is wrong). There's NOTHING that says a mage has to wear robes or carry a staff so why do templars have to announce thmselves.
Another issue I have and mentioned before is that I see no logical reason in a world with the College that the secular nations would NOT try to create their own templars ESPECIALLY in the post-Trespasser era where 2 Divines don't have templars. I honestly can't see Aveline for example NOT wanting to have some of her guards have templar training due to the simple fact that the local lord no longer can run to the local circle in cases where the criminal is a mage.
Which two? IIRC only Leliana doesn't have templars.:re Plainsclothes templars
You know...I don't actually have a problem with this (and it's another example of the game trying to imply the pro-templar viewpoint is wrong). There's NOTHING that says a mage has to wear robes or carry a staff so why do templars have to announce thmselves.
Another issue I have and mentioned before is that I see no logical reason in a world with the College that the secular nations would NOT try to create their own templars ESPECIALLY in the post-Trespasser era where 2 Divines don't have templars. I honestly can't see Aveline for example NOT wanting to have some of her guards have templar training due to the simple fact that the local lord no longer can run to the local circle in cases where the criminal is a mage.
:re Plainsclothes templars
You know...I don't actually have a problem with this (and it's another example of the game trying to imply the pro-templar viewpoint is wrong). There's NOTHING that says a mage has to wear robes or carry a staff so why do templars have to announce thmselves.
That depends on how you feel about secret police.
Another issue I have and mentioned before is that I see no logical reason in a world with the College that the secular nations would NOT try to create their own templars ESPECIALLY in the post-Trespasser era where 2 Divines don't have templars. I honestly can't see Aveline for example NOT wanting to have some of her guards have templar training due to the simple fact that the local lord no longer can run to the local circle in cases where the criminal is a mage.
Fun times ahead for Orzammar, perhaps? Depending on whom their new contract is to; of course, if it's to the Chantry still, then the Chantry could just parcel out lyrium as it pleases, which would actually be a very canny move to centralize its authority with the College in effect.
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