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[Xilizhra]

Oh, and I"M NOT TOUCHING THE REST OF WHAT YOU SAID WITH A 5000000 FOOT POLE.

 

NOPE.

Not a fan of Django Unchained, I take it?

[sandalisthemaker]

Not a fan of Django Unchained, I take it?

 

Oh. A movie reference. 

 

I haven't seen it. 

[Evelynne]

I don't have a strong opinion on Vivienne. I like that she's guarded and knowledgable, has confidence -- but on the other hand she's excessive, controlling, written out of a box via ham-fisted 'You don't know enough my dear' which is personally the most damaging insult to me because it discounts a character's background. She has a superiority complex that makes me feel uncomfortable, and her backstory speaks more to her character than her actual writing.  She's in a weird place, she doesn't have a personality I enjoy but I love her design and her intellect -- just needs, a severe dose of humility if you ask me.

 

I also don't understand her position on the Mage Templar War (or at least, I don't want to see eye to eye with her because she takes an extremely arrogant stance on it). Simply because she's excelled in the Circle at Montsemard, doesn't make it a viable structure for Magi, hell, she never once makes mention of Kirkwall -- which makes me feel she simply doesn't know what happened or how mages were treated.

 

It smacks of Uncle Tom's Cabin (not a concept I am applying to her Rivainian origin mind you) in that she loses her purpose when she has no one oversee -- which devalues her. She pushes for the previous Status Quo because it elevates her and her alone -- which is rather despicable.  However, I'm painfully aware why she has that point of view, and its entirely from her Orlaisian upbringing and life. If she loses her position as Enchantress of the Empress' Court (Which she already did to Morrigan so I don't know why she's maintaining the viewpoint (Also don't know why she's not SUPER SALTY to Morrigan over it)) she loses what political standing she has. But this is a philosophical difference which I don't consider because its such a small part of the character.

 

Overall, the Scales are even for me. She's not likeable to me, but I can respect why she is the way she is. I'd like her more if she'd ever take off the mask she's -always- wearing.

 

 

 

But that's unimportant, Isabela is still my favorite character in the entire game series, and I'm saddened that she didn't make an appearance in Inquisition. 

[Xilizhra]

Oh. A movie reference. 

 

I haven't seen it. 

Well, it's inspired by a character from said movie, but the statement itself can stand on its own.

[actionhero112]

Great character.

 

Proud, confident, elegant and intelligent. Every playthrough I do with her, I find myself liking her more and more. Her dialogues tend to be hilarious as well. 

[Tielis]

I love the conversation with Varric about the new book he's writing.  He gets all worried because he's making her the villain, and she loves it and just wants to make sure he describes her clothing correctly.  

 

Honestly, I wish I could be as adept as she is at turning a bad situation into a good one.

[guntar74]

Man I would have loved to get banter between vivi and anders....

I like vivi. Don't agree with every view she has, but my pro order inq always gives her divine and ends up as her honorguard. I like that it gives the mages both the circles and college with what sounds like the least conflict, while also still giving my reformed templars work.

[MyKingdomCold]

eh, she's okay.  I do wish there were an dialogue option to ask her if she slept her way into her position as court enchanter though.  I also think her use of "my dear" is condescending

[The Hierophant]

Xil please.

 

Viv being an ambitious power mongering black woman with a superiority complex, hailing from a minority group who's quarantined due in part to their ability to alter reality with their minds doesn't mean she has the house slave mentality (Stockholm Syndrome). You're trying too hard with the house slave bed wench bs.

 

She stated that her main gripe with the rebellion was it's timing due in part to the renewed anti mage sentiment that Anders had created with his bombing. Unlike Vivienne, a house slave wouldn't even think to acquire a seat power above their masters that's the Thedosian equivalent of the papacy, and just be content with the fine scraps they're given. It was her underlying motivation for joining the Inquistion. Plus as far as i remember she wasn't spreading her legs for the Temps in exchange for a well furnished log cabin with a fireplace, and roast duck.

[sniper_arrow]

One of my favorite characters. 

 

However, I felt that she was wasted on the WEWH quest, even she is in your party. She would've introduced you to the Council of Heralds or Celene in person or even walk the talk with you on Orlesian politics.

[sniper_arrow]

Xil please.

 

Viv being an ambitious power mongering black woman with a superiority complex, hailing from a minority group who's quarantined due in part to their ability to alter reality with their minds doesn't mean she has the house slave mentality (Stockholm Syndrome). You're trying too hard with the house slave bed wench bs.

 

She stated that her main gripe with the rebellion was it's timing due in part to the renewed anti mage sentiment that Anders had created with his bombing. Unlike Vivienne, a house slave wouldn't even think to acquire a seat power above their masters that's the Thedosian equivalent of the papacy, and just be content with the fine scraps they're given. It was her underlying motivation for joining the Inquistion. Plus as far as i remember she wasn't spreading her legs for the Temps in exchange for a well furnished log cabin with a fireplace, and roast duck.

 

Based on her previous posts, I take it Xil doesn't like anyone who sides with the Circle or doesn't support mage freedom.

[Boost32]

Based on her previous posts, I take it Xil doesn't like anyone who sides with the Circle or doesn't support mage freedom.

I remember she saying Bethany deserved to die because she liked the Circle at first.

[Xilizhra]

Xil please.

 

Viv being an ambitious power mongering black woman with a superiority complex, hailing from a minority group who's quarantined due in part to their ability to alter reality with their minds doesn't mean she has the house slave mentality (Stockholm Syndrome). You're trying too hard with the house slave bed wench bs.

 

She stated that her main gripe with the rebellion was it's timing due in part to the renewed anti mage sentiment that Anders had created with his bombing. Unlike Vivienne, a house slave wouldn't even think to acquire a seat power above their masters that's the Thedosian equivalent of the papacy, and just be content with the fine scraps they're given. It was her underlying motivation for joining the Inquistion. Plus as far as i remember she wasn't spreading her legs for the Temps in exchange for a well furnished log cabin with a fireplace, and roast duck.

Actually, you're right. I've been considering the wrong angle. It's more an obsession with power and control in general, and an underlying fear of irrelevance; anyone who can achieve her mastery of magic and her strength of will without her strictures is a threat to her position, hence her animosity towards Solas and hatred of Morrigan.

 

 

I remember she saying Bethany deserved to die because she liked the Circle at first.

No you don't. Citation needed.

[KaiserShep]

I remember she saying Bethany deserved to die because she liked the Circle at first.

 

Anyone who wishes death on Bethany is not to be trusted.

[Xilizhra]

Anyone who wishes death on Bethany is not to be trusted.

Well, I'm reasonably sure that I didn't, so no worries.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm sure everyone is convenient ignoring Cassandra calling divine Vivienne a tyrant who abuses the chant for her own benefit.

[BSpud]

Whenever I'm reminded in the game that she exists, I end up feeling bad for her. So irrelevant, so friendless. 

[KaiserShep]

I think Vivienne's an interesting character, but I can never really find the motivation to take her on most quests. I think for the most part, she lacks a personality I consider to be fun to have tag along. She sort of shares the same problem I have with Blackwall, so both of these characters tend to stay at Skyhold, though no one gets benched quite as hard as Cole, who is pretty much dedicated to helping people from the rafters of the Herald's Rest. 

 

But I'm never quite certain how to feel about Vivienne. At times I just think "F*** that uppity sorceress", but then she might say something I really approve of. But there's this unlikeable air about her that I can never really get past. That, and I can't help but feel like my character must be urged to automatically show her great respect. Screw that noise. I respect none but the dragons, and I kill those things. 

[ModernAcademic]

I may be terribly wrong in this, but in truth, what really bothers most people about Vivienne is that it's inevitable that she sounds like she's one of our parents.

 

A woman confined to rules and obligations, too worried with proceedings and keeping up appearances, condescending and prejudiced toward social misfits, unwilling to trust people with their freedom, someone who never tried breaking the rules for fun, inflexible and paranoid about control, always telling people what is better for them (according to her own strict philosophy).

 

Considering games are for fun and exploration of endless possibilities, Vivienne does seem out of place. Despite all this, she's a special character, full of merit.

[Livi14]

I knew I wouldn't like her when she was first introduced, but she turned out even worse than expected. She is just intolerably hypocritical. She lives in a palace, without any templar in sight - but wants to lecture everyone how great circles are, and how wanting personal liberty is wrong and stupid. I didn't agree with Wynne's views either, but at least she didn't trivialize her fellow mages' issues. She is a vile person who only craves power and cares for herself.

[Aulis Vaara]

1. This bit of dialogue between her and Cole gives a poignant insight into how she became what she is::

• Cole: Stepping into the parlor, hem of my gown snagged, no, adjust before I go in, must look perfect.
• Vivienne: My dear, your pet is speaking again. Do silence it.
• Cole: Voices inside. Marquis Alphonse.
• Cole: "I do hope Duke Bastien puts out the lights before he touches her. But then, she must disappear in the dark."

Then we learn how she got back at him:

• Cole: Gown tight between my fingers, cold all over. Unacceptable. Wheels turn, strings pull.
• Cole: He hurt you. You left a letter, let out a lie so he would do something foolish against the Inquisition. A trap.
• Vivienne: Inquisitor, as your demon lacks manners, perhaps you could get Solas to train it.

So Vivienne set up the offensive noble who appears during her recruitment. Good.

That makes her even worse. I thought petty revenge was Sera's thing, but apparently Vivienne can do it too.

[Boost32]

No you don't. Citation needed.

Oh, right. I think it was more you would prefer Bethany dead than in the Circle, or something like that. Still you didnt like Bethany because she wasnt opposed to the Circle.

EDIT - Found it! To me its seem you want her to die because she is not a "MaH FrEEDuM!!1!" mage.

Because Bethany seems to find contentment in the Circle at the expense of the fate of her fellow mages, judging by the total lack of any indication we get that she's trying to improve it, I've come to favor just having her die in Lothering, because that way at least one sibling will be able to live a life of both satisfaction and integrity.

I'm sure everyone is convenient ignoring Cassandra calling divine Vivienne a tyrant who abuses the chant for her own benefit.

Please, show us the part where she say it.

[Scuttlebutt101]

Cassandra definitely calls her a tyrant in Trespasser, but she doesn't explain why and nothing in the game supports her claim. I'm surprised that Cass says that about Vivienne, but is apparently totes okay with divine Leliana.

[Fredward]

I've always dug her, she makes no apology for who she is. She's confident, she has ideals but savvy enough to merge personal advancement with it, yah know not one of those people who pretend (or strive to be) ALL about the ideals, that personal advancement is just a nice incidental or irrelevant to their shining beneficence. It helps that she also has these glimmers of 'real person' beneath all that Madame De Fer, her approval for saving everyone at Haven, 'Thom Rainier's' execution, her anger when you find Butcher etc. Bastien, naturally.

 

Srs props for Indira Varma too because a lot of the nuance with Vivienne is thanks to her delivery.

[YourFunnyUncle]

And the view she only cares about herself is just plain wrong. Yes she's selfish, but she's also one of the only two companions who approves if you save everyone at Haven.

She specifically tells you not to save everyone but then approves if you do. This doesn't speak to me of her empathy but her political savvy. After it's done, she knows it's great PR to say that the Inquisitor cares enough for their people to save them all...

Edit : I should say that I think she's a great character. She's intelligent and insightful and with a biting wit, but I don't find that I can trust even her more seemingly empathetic moments not to be stage managed. If she perceives your goals to align with hers she gets more pleasant, but I've seen nothing to convince me that she truly cares about anyone other than herself.