And we can also point out that the Breach supposedly weakens the demons that come from it.
Still a tutorial boss fight. About the only way it could get weaker is if it were the first tutorial fight in the game.
Is it that much worse than fighting a pride abomination as the first non-prologue story boss in DAO? You didn't even have backup beyond your own party there.
Is it that much worse than fighting a pride abomination as the first non-prologue story boss in DAO? You didn't even have backup beyond your own party there.
First non-prologue boss?
You mean an Ogre at the Tower of Ishal?
First non-prologue boss?
You mean an Ogre at the Tower of Ishal?
I always thought of Ostagar as part of the prologue, since you're still using temporary party members. I was talking about Uldred.
I always thought of Ostagar as part of the prologue, since you're still using temporary party members. I was talking about Uldred.
Well Uldred isn't necessarily the first boss you fight after Ostagar, and if we are going to compare the games, the Ogre in the Tower of Ishal has about the same place and function in the game as the Pride Demon in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Both are the end of the 'prologue'.
That said the Ogre fight while hard was greatly superior. The Ogre is essentially a big bag of hit points that can hit very hard (and can grab to deadly effect). OTOH, unless you somehow knew you had to kill the shades as they spawned, you'd lose the fight with the Pride Demon every time since until the shades are killed the Pride Demon is invulnerable....and the game does NOT tell you this. I lost the game three times in a row when I first started playing until I figured this out (I figured I could take out the hard target first which you CAN do in the main game).
Yeah, not to be hipster or anything, but I always knew Vivienne was awesome. I noticed the sharp wit and self-sufficiency she possessed during her introduction. And I got her banter with Sera very quickly (quickly, in comparison to how often the banter usually comes up... damn bug) in my first game - a more eloquent, more self-assured version of previous companions (maybe not more so than Morrigan, but Alistair, Leliana, Anders, Isabela, etc.) others who get along poorly with other companions.
I love Vivienne's character, I think she is funny as. Really well voiced too.
Alsooooooo really pretty xD
Serious question.
In Dragon age, has there ever been a mob that lives up to its billing? The only time I thought a demon was actually "dangerous" was the demon you got the keening blade from in Origins.
THAT was a tough fight....
Mass Effect, due to how the combat system works, seems more able to keep them in line. Endgame krogans in ME1 on insanity are just as bad as the lore makes them out to be for example...
Serious question.
In Dragon age, has there ever been a mob that lives up to its billing? The only time I thought a demon was actually "dangerous" was the demon you got the keening blade from in Origins.
THAT was a tough fight....
Mass Effect, due to how the combat system works, seems more able to keep them in line. Endgame krogans in ME1 on insanity are just as bad as the lore makes them out to be for example...
Gaxkang was really tough yeah. I actually had a really annoying encounter with the Dopplegangers as well where I brought three mages and a warrior and I had forgotten to take Mana Clash. They wiped me out really fast.
Gaxkang was really tough yeah. I actually had a really annoying encounter with the Dopplegangers as well where I brought three mages and a warrior and I had forgotten to take Mana Clash. They wiped me out really fast.
I was about to ask why Gaxkang was tough, before remembering that you might not have had Mana Clash there either.
For me, one of the toughest fights was actually the one against the three drakes in the caves below the Temple of Sacred Ashes in DAO.
We're basing things off of Mana Clash???
An ability EVERYONE (including Bioware itself) said should either have not been made or significantly weakened (it was a better anti-mage weapon than the ability of templars who actually suppress the connection to magic itself).
Basing the game's difficulty of of one spell/class is not really fair. Especially DA:O which many admit was horribly unbalanced with regard to class.
(try doing a nightmare run of the Deep Roads with Morrigan, Wynne, Mage-warden and Alistair versus Wynne and 3 other non-mages)
I respect Vivienne - she beat the odds and worked her a** off to get what she wanted, she's smart and competent, not to mention politically savvy. You gotta give her that, at least. And, when she wants to, she can be the most earnest and genuinely friendly person.
But at the same time she can be a cruel, opportunistic and elitist a**hole who is all too happy to use manipulation, half-truths and outright lies to get what she wants. She's also one of the "I got mine, so **** you" people who are all too happy to kick the ladder down after they've reached the top to stay at the top. The Game taught her well.
All in all, she's a superbly written character.
Personally, she's one of those characters I love to hate, although there are also moments when I sympathise with her (her personal quest, for example). But there are just way, way too many moments when she just makes me want to punch her - like, she keeps talking about the civilians and the mundane people's right to safety against magic, but lo and behold if you raise the "people" flag the highest during CotJ... "Vivienne slightly disapproves". Why am I not surprised.
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We're basing things off of Mana Clash???
An ability EVERYONE (including Bioware itself) said should either have not been made or significantly weakened (it was a better anti-mage weapon than the ability of templars who actually suppress the connection to magic itself).
LOL, Mana Clash is so ridiculously OP. I think the first time I used it I got the Hard Hitter -troply... and I was really low-level and trying to get past the bounty hunters outside Orzammar. After that it became my standard "I Win" button against all the enemy mages.
I was about to ask why Gaxkang was tough, before remembering that you might not have had Mana Clash there either.
For me, one of the toughest fights was actually the one against the three drakes in the caves below the Temple of Sacred Ashes in DAO.
First time I didn't so I didn't actually beat Gaxkang. I auto-picked Mana Clash for all subsequent playthroughs though.
I remember the Drakes being quite tough, I died more than once in that Temple.
We're basing things off of Mana Clash???
An ability EVERYONE (including Bioware itself) said should either have not been made or significantly weakened (it was a better anti-mage weapon than the ability of templars who actually suppress the connection to magic itself).
Basing the game's difficulty of of one spell/class is not really fair. Especially DA:O which many admit was horribly unbalanced with regard to class.
(try doing a nightmare run of the Deep Roads with Morrigan, Wynne, Mage-warden and Alistair versus Wynne and 3 other non-mages)
Magic was pretty OP but I thought the gameplay was pretty loyal to the lore. I remember fighting Templars in Broken Circle and feeling pretty powerless after a couple of Holy Smites, made me understand how it felt to fight templars lorewise.
Magic was pretty OP but I thought the gameplay was pretty loyal to the lore. I remember fighting Templars in Broken Circle and feeling pretty powerless after a couple of Holy Smites, made me understand how it felt to fight templars lorewise.
When did you do Broken Circle? I always do that as my first quest, so I suspect that none of the templars had Holy Smite yet.
When did you do Broken Circle? I always do that as my first quest, so I suspect that none of the templars had Holy Smite yet.
I personally do Broken Circle after Redcliff, and a few of them have Holy Smite then. Made my mage warden weep bitter tears. And me to bash my head on the wall.
She has definitely become one of my favorite DA characters over the course of the game. Overall once it was over.
Vivienne is a very interesting DA character who as a person I find quite loathsome. She's intelligent (except in her poor efforts in making friends with the Inquisitor), has a view on mage-oppression that doesn't make her sound merely like a sheep as Wynne did, and has some amusing banter. However, Vivienne's basically evil. She's power-hungry, lies (perhaps even to herself), is manipulative, shows no interest in others' welfare unless it benefits her, and relishes in the treacherous politics of the Orlaisian "game." She's also purely practical, and when you embrace practicality too much you're no different than a tyrant.
Regarding her lying, this includes her reasons for mage oppression. I don't believe she actually cares about the common people's welfare except for how it affects her. In her case being a Circle mage has given many opportunities, nor has she had to suffer the oppression many less fortunate mages have had to endure, and perhaps she's convinced herself the Circle is justified because of her benefiting from it. She's also argued that her acquiring power might be for the good of everyone. If she truly believes this is very debatable. It's hard to say if she has a conscience and makes excuses to justify her nature, or as one of the Chantry priests suspects, just says the right words for the sake of appearances.
Lastly, she's very false. Her very first encounter was staged by manipulating the noble into antagonizing the Inquisitor so she could step in. And Vivienne believes any sentiment is a weakness. Proof of this is why she never allows herself to look insecure, which is obviously a front since everyone is insecure. It means she's hiding more, and one reason why she hates Cole so much is he can see through her facade in banter.
In conclusion, Vivienne would make a great villain but, thanks to Corypheus, happens to be on the Inquisitor's side ...mostly.
Like I said in the previous pages, I like Vivienne. But I completely understand why everyone hates her.
Hmm so I wonder what was Viv's motives when she approves of the Inquisitor saving the people in Haven...Threnn and alla dem? I just don't think she's as selfish a people say she is and while that isn't necessarily a shining example, I see a lot more humanity in her than initially perceived...even by me and she is still one of my favs.
Heros make for good press and Viv gets to be part of that good press. Of course she approves.
Hmm so I wonder what was Viv's motives when she approves of the Inquisitor saving the people in Haven...Threnn and alla dem? I just don't think she's as selfish a people say she is and while that isn't necessarily a shining example, I see a lot more humanity in her than initially perceived...even by me and she is still one of my favs.
Which is funny because she's the only companion that advocates for the Inquisitor to abandon them.
Which is funny because she's the only companion that advocates for the Inquisitor to abandon them.
Then she gives you a disapprove hit if you say that all those deaths at haven was a good thing. Either the writers had no idea where they were going with Vivienne and Haven or Vivienne is bipolar.
Then she gives you a disapprove hit if you say that all those deaths at haven was a good thing. Either the writers had no idea where they were going with Vivienne and Haven or Vivienne is bipolar.
Or Vivienne is pragmatic, but not heartless.
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