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[Treacherous J Slither]

Will we ever see it again?

It was hardly mentioned in Inquisition. None of the rebel mages used it. No one used it. It was just about nonexistent.

Will the series continue like this or will the developers eventually figure out how to properly implement it in the game?

[Jesse the dragon slayer]

I hope so I used to avoid blood mage because I thought it would effect the story but then I played a maleficar on DA2 just for kicks and nothing I got all that power at no cost (insert villainous laugh here) it was fun playing a blood mage too except for the lack luster story to do with it. But from what I've heard even the fans that avoid it want it back so they should add it into DA4

[Illegitimus]

In Tevinter?  Yes, we'll see blood magic again.  

[Treacherous J Slither]

I hope so I used to avoid blood mage because I thought it would effect the story but then I played a maleficar on DA2 just for kicks and nothing I got all that power at no cost (insert villainous laugh here) it was fun playing a blood mage too except for the lack luster story to do with it. But from what I've heard even the fans that avoid it want it back so they should add it into DA4

What kind of cost were you expecting if any?

[Jesse the dragon slayer]

What kind of cost were you expecting if any?

Negative reactions from most of the companions, random extra fights with templars, suspicion from strangers, and dialogue options pertaining to knowing blood magic

[thats1evildude]

In fact, blood magic is referenced a number of times throughout DAI.

 

-Corypheus' plan to control the Wardens hinges on their mages using a blood magic ritual to summon demons. The side effect of the ritual is that it places the mage under Corypheus' command. You see at least two Wardens sacrificed to power this ritual.

 

-The Tevinter mages used the blood of numerous slaves to create the time magic effect seen in the Still Ruins. The blood of those slaves still hangs in the air in the chamber where the spell was cast. A codex on "Responsible Blood Magic" can also be found there.

 

-Dorian's father attempted to use a blood magic ritual to change his personality so Dorian would be willing to enter an arranged marriage.

 

-The Inquisitor can ask Leliana if Morrigan is using blood magic, and can later ask Morrigan if she is a blood mage.

 

-A letter by a slave in the Fade mentions how Corypheus used blood magic, and how he was preparing an altar upon which to sacrifice slaves to enter the Fade.

 

-Notes found in the Hissing Wastes mention the Venatori using blood magic. (Keep in mind that just because they don't use blood magic offensively doesn't mean they don't use it. They had to bind those spirits into books somehow.)

 

-You can discuss with Solas his views on blood magic.

 

I hope so I used to avoid blood mage because I thought it would effect the story but then I played a maleficar on DA2 just for kicks and nothing I got all that power at no cost (insert villainous laugh here) it was fun playing a blood mage too except for the lack luster story to do with it. But from what I've heard even the fans that avoid it want it back so they should add it into DA4

 

That was part of the reason the specialization was cut. People kept complaining that they were allowed to use the specialization with no repurcussions.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Negative reactions from most of the companions, random extra fights with templars, suspicion from strangers, and dialogue options pertaining to knowing blood magic

Seems reasonable. Also doesn't seem very difficult for BioWare to implement.

I suspect that there's another reason for its exclusion...

[Treacherous J Slither]

@evil:

Thanks for the info. That's more blood magic than I thought there was. I haven't seen any myself yet. Just got to Skyhold.

So summoning demons requires sacrifices now? That can't be. I've fought mages in the game that summoned demons and they seemed to do it rather easily.

Also, how would doing such a thing put a Warden under Corys control exactly? Was that explained?

[Treacherous J Slither]

@Evil:

Also, the argument that blood magic was nixed due to there being no repercussions in DA2 doesn't hold up with me because i think the problem was being a mage period.

The Templars should have come for him after he put those deserters down in the beginning of the game. Nobody noticed he was a mage at all. Being a blood mage was irrelevant.

[thats1evildude]

While people complained about an apostate living openly, they were particularly vehement about being allowed to practice blood magic.

I was here. I saw the threads. Here, take a look:

http://forum.bioware...es-no-one-care/

[thats1evildude]

And to be fair, they had a point. The templars might tolerate the existence of an apostate if the right bribes are paid and/or that apostate is seen as useful.

But a blood mage is never tolerated, except by the most corrupt templar. Even in Tevinter, there is a strict prohibition on using blood magic to control the minds of others. Mages still do it, but not openly.

[Jesse the dragon slayer]

That was part of the reason the specialization was cut. People kept complaining that they were allowed to use the specialization with no repurcussions.

They did work to fix that mistake by adding conversations about your specializations and a war table mission it wouldn't take much more for the blood mage specialization to fit in

 

So summoning demons requires sacrifices now?

Depends on which summoning spell you know some do some don't.

[Treacherous J Slither]

And to be fair, they had a point. The templars might tolerate the existence of an apostate if the right bribes are paid and/or that apostate is seen as useful.

But a blood mage is never tolerated, except by the most corrupt templar. Even in Tevinter, there is a strict prohibition on using blood magic to control the minds of others. Mages still do it, but not openly.

I find it hard to believe that an apostate would be tolerated in Kirkwall. Maybe in some other city but not freaking Kirkwall.

Whatever.

[springacres]

I find it hard to believe that an apostate would be tolerated in Kirkwall. Maybe in some other city but not freaking Kirkwall.

Whatever.

Assuming you're talking post-DA2, I have to agree.  In DA2, mage!Hawke is tolerated because in Act 1 s/he's not important enough to notice, in Act 2 his/her family is firmly established in Hightown among the gentry, and in Act 3... not even Meredith is crazy enough to try to get the Champion into the Circle.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Assuming you're talking post-DA2, I have to agree. In DA2, mage!Hawke is tolerated because in Act 1 s/he's not important enough to notice, in Act 2 his/her family is firmly established in Hightown among the gentry, and in Act 3... not even Meredith is crazy enough to try to get the Champion into the Circle.

Act 1: You're a nobody. The Templars have their way with nobody mages on the regular. Hawke would have been picked up immediately.

Act2: You're a public figure. Meredith would make it a point to make you a Circle mage to show everyone that all mages belong under Templar supervision. No exceptions. You may be given more liberties than a commoner mage but you'd still locked up with all the rest.

Act3: The Champion of Kirkwall is an apostate that's been hiding in the city right under Meredith's nose for years? She's effectively been made a fool of and would most definitely do something about it. Probably politically assassinate you and very publicly force you into the Circle.

The only way an apostate could live free in Kirkwall is by hiding their magic. If they make a living as a mercenary then they would have to use mundane weapons and skills in combat. Magic could only be done behind closed doors. This is what should have happened with mage Hawke. It doesn't make sense any other way.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Reaver is a form of blood magic. Just like Darkspawn, Dragon and Wyvern's blood contains magical property.

[springacres]

Act 1: You're a nobody. The Templars have their way with nobody mages on the regular. Hawke would have been picked up immediately.

Act2: You're a public figure. Meredith would make it a point to make you a Circle mage to show everyone that all mages belong under Templar supervision. No exceptions. You may be given more liberties than a commoner mage but you'd still locked up with all the rest.

Act3: The Champion of Kirkwall is an apostate that's been hiding in the city right under Meredith's nose for years? She's effectively been made a fool of and would most definitely do something about it. Probably politically assassinate you and very publicly force you into the Circle.

The only way an apostate could live free in Kirkwall is by hiding their magic. If they make a living as a mercenary then they would have to use mundane weapons and skills in combat. Magic could only be done behind closed doors. This is what should have happened with mage Hawke. It doesn't make sense any other way.

All good points, but remember that Varric mentions in Act 1 that the Deep Roads expedition will make you wealthy enough that "the templars won't be able to touch you."  That may just be his exaggeration, but there might also be a grain of truth in it.  Even in Kirkwall, the Templar Order likely depends to some extent on patronage from noble houses.  Besides, locking up Hawke at that point would also involve explaining to the Viscount that they had somehow let an apostate slip under the radar for some time.  Not something I suspect Meredith would like to admit to.

 

I do agree, though, it's pretty egregious the way mage!Hawke is handled throughout DA2.  Much as I'd like to try a playthrough that included the Blood Mage spec, I doubt I ever will.  Too many plot holes and lack of blowback.  I do hope DA4 will handle it more realistically, with disgust and revulsion from people who canonically shouldn't approve of blood magic, and approving reactions from the Tevinter magocracy.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Blood magic is totally safe and jolly, no reason to fear it.

 

I hope a Tevinter mage pc won't have a problem with it.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Blood magic is totally safe and jolly, no reason to fear it.

 

I hope a Tevinter mage pc won't have a problem with it.

Look at your comment, look at your name. IT ALL MAKE SENSES!!!

[Jesse the dragon slayer]

Blood magic is totally safe and jolly, no reason to fear it.

 

I hope a Tevinter mage pc won't have a problem with it.

Just don't slit your wrists and dance naked under the moonlight out of peer pressure 

[Treacherous J Slither]

All good points, but remember that Varric mentions in Act 1 that the Deep Roads expedition will make you wealthy enough that "the templars won't be able to touch you." That may just be his exaggeration, but there might also be a grain of truth in it. Even in Kirkwall, the Templar Order likely depends to some extent on patronage from noble houses. Besides, locking up Hawke at that point would also involve explaining to the Viscount that they had somehow let an apostate slip under the radar for some time. Not something I suspect Meredith would like to admit to.

I do agree, though, it's pretty egregious the way mage!Hawke is handled throughout DA2. Much as I'd like to try a playthrough that included the Blood Mage spec, I doubt I ever will. Too many plot holes and lack of blowback. I do hope DA4 will handle it more realistically, with disgust and revulsion from people who canonically shouldn't approve of blood magic, and approving reactions from the Tevinter magocracy.

Wealthy families still send mage family members to the Circle. The Templars are an arm of the Chantry which is more powerful than any single noble family. There's no way an organization that houses and promotes people like Meredith and Sister Petrice would allow an apostate to operate freely. Especially not in a city like Kirkwall where the Templars practically run the place.

I should be writing this stuff I swear.

[Ashagar]

Mind you Meredith wasn't always off her rocker, she got her promotion by virtue of her predecessor being killed by insane Viscount. As for Pertrice, she was the sort of person who specialized in hiding what they were up to, its not like her local superiors had access to seekers were both extremely limited in number and who answer only to the divine and the High Seeker.

[thats1evildude]

What Varric means is that Hawke can earn enough wealth to pay the bribes so that the templars look the other way.

They have addictions to feed, after all.

[Crimson Vanguard]

I wish in DA2 you could have gone all out war with the Templars and kill Cullen. Ah wishful thinking.

[Ashagar]

I wanted to kill Anders by the second act and turn Marriel over to the Templars but we can't all get what we want.