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They had no choice but to set the game in another galaxy. Please accept that.


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I don't get how they have the same races in a new galaxy, confusing?

Shhhhh!!!!! They'hear yo...

 

...how can you not grasp this? You think they're just making a game set in another galaxy that happens to have humans, krogans, asari, etc? The thought of extra-galactic travel never even crossed your mind?

 

Nevermind   :mellow:


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I'm now left to wonder just what a "big deal" saving one galaxy is in ME3 if we're going to be hopping to new ones in future games.


The existence of people in one Galaxy makes the lives of people in another Galaxy unimportant?

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The existence of people in one Galaxy makes the lives of people in another Galaxy unimportant?

 

Just looking at the scale.  When you're measuring what you're saving in planets and galaxies, what is a "small scale" story anymore?


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I'm now left to wonder just what a "big deal" saving one galaxy is in ME3 if we're going to be hopping to new ones in future games.


Well, hundreds of billions of people who would have died didn't die. I figure that has to count for something.

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But there have been prequels that I really enjoy. X-Men First Class comes to mind. You could argue that the stakes in that movie weren't lowered from the original movies, but I'm of the opinion that higher stakes don't make a story better. Easier to market as a blockbuster, sure, but not necessarily better.


The new X-Men movies, beginning with First Class, retconned what came before. First Class and Days of Future Past retcon the first trilogy and the first Wolverine movie out of continuity. They can have huge stakes in those "prequels" because they don't concern themselves with continuity. If they made Mass Effect prequels that directly contradicted or outright retconned events from the trilogy to establish a new timeline they could have stakes as high as they want.

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Just looking at the scale. When you're measuring what you're saving in planets and galaxies, what is a "small scale" story anymore?


Well, when you look at it that way, it leaves a lot to be considered smaller in comparison. Saving merely one solar system is small in scale!

Going forward, trying to up the ante does seem a bit comical.

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The new X-Men movies, beginning with First Class, retconned what came before. First Class and Days of Future Past retcon the first trilogy and the first Wolverine movie out of continuity. They can have huge stakes in those "prequels" because they don't concern themselves with continuity. If they made Mass Effect prequels that directly contradicted or outright retconned events from the trilogy to establish a new timeline they could have stakes as high as they want.


But again, for me personally, higher stakes wasn't why I liked them. In fact, between the two, Days of Future Past had higher stakes, but I enjoyed First Class more. No idea which did better at the box office, but that wouldn't change my own perception.

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The new X-Men movies, beginning with First Class, retconned what came before. First Class and Days of Future Past retcon the first trilogy and the first Wolverine movie out of continuity. They can have huge stakes in those "prequels" because they don't concern themselves with continuity. If they made Mass Effect prequels that directly contradicted or outright retconned events from the trilogy to establish a new timeline they could have stakes as high as they want.

 

There were some retcons, but technically First Class is apart of the Original Timeline (and all the films that came before).  The old Xavier in Days of Future Past, referneced the film (and how Raven used to be different).  Though days of future past changed the timeline, making that film set in a new timeline.  However First Class exists in both timelines.

 

If Bioware chose to, they could create a human focused prequel (set before ME3) without making retcons, while still having strong stakes within the game.



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There were some retcons, but technically First Class is apart of the Original Timeline (and all the films that came before).  The old Xavier in Days of Future Past, referneced the film (and how Raven used to be different).  Though days of future past changed the timeline, making that film set in a new timeline.  However First Class exists in both timelines.


There are numerous things in First Class(ages of characters, lines of dialog, events) that don't line up with the first 3 X-Men movies.
 

If Bioware chose to, they could create a human focused prequel (set before ME3) without making retcons, while still having strong stakes within the game.


But again, prequels generally don't perform as well as sequels. They would be handicapping themselves for no real reason. And if the story they would tell in said prequel were to have high stakes why didn't we ever hear about it in 3 games?

But again, for me personally, higher stakes wasn't why I liked them. In fact, between the two, Days of Future Past had higher stakes, but I enjoyed First Class more. No idea which did better at the box office, but that wouldn't change my own perception.


The stakes were actually higher in the prequels, so citing those as examples really runs counter to your point.

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I'm not sure what small scale means to you, but the Batarians in BDtS got closer to wiping out millions of humans than the Collectors ever did and that was a main-series game.


And? Batman stops the joker form killing millions, but most people don't consider those stories to be huge epic scale because in that setting superman saves the planet, heck the universe maybe.
The uncharted series, tomb raider all have in perspective relatively smaller scale events, yet both are very popular.

Being a side story would inherently mean smaller scale, and vice versa. But I feel like I should point out that "not a threat as terrible as the Reapers" =/= diminished scale/grandeur. They could easily make a new trilogy set in Andromeda with a greater scale/scope without resorting to a genocidal threat.


There are a lot of inherent differences when a game is a side story, likely being smaller scale is just one of them. Not playing the character you invested your time in for example. So why those games are less popular is not known. While it could be because people like being the big damn hero saving the galaxy and not merely saving a town, it could also be a wide range of other reasons. And while yes, not as big of a threat as the reapers =/= diminished scale/grandeur I think people that are saying this are not happy with earth shaking events every time. And that is the type of scale they are referring to. If the scale/grandeur is massive but in a different way people who have issues with ME1-3 scale might have no problem with it.

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I don't get how they have the same races in a new galaxy, confusing?

 
That's actually one of the few things that has been hinted at in the survey leak:

 

Krogan colony ship has been stolen by outlaws. Track down the ship and return it to increase loyalty with Drack. Dialogue trees and end game impacted by loyalty status.

 

"Colony ship" pretty strongly hints at a galaxy hopping Ark of some sort ... as does the badge with A.R.K.C.O.N. on it (possibly some kind of convoluted acronym for Ark Contingency plan).

 

Personally, from what I've read, I'm going for some kind of Battlestar Gallactica, last hope for the Milky Way races, colony fleet type of thing - called the Ark because, screw it, we've had Space Jesus so we may as well have Space Noah ... with a sprinkling of Space Magic since the Black Ark theory won't have actually occurred to the writers.

 

Probably built and funded by some kind of inter-species secret NGO who, contrary to the Council believed Shepard's warnings, and launched at the time between ME2 and ME3.

 

Yeah, I'm expecting a lot of hand-waving by way of explanation.



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"Colony ship" pretty strongly hints at a galaxy hopping Ark of some sort ... as does the badge with A.R.K.C.O.N. on it (possibly some kind of convoluted acronym for Ark Contingency plan).

 

What good does a colony ship do the krogan if the genophage is still in play, though?



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with a sprinkling of Space Magic since the Black Ark theory won't have actually occurred to the writers.

Which would be a shame if true. 

 

What good does a colony ship do the krogan if the genophage is still in play, though?

Well, if they colonize a planet that isn't as hostile as Tuchanka, then even with the Genophage their numbers will rise, just a lot slower than before the Genophage. 



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What good does a colony ship do the krogan if the genophage is still in play, though?

 

That's one of the things I'm expecting them to liberally gloss over - though, I guess, the greatly reduced birth rate might not be a bad thing on a colony ship where resources are limited as you pootle from one galaxy to another.

 

Though, wasn't part of Mordin's work with the STG to modify the genophage because some Krogan were beginning to adapt?


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What good does a colony ship do the krogan if the genophage is still in play, though?


Why do people seem to think the Genophage is a plague? It simply reduces Krogan birthrates/fertility. The Krogan breed like Catholic roaches. If they had a sizable colony in Andromeda and weren't afflicted with the Genophage they could become a threat to a new galaxy. They're violent, dumb, long-lived and quickly become too numerous to deal with militarily.
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I know ignoring reality is sort of your thing,

Did you even read what I said? Just because Reach and ODST didn't sold as much as the trilogy doesn't mean they weren't successful, both games sold well and were well received. As long as future ME titles can generate enough sales (they don't need to be the same as trilogy sales) they can still be considered a commercial success. 

 

 

but would you at least read what I write and take a moment to comprehend it before responding?

 

I did and I pointed out that small scale stories can be just as good as large ones and how Bioware shouldn't try to top the scale set by the original trilogy.



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Did you even read what I said? Just because Reach and ODST didn't sold as much as the trilogy doesn't mean they weren't successful, both games sold well and were well received. As long as future ME titles can generate enough sales (they don't need to be the same as trilogy sales) they can still be considered a commercial success. 
 
I did and I pointed out that small scale stories can be just as good as large ones and how Bioware shouldn't try to top the scale set by the original trilogy.


The goal of a business is to make money and grow. Why should they set their sights lower? Games aren't getting cheaper to make, they're getting more expensive to make. You need to rejoin the rest of us in the real world.

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Did you even read what I said? 

Probably not.



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The goal of a business is to make money and grow. Why should they set their sights lower? Games aren't getting cheaper to make, they're getting more expensive to make. You need to rejoin the rest of us in the real world.

I never said Bioware should have lower sales (why do you keep putting words in peoples mouths?), my point is that it'd be unrealistic to expect every future ME title to sale as well as the trilogy.



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I never said Bioware should have lower sales (why do you keep putting words in peoples mouths?), my point is that it'd be unrealistic to expect every future ME title to sale as well as the trilogy.


This is what you said:
"As long as future ME titles can generate enough sales (they don't need to be the same as trilogy sales) they can still be considered a commercial success."

You said they should be fine with failing to sell as many copies as previous games in the series, which is the opposite of growth. How is it that you don't even understand what you write? 



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The new X-Men movies, beginning with First Class, retconned what came before. First Class and Days of Future Past retcon the first trilogy and the first Wolverine movie out of continuity.


I'm not sure time-travel shenanigans should count as a true retcon.

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I'm hoping the Geth make a return. Though if they do, it'll probably confirm that the game takes place after the Control or Synthesis ending. Then again, what if people had the geth destroyed instead of the quarians? But then the Geth still can't return if the Andromeda group left before those events. Because given the fear of the Geth, why would they be included in a journey to a new galaxy?



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I'm hoping the Geth make a return. Though if they do, it'll probably confirm that the game takes place after the Control or Synthesis ending. Then again, what if people had they destroyed instead of the quarians? But then the Geth still can't return if the Andromeda group left before those events. Because given the fear of the Geth, why would they be included in a journey to a new galaxy?

 

Andromeda doesn't have to take into account any RGB endings from ME 3 since all of the species that include the Geth would want to preserve themselves by escaping  pre or post Reaper  invasion. And the Geth being the Geth would in all likelihood decide long before any of the sentient races that escaping the galaxy would be the best thing to do.



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I'm not sure time-travel shenanigans should count as a true retcon.

 

The time travel was done specifically to retcon away the pre-First Class movies. First Class introduced a number of inconsistencies that screwed up the timeline so they decided to fix the problem by retconning everything and essentially starting again. The next movie, Apocalypse, will be the final step in the process of replacing the original X-Men movies. None of the original cast will be present, none of the original events will play a role, and it's meant to set up a new trilogy/franchise in the 80's with a brand new cast and continuity in a way that will set it apart from all the other super hero franchises, including the X-Men franchise as it existed.



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I'm hoping the Geth make a return. Though if they do, it'll probably confirm that the game takes place after the Control or Synthesis ending. Then again, what if people had the geth destroyed instead of the quarians? But then the Geth still can't return if the Andromeda group left before those events. Because given the fear of the Geth, why would they be included in a journey to a new galaxy?

Because they are a perfect candidate for the utilization of an intergalactic craft. Not only are they the race that knows the most about ships, but they can directly interface with it, essentially becoming one with the ship. They don't need food, water, air, gravity, pressure, or anything else that organics need, so the ship can have everything but the engines and computers on and the organics sleep in stasis pods for the long journey to Andromeda.