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[Dean_the_Young]

Sigh!  You are dramatically overestimating the salience of today's players' dissatisfaction with endings 10 years from now.  In 2025, it is far more likely that Bioware will want to hook a whole new generation of fans with adventures set in and around Earth, than it is that they'll still be afraid of some old fogy's dissatisfaction with a 13 year old game.

 

Why would a series that's never been focused in or around Earth suddenly hook a whole new generation of fans by abandoning the setting they'd developed over the previous decade to continue not focusing in, on, or particularly around Earth?

 

 

(I'm assuming this new series would be comparable to the trilogy in time/attention spent on Earth and human politics.)

 

 

Your own 16-year-old was already a committed Mass Effect fan, so he's not new money. The Mass Effect fanbase of the decade leading up to it isn't new money. And people who would have joined for another Andromedea/whatever game aren't new money.

 

Who is this substantial population of people who'd love a mass effect game if it included Earth, but refuse to buy if it doesn't?

[Il Divo]

Yeah, being honest here, if this were about Earth, Mass Effect as is would be a pretty bad series to go for. ME1 and 2 take place as far from Earth as you can get. And while ME3 might have enjoyed basing its advertising campaign around "Retake Earth", it factored into literally the first and last levels. Earth is a rarity in the context of Mass Effect.

[Mathias]

Yeah, being honest here, if this were about Earth, Mass Effect as is would be a pretty bad series to go for. ME1 and 2 take place as far from Earth as you can get. And while ME3 might have enjoyed basing its advertising campaign around "Retake Earth", it factored into literally the first and last levels. Earth is a rarity in the context of Mass Effect.

 

And ironically those are the two worst levels in the game with the absolute worst writing. Seriously, the first 20 minutes of the game is the 2nd worst part of ME3. You're just constantly bombarded by one wrong thing after the other. In order:

 

• They stripped the Trial out of the game.
• Shepard's character is now dominated by Autodialogue instead of player input.
• The neutral option in the dialogue system was removed.
• Bad exposition.
• Ashley's makeover.
• The dumbest line ever spoken by an experienced military officer: "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival." 
• Sprites and f-ed up depth perception in the level design.
• Hamfisted attempt to emotional manipulate us with a child.
• Bad voice acting for the boy, and doesn't talk like a child either.
• Anderson has to convince Shepard that they have to unite the galaxy to have a chance against the Reapers. That completely contradicts what Shepard knew and fought for when you consider Mass Effect 1 and 2. 

I knew I was in for a really rough ride after I left Earth the first time I played. The only good thing about the level was the last scene when the Normandy left Earth. Credit where credit is due, that was great. Everything else was garbage. A lot of the problems listed above exist because Bioware took priority over catering to new players instead of the old.

[Iakus]

And ironically those are the two worst levels in the game with the absolute worst writing. Seriously, the first 20 minutes of the game is the 2nd worst part of ME3. You're just constantly bombarded by one wrong thing after the other. In order:

 

• They stripped the Trial out of the game.
• Shepard's character is now dominated by Autodialogue instead of player input.
• The neutral option in the dialogue system was removed.
• Bad exposition.
• Ashley's makeover.
• The dumbest line ever spoken by an experienced military officer: "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival." 
• Sprites and f-ed up depth perception in the level design.
• Hamfisted attempt to emotional manipulate us with a child.
• Bad voice acting for the boy, and doesn't talk like a child either.
• Anderson has to convince Shepard that they have to unite the galaxy to have a chance against the Reapers. That completely contradicts what Shepard knew and fought for when you consider Mass Effect 1 and 2. 

I knew I was in for a really rough ride after I left Earth the first time I played. The only good thing about the level was the last scene when the Normandy left Earth. Credit where credit is due, that was great. Everything else was garbage. A lot of the problems listed above exist because Bioware took priority over catering to new players instead of the old.

ANd I wish I could say that any of those things were limited just to the Earth scenes...

[Killroy]

ANd I wish I could say that any of those things were limited just to the Earth scenes...

 

Whenever people say "ME3 is perfect until the last 10 minutes," or "Everything until Priority:Earth is amazing" I die a little inside. ME3 is, without a doubt, the dumbest game in the trilogy. It has a few moments that prop it up, but even those moments are vastly overrated IMO. 

[Ahglock]

Whenever people say "ME3 is perfect until the last 10 minutes," or "Everything until Priority:Earth is amazing" I die a little inside. ME3 is, without a doubt, the dumbest game in the trilogy. It has a few moments that prop it up, but even those moments are vastly overrated IMO. 

 

For me even on the gameplay side ME2 did it better.  Yes the level design on some ME3 levels was superior and I liked the weapon mod and weight system. But;

 

1.  weapon vs defense went away.  It didn't add much but it did add a small amount of tactical benefit.

2.  tech/biotic explosions.  Hey combos and synergy are great idea.  All of them being a big explosion for big damage is worse than actually having synergy. ME2s warp explosion, magnified effect to lifted targets when you throw eve with the tech field left out was far superior.

3.  Weapon stats, in game tips did not match the actual game.  This is a almost game play killer IMO.   When I'm plugging away with a gun that by all the in game tips and stats is supposed to be effective vs shields and it basically does nothing it is very frustrating.  Requiring people do research online or test it by get your character killed dozens upon dozens of times while trying to measure the stats of weapons in game is insane.

4.  one key to rule them all combined with context sensitive controls was far more frustrating than not having a combat roll

[AlanC9]

I was glad when I found out the trial was cut; what was it going to accomplish besides recapping a bunch of stuff that we already knew and the new players wouldn't have cared about?

[Mathias]

I was glad when I found out the trial was cut; what was it going to accomplish besides recapping a bunch of stuff that we already knew and the new players wouldn't have cared about?

 

How about the layout of the very first level is entirely dependent on some of your choices throughout the trilogy and how you handle yourself in the trial? If you're found guilty, you're broken out of prison by Anderson, Joker, and the VS around the same time the Reapers invade Earth. If you're found innocent, you get an intro a little more similar to how ME3 started. The point being it would add flavor and actual variety to the game. Some of the choices you've made could be used for you or against you in trial. Even the Paragon options ("He released a Rachni Queen! He's always been reckless.") Plus a trial would be a good way to provide exposition to newer players. 

 

Not to mention we destroyed an entire solar system, killing 300,000 people. I think it's safe to say a lot of us wanted to actual be there and defend ourselves, cause that's kinda a big colossal friggin deal.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Whenever people say "ME3 is perfect until the last 10 minutes," or "Everything until Priority:Earth is amazing" I die a little inside. ME3 is, without a doubt, the dumbest game in the trilogy. It has a few moments that prop it up, but even those moments are vastly overrated IMO. 

 

I'd agree that ME3 does have other flaws besides the ending - although it does have a few individual moments which rank right up there among the best in the series, with the storyline with Mordin being particularly effective. 

 

However, I'd say that the game is near-perfect WHEN COMPARED to the last 10 minutes. By comparison, even the worst of the rest of the game ends up looking good. I think every flaw in the game is forgivable, except for the total failure of the ending.

[Dean_the_Young]

How about the layout of the very first level is entirely dependent on some of your choices throughout the trilogy and how you handle yourself in the trial? If you're found guilty, you're broken out of prison by Anderson, Joker, and the VS around the same time the Reapers invade Earth. If you're found innocent, you get an intro a little more similar to how ME3 started. The point being it would add flavor and actual variety to the game. Some of the choices you've made could be used for you or against you in trial. Even the Paragon options ("He released a Rachni Queen! He's always been reckless.") Plus a trial would be a good way to provide exposition to newer players. 

 

Not to mention we destroyed an entire solar system, killing 300,000 people. I think it's safe to say a lot of us wanted to actual be there and defend ourselves, cause that's kinda a big colossal friggin deal.

 

I'd rather they have polished the ending/final mission if we're going to change missions, rather than mutually-exclusive tutorial combat. Priority: Earth could have used the resources to reflect allies and past choices a lot more than any 'trial.'

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The trial would have been very difficult to do because some players didn't play Arrival. After all it was "your Shepard," and you'd be saying "My Shepard never killed 300,000 Batarians and destroyed a solar system." So it became "The sh1t you've done," i.e. working for Cerberus. And even that didn't make sense because you did it with the Council's blessing if you saved the Council - or could have done it as a Spectre. If Anderson is Councilor in ME2 you can easily become a Spectre again regardless of the ending of ME1. So what did you do in ME2 that gets you in prison? Or relieved of duty if you were a Spectre and didn't blow up the system? Ah, you could have given the Collector Base to Cerberus, a known terrorist organization. But what if you didn't? See? There's a lot of problems with the trial.

 

Then those stupid lines in the beginning of ME3. The defense committee knew they were the reapers. They knew what they had to do. It wasn't Shepard who defeated Sovereign, it was the Fifth Fleet under Admiral Hackett. Shepard contributed to the win by opening the Citadel, yes, but Shepard didn't destroy the reaper. Shepard just fought the Saren hopper - Assuming control of this form - the body is irrelevant - I am Sovereign and this station is mine.

 

So why did they even call Shepard in front of the committee in the beginning of ME3? Video game. You're the hero. You have to be the center of attention while everyone else is an idiot. Although, Shepard is an idiot, too!

 

* I thought Asari needed other species to reproduce.

* I will not let fear compromise who I am.

* This is not about strategy or tactics. It's about survival.

* I'm not leaving. The fight's here.

 

Among other gems.

 

So when we return to the Milky Way, there will be friendly reapers because the galaxy will have reached synthesis. The chaos will have ended.

[AlanC9]

How about the layout of the very first level is entirely dependent on some of your choices throughout the trilogy and how you handle yourself in the trial? If you're found guilty, you're broken out of prison by Anderson, Joker, and the VS around the same time the Reapers invade Earth. If you're found innocent, you get an intro a little more similar to how ME3 started. The point being it would add flavor and actual variety to the game. Some of the choices you've made could be used for you or against you in trial. Even the Paragon options ("He released a Rachni Queen! He's always been reckless.") Plus a trial would be a good way to provide exposition to newer players.

I think that would have been a terrible way to introduce new players, but we'd probably better leave that to an actual new player.

As for the rest of us, this isn't bad, assuming you can write around the problems sH0tgUn jUliA mentions. But even if we're fantasizing about an ME3 with a bigger budget, there are plenty of other things I'd add to the game before adding this.

Not to mention we destroyed an entire solar system, killing 300,000 people. I think it's safe to say a lot of us wanted to actual be there and defend ourselves, cause that's kinda a big colossal friggin deal.

"We" meaning people who played Arrival. What fraction of ME3 players would that be?

[KaiserShep]

Whenever people say "ME3 is perfect until the last 10 minutes," or "Everything until Priority:Earth is amazing" I die a little inside. ME3 is, without a doubt, the dumbest game in the trilogy. It has a few moments that prop it up, but even those moments are vastly overrated IMO. 

 

I dunno. I personally consider ME2 to be the dumbest, and easily the most overrated. But what do I know? I'm an internet edgelord (I love that phrase).

[Killroy]

I dunno. I personally consider ME2 to be the dumbest, and easily the most overrated. But what do I know? I'm an internet edgelord (I love that phrase).

 

ME2 is definitely dumb, but ME3 took dumb to new levels. ME3 feels like it was developed by and for 13 year old boys. At least ME2 had a lot of fun characters didn't force emotions or autodialogue on you every 5 minutes.

 

I still can't get over EDI's massive breasts and cameltoe. What the hell were they thinking?

[KaiserShep]

I didn't know about the cameltoe until BSN pointed it out, but then I always avoided that white catsuit and went straight for the black or the alternate appearance. 

[themikefest]

The hologram turned platform was better as a hologram

[Dean_the_Young]

I didn't know about the cameltoe until BSN pointed it out, but then I always avoided that white catsuit and went straight for the black or the alternate appearance. 

 

ME2 is the only game I've ever bought cosmetic/costume DLC for.

 

I had some extra leftover Bioware points, noted that Miranda had something that almost looked like armor, and I never looked back.

[dreamgazer]

I dunno. I personally consider ME2 to be the dumbest, and easily the most overrated.

Absolutely. No matter how bad some folks think ME3's writing ended up being, it was still an improvement.

Also, I'll take a bit of auto-dialogue (the "strategy" line sounds just like something Commander "You're not alive, not really. You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!" Shepard would say) over the railroaded stupidity of what got Shepard killed at the beginning of ME2. Any day of the week.

And sprites? Look closer at Illium, folks. Everywhere!

[dreamgazer]

I didn't know about the cameltoe until BSN pointed it out, but then I always avoided that white catsuit and went straight for the black or the alternate appearance.

That's because it's one you specifically have to select, let alone have optional (technically paid) DLC installed to access.

You have to pay to not see Miranda in that catsuit.

[Mathias]

I'd rather they have polished the ending/final mission if we're going to change missions, rather than mutually-exclusive tutorial combat. Priority: Earth could have used the resources to reflect allies and past choices a lot more than any 'trial.'

Why not both?

[dreamgazer]

Why not both?

Read Julia's post about the trial. I agree: it's a big wad of problems.

[SlottsMachine]

Yeah, I wouldn't have minded the auto dialogue so much if the writing of Shepard's dialogue had improved. The "strategy and tactics" line never really bothered me though, Shep's a soldier not some grand military strategist like Yang Wenli.  

[Mathias]

Read Julia's post about the trial. I agree: it's a big wad of problems.

 

I read it, I just don't agree with it. 

[wolfhowwl]

Why not both?

 

Uh.

 

Money?

 

Deadlines?

[ComedicSociopathy]

I still can't get over EDI's massive breasts and cameltoe. What the hell were they thinking?

 

They weren't thinking. Instead they were...

 

 

Same reason we got Miranda ass cam in ME 2.