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[Iakus]

^It's actually impressive how some series, like Breaking Bad, are able to turn out so well, despite the writers have absolutely no idea what they're doing/planning the entire time. Most of the Season 5 flash forwards were like this, where Vince Gilligan actually had no idea what Walt would be using the assault rifle for until the last couple episodes.

 

This might be more controversial, but the Dark Knight Trilogy, also one of my favorites, falls into that category as well.

Then there's stuff like Lost, BSG, the X-Files...

 

Mass Effect clearly falls more into this category.

[Il Divo]

No arguments there.

[TheButterflyEffect]

I like it, because the Milky Way is boring and Earth is for losers. Let it become a Garden of Eden, the stuff of myths, just to make it seem more interesting than it actually is, without characters actually learning the truth.

[Mathias]

For someone who's in a high position not to do much makes me wonder how high up the chain of command he really is. He maybe overruled by politicians, but he could have people investigate under the radar and not just Kenson. Why couldn't he tell Anderson to get hold of the the characters that helped Shepard chase Saren go back to Eden Prime to see if there's anymore that can be found where the beacon was found? Or how about sending Liara to Mars? She does study the Protheans. Or send them to Ilos to see if there's anything useful that might help.
 

If he didn't know why would he say I thought Cerberus might try something when talking with him after Mars?

 

These are really petty complaints being made towards a character that can just as easily be made to any other character involved with Shepard in his investigation of Saren. If you hate Hackett because you feel he didn't do enough or anything at all to investigate the Reapers, then you should be hating everyone else. But no that wouldn't be convenient for whatever argument you're trying to make, so you'll make excuses for them right? 

[themikefest]

These are really petty complaints being made towards a character that can just as easily be made to any other character involved with Shepard in his investigation of Saren. If you hate Hackett because you feel he didn't do enough or anything at all to investigate the Reapers,

Yeah I hate the character and not just for the reasons I mentioned
 

then you should be hating everyone else.

Are you referring to the ME1 characters? Why don't you read all my posts, and not just this thread, but all the other threads, where I mentioned that I do hate them for not making any effort for not finding a way to stop the reapers before making any assumptions
 

But no that wouldn't be convenient for whatever argument you're trying to make, so you'll make excuses for them right?

Jumping to conclusions without anything to back up your post, right?

[Mathias]

Yeah I hate the character and not just for the reasons I mentioned
 

Are you referring to the ME1 characters? Why don't you read all my posts, and not just this thread, but all the other threads, where I mentioned that I do hate them for not making any effort for not finding a way to stop the reapers before making any assumptions

 

We're done here.

[Drone223]

I like it, because the Milky Way is boring and Earth is for losers. Let it become a Garden of Eden, the stuff of myths, just to make it seem more interesting than it actually is, without characters actually learning the truth.

Bioware tried to do something like that with the epilogue of ME3, people didn't like it.

[Ahglock]

One of my big complaints with ME3 was with how Cerberus came out in the story.  Don't get me wrong they were basically cobra with the illusive man as cobra commander but indoctrinated stooges just fell flat for me. 

 

So taking that into account and assuming we ae just talking changes to ME3 and not starting at ME2 the more I think about it the more I kind of wish they had put together a movie sequence made of short clips of a trial for the opening credits.  I could sort of work like the DLC that allowed you to create a world state for ME3 if you weren't importing and either import automatically or ask questions about what happened to get the answers.  Have the trial sum up parts of ME1 and 2, give the feel that Shepard is being railroaded in the trial, heck have Shepard bring up that be was given tacit permission to work with Cerberus so now claiming it was traitorous is ludicrous and then have him put in Jail. 

 

Start ME3 intro/tutorial in a jail break financed/run by Cerberus and continue working with the illusive man in a plot to stop the Reapers.  Have the reapers show up mid to late game if they show up at all. Awesome, no not even close.  But if you aren't changing ME2 you don't have many cards in your deck to play and I'd rather have played a different hand than with how Cerberus came out in ME3.

[AlanC9]

Start ME3 intro/tutorial in a jail break financed/run by Cerberus and continue working with the illusive man in a plot to stop the Reapers.  Have the reapers show up mid to late game if they show up at all. Awesome, no not even close.  But if you aren't changing ME2 you don't have many cards in your deck to play and I'd rather have played a different hand than with how Cerberus came out in ME3.

But then you need an ME4 to wrap things up, and it's going to be even harder since now you've got another game's worth of choices and consequences that have to be handled.

[Ahglock]

But then you need an ME4 to wrap things up, and it's going to be even harder since now you've got another game's worth of choices and consequences that have to be handled.

I'm not sure you'd need a ME4..  The bulk of ME3 then would have been what I think ME2 should of been gathering forces, tech, resources etc.  But the how I see it the fight with the reapers does not have to take much game time IMO. Once you've leveled up the galaxy the war can be done in 3 missions or less.  The bulk of the conflict happened off camera as is, it was all gather forces crap.  Just have that done pre invasion instead of post.  Obviously nothing is or would change, and this is purely based on the concept that the intro was kind of lack luster. But once you change the intro, how would that change the rest of the story.  And while overall I think ME2 had a pretty bad overall story/plot, it was a decent 7 samurai spin and I actually liked Cerberus. So a idle thought on how it potentially could of been written to keep Cerberus in the story. 

[Arcian]

Setting Mass Effect 4 in another galaxy was the most logical direction to take the series

 

I hope you were kidding because my sides are dying.

[KaiserShep]

One of my big complaints with ME3 was with how Cerberus came out in the story.  Don't get me wrong they were basically cobra with the illusive man as cobra commander but indoctrinated stooges just fell flat for me. 
 
So taking that into account and assuming we ae just talking changes to ME3 and not starting at ME2 the more I think about it the more I kind of wish they had put together a movie sequence made of short clips of a trial for the opening credits.  I could sort of work like the DLC that allowed you to create a world state for ME3 if you weren't importing and either import automatically or ask questions about what happened to get the answers.  Have the trial sum up parts of ME1 and 2, give the feel that Shepard is being railroaded in the trial, heck have Shepard bring up that be was given tacit permission to work with Cerberus so now claiming it was traitorous is ludicrous and then have him put in Jail. 
 
Start ME3 intro/tutorial in a jail break financed/run by Cerberus and continue working with the illusive man in a plot to stop the Reapers.  Have the reapers show up mid to late game if they show up at all. Awesome, no not even close.  But if you aren't changing ME2 you don't have many cards in your deck to play and I'd rather have played a different hand than with how Cerberus came out in ME3.

I wish Cerberus was named Cobra and whenever you attacked one of their bases they all screamed COOOOOOOOOOOBRAAAA! in unison.

[Iakus]

I wish Cerberus was named Cobra and whenever you attacked one of their bases they all screamed COOOOOOOOOOOBRAAAA! in unison.

Gee thanks, now I'll never get that out of my head 

[Killroy]

I hope you were kidding because my sides are dying.

So what's a more logical solution to the mess ME3 created?

[link2twenty]

Killroy Don't feed the trolls 

[Iakus]

So what's a more logical solution to the mess ME3 created?

ME3 is a Great Old One.  Logic simply cannot be applied to it.  It renders all human works irrelevant and leave naught but chaos and madness in its wake.

[Kroitz]

So what's a more logical solution to the mess ME3 created?

 

Indoctrination theory, because plasma can´t melt reapers.

[Arcian]

So what's a more logical solution to the mess ME3 created?

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:

 

1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.

2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.

3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.

 

Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

[Killroy]

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:
 
1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.
2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.
3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.
 
Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

That's the opposite of logical. It's entirely illogical. You have to go in with the assumption that the game design is stupid and just deal with it, before you even press one key.

[CYRAX470]

Such an act would no doubt immediately ****** off the faction of fans who did like the endings. Thus causing yet another controversy and putting BioWare in a negatively light again. I sure as hell wouldn't mind such an act. But it would just cause too much trouble.

[Ahglock]

Gee thanks, now I'll never get that out of my head

Kai lame could have been dressed all in white for a storm shadow feel.

Though Cobras real bad ass was firefly.(technically a merc they frequently hired)

[Chealec]

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:

 

1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.

2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.

3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.

 

Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

 

May as well retcon to the beginning of ME2 and have everything that happened from there on in as the fevered imaginings of Shepard's dying brain as he burnt up in the planet's atmosphere... or have him wake up and it was all a dream.

 

Oh, I know, the Reapers were never real in the first place - the whole of ME2 and 3 are just playing through the story of an elaborate insurance scam that Shepard filed when he pranged the Normandy at the start of ME2; the council were actually the insurance company and that's what they were referring to when they said "Ah, yes, Reapers - we have dismissed this claim"!

[AlanC9]

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:

1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.
2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.
3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.

Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

So, canonize Destroy, except that they're lying about canonizing Destroy?

Oh, wait... no, you want to canonize MEHEM, don't you?

[dragonflight288]

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:

 

1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.

2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.

3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.

 

Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

 

So....utterly ignore all galaxy-wide changing consequences and player choice in who lives and dies, whether reapers exist or not as peacekeepers and completely ignore that every organic may now be part synthetic and every synthetic is now part organic and simply say "go with it."

 

....ummm.....

 

does not compute. 

[Ahriman]

Let it go, let it go

You can't explore MW anymore

Let it go, let it go

A lot of things are still in lore

Pack your Ark and fly away

Let it go, let it go

MW was just as fictional anyway.

 

*sigh* We need official info, so some sectarians will finally calm down.