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[Drone223]

Why are you interested in space at all? Earth's oceans are almost completely unexplored. Why aren't you pushing for BioWare to set ME4 in the Pacific Ocean?
 

Your missing the point, Bioware should add depth with what's already there before expanding the setting.

 

Why? What is there to be gained? BioWare is a business, not your mommy.

 

Bioware can be more transparent with what their doing instead of using PR for damage control.

 

It only makes them look where? And how is ignoring the ending of ME3 telling their audience that they were wrong? If anything it tells them they were right. You're entirely illogical.

 

No Bioware because if Bioware owned up to their mistakes they wouldn't be setting the game in another galaxy.

[KaiserShep]

They would still just be prequels. I don't want to play prequels and I would bet I'm in the majority.

I'm entirely against a prequel of any sort. If BioWare decided to go back in time in the MEU instead of forward, it would be the first time ever that I refused to pay for one of their games. 

[Mcfly616]

The Milky Way is the entire franchise? Really?

 Always jumping to conclusions. That or putting words in others mouths. 

 

 

Predictable.

[Drone223]

@ drone. All of the mass relays in the Milky Way were heavily damaged by the Crucible beam. Remember that in the original ending they were destroyed. So... this means they'd have to be rebuilt which is no small task and would take centuries. Remember we've never built one. So now we have to 1) build factories to build the parts to assemble together for the relays. 2) assemble these parts on the relays. 3) and make sure they work. For every relay in the galaxy. Remember, we didn't get to see even all of the mass relays that were opened - only those needed for the story. Then there's problems with food production and other things that are priorities even over getting the mass relay system in order. Remember our planets are a mess.

 

The reaper war and the endings combined made the galaxy a wasteland.

If the galaxy is able to rebuild the citadel as seen in the EC then rebuilding the relay's isn't out of the question (Aethyta even suggest that the galaxy start making their own). So its quite possible to continue the series in the milky way.

 

Also Mass Effect was never about Mass Relays. Mass Effect was the technology that enabled faster  than light travel.

 

True but at the same time the relay's are an iconic part of the series.

[Mcfly616]

I'm entirely against a prequel of any sort. If BioWare decided to go back in time in the MEU instead of forward, it would be the first time ever that I refused to pay for one of their games. 

 so, just existing post ME3 is make or break for you? Why is anything pre-ME3 a deal breaker?

[KaiserShep]

I don't think that the relays themselves are that valuable as icons. The writers could just as well obsolesce the relays with new technology and totally make them background relics that no one sees or cares about and it wouldn't really make a difference. 

[themikefest]

I'm entirely against a prequel of any sort. If BioWare decided to go back in time in the MEU instead of forward, it would be the first time ever that I refused to pay for one of their games. 

I wouldn't go that far. I would not preorder the game. I would watch videos of the game and read reviews about it before deciding if I would purchase the game

[AlanC9]

I'm using BioWare's own logic.

Well, yeah, but it's bad logic and they should drop it. (I was one of the guys pushing for no save import in DA2.)

[AlanC9]

If the galaxy is able to rebuild the citadel as seen in the EC then rebuilding the relay's isn't out of the question (Aethyta even suggest that the galaxy start making their own). So its quite possible to continue the series in the milky way.

Or to continue the series without relays at all, though if we get far enough ahead in the timeline I suppose someone would have to figure the things out.

[Drone223]

so, just existing post ME3 is make or break for you? Why is anything pre-ME3 a deal breaker?

Being cautious about prequels is reasonable since they're hard to pull off. That being said I agree that people shouldn't dismiss prequels too quickly Deus Ex: HR, MGS 3 and Halo: Reach are examples of prequels being done right.

[Killroy]

Your missing the point, Bioware should add depth with what's already there before expanding the setting.

They spent 3 games adding depth. Then they wrecked the galaxy. Time to get over it. Being illogical and sticking your fingers in your ears won't change anything.
 

Bioware can be more transparent with what their doing instead of using PR for damage control.

Again, what is there to be gained? How would it benefit them?
 

No Bioware because if Bioware owned up to their mistakes they wouldn't be setting the game in another galaxy.

That doesn't even make any sense. Admitting that the endings were stupid would make the endings disappear forever? Do you even think while you're typing this nonsense?

Always jumping to conclusions. That or putting words in others mouths. 
Predictable.

Don't use analogies if you don't know what they mean. "Throwing the baby out with the bath water" means throwing away the one important thing to solve a minor problem.

[Killroy]

Well, yeah, but it's bad logic and they should drop it. (I was one of the guys pushing for no save import in DA2.)

If they were to constantly throw out player decisions and set canon world states every time it would just make the choice system feel entirely pointless. It would also end up being confusing as hell.

[AlanC9]

If they were to constantly throw out player decisions and set canon world states every time it would just make the choice system feel entirely pointless. It would also end up being confusing as hell.

Confusing? Really?

[This is the End My Friend]

While I would've preferred that the next ME had stayed in the Milky Way really when it comes down to it BioWare will make a good game or they wont and which Galaxy it is set in will have little to do with it. 

[KaiserShep]

 so, just existing post ME3 is make or break for you? Why is anything pre-ME3 a deal breaker?

 

 

Pretty much. I have several issues that are pretty much unavoidable with a Mass Effect prequel that would automatically drive me to hate it. It retreads all the old history and all the old conflicts. Batarian/human relations, the genophage, the geth, the state of the human race, etc.. These are all widespread things that set the climate of the galaxy, but they were all resolved and I would prefer them to stay that way. The only way to avoid them entirely would be to simply set the story in as far out off the ass-end of the Milky Way as possible, which would then beg the question as to the point of this setting in the first place. Then there's the plot itself. The only value I see in a prequel is its setup for the conflict or character presented in a story prior to this one, but it obviously can't do that here because the trilogy is pretty much self contained. Without that, I have zero interest. Frankly, I find abandoning the galaxy preferable to going backward in time. 

[Mcfly616]

Don't use analogies if you don't know what they mean. "Throwing the baby out with the bath water" means throwing away the one important thing to solve a minor problem.

 Wrong. It means you throw out "an" important thing. Not "the" one important thing. You have some absolute and incorrect views about a great many things, as you've demonstrated numerous times since joining. You have an extremely asinine interpretation on anything you disagree with. I'm not going to stop using analogies because you make baseless assumptions. Nice try though.

 

But yes, entirely abandoning the established setting is a big deal. And no, the setting is not THE one important thing. But it is a pretty important thing. 

[Fredward]

Who cares, really? Who in their right mind was expecting them to build on top of three different endings? If we picked destroy are we now back in a world with machines or still building them? If we picked control are we going to have to work around/in conjunction with Reaper-GodShep? If we chose synthesis are we going to play in some perfect paradise with blackjack and hookers? Like. Hi. This was always going to be the result even if everyone didn't lose their minds entirely with the ending, they needed a new slate so that either meant an entirely new galaxy, a prequel or an exceedingly distant future.

[Mcfly616]

Pretty much. I have several issues that are pretty much unavoidable with a Mass Effect prequel that would automatically drive me to hate it. It retreads all the old history and all the old conflicts. Batarian/human relations, the genophage, the geth, the state of the human race, etc.. These are all widespread things that set the climate of the galaxy, but they were all resolved and I would prefer them to stay that way. The only way to avoid them entirely would be to simply set the story in as far out off the ass-end of the Milky Way as possible, which would then beg the question as to the point of this setting in the first place. Then there's the plot itself. The only value I see in a prequel is its setup for the conflict or character presented in a story prior to this one, but it obviously can't do that here because the trilogy is pretty much self contained. Without that, I have zero interest. Frankly, I find abandoning the galaxy preferable to going backward in time. 

 that would be your own personal problem then, would it not? It doesn't in any way stop it from being great game and/or story.

 

they could've told a story about some crews adventure (there's trillions of beings in the Galaxy and any number are experiencing something extraordinary at any given moment.) They could've set this game before ME3 or before the Shepard Trilogy, and never had to mention Reapers (because nobody but Shepard's crew and a handful of others actually know what they are and that they exist).

 

This would allow us to see some places we've seen very sparingly (or not at all) throughout the franchise. I would've liked to stroll the streets of a Thessian metropolis, or actually had been able to set foot on Palaven. Not to mention all the other unexplored territory throughout our own neighborhood (the Milky Way). We could've seen the Citadel from a different, grander perspective (now that we're on next gen). Bottom line is, they could've stayed in a setting we've come to know and love, whilst giving us a completely new experience and it taking place before Shepard saves the galaxy wouldn't have any effect on the quality of the story.

[Drone223]

They spent 3 games adding depth.
 

They barely scratched the surface with the trilogy considering that less than 1% of the known galaxy has been charted.

 

Then they wrecked the galaxy.

 

They didn't and as McFly pointed out prequels (and sidequels) can be done as well that have no relation to the plot of the trilogy.

 

Again, what is there to be gained? How would it benefit them?

 

Consumor's can't trust Bioware if Bioware doesn't show much transparency.

 

That doesn't even make any sense. Admitting that the endings were stupid would make the endings disappear forever? Do you even think while you're typing this nonsense?

 

Your putting words in my mouth I never said that Bioware admitting making mistakes will make them go away.

[This is the End My Friend]

Who cares, really? Who in their right mind was expecting them to build on top of three different endings? If we picked destroy are we now back in a world with machines or still building them? If we picked control are we going to have to work around/in conjunction with Reaper-GodShep? If we chose synthesis are we going to play in some perfect paradise with blackjack and hookers? Like. Hi. This was always going to be the result even if everyone didn't lose their minds entirely with the ending, they needed a new slate so that either meant an entirely new galaxy, a prequel or an exceedingly distant future.

 

I think you are severely underestimated BioWare's ability to hand wave just about anything. Its what they do.  

[Fredward]

I think you are severely underestimated BioWare's ability to hand wave just about anything. Its what they do.  

 

Not really? It is what they're doing. Just with more finesse than going 'we're still in the Milky Way and your choices don't matter at all!' Now we're Andromeda and our choices don't matter at all which is better.

[Killroy]

Confusing? Really?

Imagine if you make decisions that are always non-canon, with each sequel doing a bunch of different stuff you didn't choose. The outcomes of those things and their consequences would be new to you, starting you on unsure footing every time.

[Killroy]

Wrong. It means you throw out "an" important thing. Not "the" one important thing. You have some absolute and incorrect views about a great many things, as you've demonstrated numerous times since joining. You have an extremely asinine interpretation on anything you disagree with. I'm not going to stop using analogies because you make baseless assumptions. Nice try though.

Wrong. But nice try though.
Pay attention to the analogy. The only reason you have the bathwater is to clean the baby. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater means you're throwing out the ONLY important thing. There is no other thing in the analogy, let alone another important thing.
 

But yes, entirely abandoning the established setting is a big deal. And no, the setting is not THE one important thing. But it is a pretty important thing.

Being a big deal means it's automatically bad?

[This is the End My Friend]

Being a big deal means it's automatically bad?

 

Good point. 

[Killroy]

They barely scratched the surface with the trilogy considering that less than 1% of the known galaxy has been charted.

So they have to explore 100% of the galaxy before they're allowed to move on?
 

They didn't and as McFly pointed out prequels (and sidequels) can be done as well that have no relation to the plot of the trilogy.

Who the hell wants to play them?
 

Consumor's can't trust Bioware if Bioware doesn't show much transparency.

Show me the clamor from consumers for BioWare to admit that the endings are trash. Where are these consumers that won't buy BioWare products until they hear from BioWare "We assed up the ending to Mass Effect. Please trust us again."
 

Your putting words in my mouth I never said that Bioware admitting making mistakes will make them go away.

You said that if they admitted their mistake they could keep making games in the Milky Way galaxy, like an admission is all it takes to fix the cluster**** they made. If that's not what you meant then explain yourself.