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[Iakus]

So, canonize Destroy, except that they're lying about canonizing Destroy?

Oh, wait... no, you want to canonize MEHEM, don't you?

Or canonize Control except the Reapers have made themselves scarce because Reasons

 

Or Canonize Synthesis except, well,  no let's just forget about Synthesis

 

Or Canonize the Crucible activated a reboot  in the Reapers and they all flew back out into dark space to hibernate for another fifty thousand years

 

Or canonize a memory wipe and the Reapers are off somewhere working on a new "solution"

 

It's not all about Destroy and MEHEM you know.  

[Iakus]

 

Oh, I know, the Reapers were never real in the first place - the whole of ME2 and 3 are just playing through the story of an elaborate insurance scam that Shepard filed when he pranged the Normandy at the start of ME2; the council were actually the insurance company and that's what they were referring to when they said "Ah, yes, Reapers - we have dismissed this claim"!

Still better than ME3's endings.

 

No, I am not joking.

[AlanC9]

Or canonize Control except the Reapers have made themselves scarce because Reasons
 
Or Canonize Synthesis except, well,  no let's just forget about Synthesis
 
Or Canonize the Crucible activated a reboot  in the Reapers and they all flew back out into dark space to hibernate for another fifty thousand years
 
Or canonize a memory wipe and the Reapers are off somewhere working on a new "solution"
 
It's not all about Destroy and MEHEM you know.

MEHEM was wholly consistent with what Arcian proposed. If you want to add details so that MEHEM isn't consistent with the proposed approach, that's fine. But I'm not sure what problem that's intended to solve

[Ariella]

Continue the Milky Way. Ignore all three(four) endings. Keep any references to the old trilogy extremely non-specific. If people discuss the Reaper War, keep it to the extent of "Shepard united the galaxy and defeated the Reapers." and no more specific than that. This ensures three important things:
 
1) The geth, krogan and quarians are still around.
2) The Reapers are absolutely and permanently gone.
3) The species of the galaxy haven't been violated by the green robostreambeam of Mechashep.
 
Voila, BioWare can now put the Shepard trilogy behind them and never repeat its mistakes ever again.

Yeah, let's not and say we did.

What you're suggesting would be a HUGE mistake. And honestly, why is everybody so attached to staying in the MW?

[Iakus]

MEHEM was wholly consistent with what Arcian proposed. If you want to add details so that MEHEM isn't consistent with the proposed approach, that's fine. But I'm not sure what problem that's intended to solve

And I just illustrated that a lot of other scenarios besides MEHEM were also totally consistent with what was described.

 

Seriously, this MEHEM fascination you have is bordering on Red-baiting.

 

"You don't like the endings, you're not a MEHEM supporter, are you?"

[MrMrPendragon]

They did have ONE good choice

 

 

Destroy: Deal with it

[CYRAX470]

Canonizing MEHEM would be a dream come true for me. But, I know it isn't the answer. There's no win for anyone going back to the Milky Way. In the end I agree with Mathias, it had to be this way. I actually had a sense of relief when that leaked survey came out, and then came E3, and I felt tremendous weight lifted away.

[Chealec]

They did have ONE good choice

 

 

Destroy: Deal with it

 

Oddly that was (just) my host hated choice... Control > Refuse >>>> Synthesis > Destroy

 

Much as I hated admitting it - the Illusive man was right :|

[PinkysPain]

Setting Mass Effect 4 in another galaxy was the most logical direction to take the series, from both a business and artistic standpoint.

 

No and yes. The amount of players with a deep attachment to the any of the RGB endings is in my opinion much smaller than the amount of players who just want to put the ME3 ending behind them and move on in the Mass Effect universe.

 

Canonize destroy? Sure, whatever, I don't care. Do that, move on a couple of decades and never mention the cluster**** ending again and I'm happy.

 

Instead the integrity of McCasey's "artistic" vision is preserved and I'm not happy (or buying).

 

ps. some Geth which avoided destruction and which used Legion's original method of autonomic sapience sans reaper code would be nice too.

[Killroy]

They did have ONE good choice

 

 

Destroy: Deal with it

 

The ending choice is only a part of the problem. What about the Krogans? And the Quarians? And the Rachni? And Earth? Earth can be destroyed depending on your EMS.

 

They would have to create an entire canon world state.

[dragonflight288]

And canonize me 1 and 2 choices. Wrex or Wreave, legion given to Cerberus? Ashley or Kaiden dead, or both?

[AlanC9]

And canonize me 1 and 2 choices. Wrex or Wreave, legion given to Cerberus? Ashley or Kaiden dead, or both?

Wrex is the hard one there. The VS could just be irrelevant and so not mentioned, and Legion's dead whatever happens.

[dragonflight288]

Wrex is the hard one there. The VS could just be irrelevant and so not mentioned, and Legion's dead whatever happens.

 

Wrex or Wreave may very well determine the fate of the Krogan with the genophage cured and if Legion is given to Cerberus it means outright that unity between Geth and Quarians is impossible so one side must face eradication, which has a direct bearing on what they plan to canonize for ME3, should they choose to do so. 

[DanishViking]

I will buy the whole other galaxy 

 

if this N7 Crew somehow went into a wormhole, and came out in the new galaxy.

right in the middle of the reaper war ( as they were about to fall to the reapers)

 

That would mean alot for the story too because,

then it wont be like ( the stories about the legendary shepard and his team) 

 

but instead, ( i hope shepard and the rest are holding on)

 

because i think pushing the story 100 of years away is lazy and that's the easy way out of it.

[dragonflight288]

I will buy the whole other galaxy 

 

if this N7 Crew somehow went into a wormhole, and came out in the new galaxy.

right in the middle of the reaper war ( as they were about to fall to the reapers)

 

That would mean alot for the story too because,

then it wont be like ( the stories about the legendary shepard and his team) 

 

but instead, ( i hope shepard and the rest are holding on)

 

because i think pushing the story 100 of years away is lazy and that's the easy way out of it.

 

It's already established this not just 100 years away, it's a few centuries. 

 

Which means the game is likely so far along in development that we are in Andromeda and the Reaper War will likely only be referenced vaguely in codex entries. 

[DanishViking]

It's already established this not just 100 years away, it's a few centuries. 

 

Which means the game is likely so far along in development that we are in Andromeda and the Reaper War will likely only be referenced vaguely in codex entries. 

 

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever

 

so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future

 

else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

[LinksOcarina]

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever

 

so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future

 

else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

 

Worked for KotoR really...

 

Although I doubt it's the same tech in the end. The Mako has a major redesign as it is...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever

 

so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future

 

else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

Not true. The Mass Effect franchise already has examples of weapons and tech that has been around for centuries yet still in use during the games. 

 

Plus if the trip takes several centuries but the people are in stasis then both conditions are met: set centuries in the future yet level of tech the same. 

[Chealec]

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever

 

so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future

 

else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

 

If they've just spent a few centuries in stasis travelling from the Milky Way to Andromeda a lack of technical advancement makes perfect sense.

[Killroy]

It's already established this not just 100 years away, it's a few centuries.

Source?

[AlanC9]

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever
 
so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future
 
else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

Humans were able to fight the turians on more-or-less equal terms despite the turians having had mass effect starships for several more centuries. If this sort of thing actually bothered you then you shouldn't be here.

[Ariella]

If it's a few Centuries having same weapons and Tech makes no sense whatsoever
 
so the crew we are following must have somehow gone into some sort of blackhole and into the future
 
else having the same Tech would not make any sense.

Or the ship took 100 years to get there and they were in cryo.

[Grieving Natashina]

*sigh* We need official info, so some sectarians will finally calm down.

If DA:I's development cycle taught me anything, is that more info will only lead to more threads like this. As soon as it was revealed that there was a new PC for DA:I, the threads that were asking for the return of the Warden as a PC only got more frequent. It doesn't make these folks right or wrong imho, but sometimes new information makes folks cling more tightly to what they prefer. There is still Warden and Hawke threads to this day

As far as the topic goes, this doesn't bother me all that much. I'll admit that I will miss the Milky Way. There was something very neat about bombing around our own "backyard" in the cosmos. I flew through the Milky Way for giggles in ME1 and ME2. I loved being on Mars in ME3, and seeing how the BW artists interpreted the planet. However, after playing the series all the way through 3xs in less than a year (first time I completed the series was in June of last year,) I support the move to Andromeda. It makes the most sense to me, even though I look back at the MW and sadly wave goodbye.

I've thought about it and I have read the entire thread to this point. I've seen the arguments for and against the move. I do think the devs and writers had a choice, but what some need to accept is that this move is what the devs thought would work best. This is the setting we're going to get. We can speculate all day long about why this happened. I think it was a combination of several factors along with the endings. We'll probably spend the year+ prior to release discussing about why this move does or doesn't work. Some details might change and quests might be revised or removed, but the core story is set. That means that the move is going to stick.

I do know I'm not picking up the game right away in any case. After the constant patches and other issues with DA:I upon release, I'm gunshy about picking up any BW game before they have a chance to patch up the base game first. <mild glare>

[Ahriman]

Worked for KotoR really...

 

Although I doubt it's the same tech in the end. The Mako has a major redesign as it is...

It's M40, so technically it's between 'Mako' and 'Hammerhead'.

Anyway

 

It's already established this not just 100 years away, it's a few centuries.

It's not. So discussion about lack of tech progress is kinda pointless.

 

If DA:I's development cycle taught me anything, is that more info will only lead to more threads like this. As soon as it was revealed that there was a new PC for DA:I, the threads that were asking for the return of the Warden as a PC only got more frequent. It doesn't make these folks right or wrong imho, but sometimes new information makes folks cling more tightly to what they prefer. There is still Warden and Hawke threads to this day

Hmph, you are probably right. This will span until release and even after it.

[Linkenski]

I don't agree with them having the next game in Andromeda, but I accept it. It gives them time away from the Milky Way to have a story separate from the previous 3 games and the Milky Way

 

I've posted a few times in the past that I believe the next game will be in the Milky Way and that Shepard will make a return. But that's me

Argh, but the canon post ME3 would be impossible to portray properly in Milkyway when there are at least 2 vastly different canons (Synthesis is an entirely "new form of life", remember?). It would be impossible to show what happens after ME3 with any believability partly because it's bullshit but also because even if they found found a clever way to subvert the ideas it would still fall way short of the initial idea. (cuz the idea, much like reapers, are above comprehension, ergo, not something a human writer could portray unless they had abnormally high IQ or something)