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Thread topic is a lore misunderstanding and can be deleted or ignored. Dead thread is Dead.

 

 

(Dirthamen and Solas (Falon'Din)  are twins.) (Too early in the morning for lore!) 

 

So I am not a lore expert by any means. I know what I know from in-game codex and character spoken lore and on to the Wiki. I don't own either of the World of Thedas books but I look forward to one day. (Maybe. I don't collect as much now that I am older.) 

 

To the question at hand. Do you; forumite think there is a possibility, even remotely minute-that Solas may actually be Dirthamen the God of Secrets instead of the actual Falon'Din or both? 

 

Solas spoke a lot about truth and what was misconstrued. If we assume he could be Dirthamen, then maybe he only corrected the lore about his brother out of respect for his brother. Dirthamen would have been all about the knowledge and less the subterfuge. This could also explain why he had no idea how to fix a veil that he claimed to create. I felt the, "too weak" line of dialogue weak and  convenient. Dirthamen sought truth. We see the ravens in several scenes of Dragon Age Inquisition that suggest he is present. This could also explain the overt use of bears in this game too! Two Ravens are significant to the lore behind Dirthamen and bears kept his secret! 

 

Dirthamen is said to have given the elven people loyalty and faith in family. In the Hinterlands, Solas helps with an elf who is with the breach rift worshipers and tells the young man to go home. He explains how family is important. Solas tries desperately to convince Sera of her attachment to the elven people. Family was/is important to him. It says Dirthamen gave each creature a secret to keep-perhaps even the wolf. A dread wolf. One about the veil maybe.

 

In the Fade during the Wardens quest, Fear (also named as one of two Ravens Dirthamen tricked) accosted Solas with comments about pride and being abandoned. As if this has happened before. There certainly was no fear of a dread wolf in the Fear demon. This is also where we learn Solas' deepest fear was to die alone. Dirthamen in his lore was lost in the fade and alone from Falon'Din for the first time. He subdued the ravens Fear and Deceit to be reunited with his brother. Solas' does not want to be alone. Falon'Din didn't seek Dirthamen-it was told the other way around. 

 

These two could also be one and the same. Twin souls could mean that Falon'Din and Dirthamen are one and the same. One exists in the physical plane and the other the fade. Mythal recognizes Solas as Falon'Din-Dread wolf, but that doesn't mean it isn't true if Solas was Dirthamen too. They are twins!

 

Dread Wolf was the trickster in all of the tales before. We have all readily decided this final revelation is truth. Why would Solas be telling the truth? He hasn't the entire game. Trespasser only gives us an admission that many wanted to be confirmed. It is as convenient as being too weak. Too weak to what? Make better choices with the foci? Maybe Dirthamen is following Falon'Din still. Looking for his brother. Fear and Deceit his heralds, Solas may still be more than we think.  

 

We never see Solas' give the foci to Corypheus. And Corypheus, as far as I remember, does not remember him. He refers to Solas as a ragged mage in the final fight. Maybe it was Corypheus using the foci that woke Solas to begin with. Because Cory spent a great deal of energy and time organizing the retrieval of relics long before Solas was awake. For someone like Falon'Din to be so focused on his people doesn't ring true. This is the legendary trickster who isolated everyone from the fade and the waking world by his own admission. Suddenly he wants to have all that company back?

 

Thedas isn't an honest place. It holds a secret in every corner. The winners and the losers are the ones who can use that to their advantage. Twins pulling a fast one is a trope, but the lore has room for two people to exist as one. Flemythal is proof.   



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He's Fen'harel, not Falon'din.  He has interesting things to say about Falon'din, though, if you bring Solas to the Temple of Mythal and find the right codex.  Stuff about mass-sacrifices of those who not worship him and lakes of blood.  Solas did not like him.


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http://i.imgur.com/p69s31T.jpg

 

I'm trying to add a picture but can't figure it out. Anywho, the newest murals from Trespasser show two versions of Solas in two of them. One always cloaked in darkness or green. The other in a plane that resembles the normal world. Distinct twins acting at the same time.  


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It's Fen'harel, not Falon'Din. But points for a good try. Just keep at it.

EDIT: In my crazy theory Cole is the one that has more things in common with Falon'Din. And Sera with Andruil. After all, Fen'harel and Mythal have started their preparations for their big reveal, and we still have two missing Creators.


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He's Fen'harel, not Falon'din.  He has interesting things to say about Falon'din, though, if you bring Solas to the Temple of Mythal and find the right codex.  Stuff about mass-sacrifices of those who not worship him and lakes of blood.  Solas did not like him.

 

Thanks, like I said I am no lore expert. That said I remember Solas fully trying to explain that Solas came first as an identity. The other tales about Falon'Din were either untrue or awful. I don't remember them being separate from his tale. That would explain my complete confusion at times. Still the twins in those murals are too convenient to be the same person. I don't know but it screams of an obvious truth and a subtle lie. 



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It's Fen'harel, not Falon'Din. But points for a good try. Just keep at it.

EDIT: In my crazy theory Cole is the one that has more things in common with Falon'Din. And Sera with Andruil. After all, Fen'harel and Mythal have started their preparations for their big reveal, and we still have two missing Creators.

 

Thanks! Given my mistake I expect a choir of like comments. I still think the murals may depict the twins though. I am not sure we should trust Fen'Haral at his word.



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Thanks! Given my mistake I expect a choir of like comments. I still think the murals may depict the twins though. I am not sure we should trust Fen'Haral at his word.

 

I've made worse mistakes in theorycrafting :P

 

As for the simple idea that Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the same, that's suggested in one of the mosaic tiles of the Temple of Mythal - "twin souls," I think is the word used.

 

It's interesting that Solas has such nasty things to say about Falon'Din but nothing about Dirthamen at all.  Weird for a "twin soul"


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It's Fen'harel, not Falon'Din. But points for a good try. Just keep at it.

EDIT: In my crazy theory Cole is the one that has more things in common with Falon'Din. And Sera with Andruil. After all, Fen'harel and Mythal have started their preparations for their big reveal, and we still have two missing Creators.

 

That would punch a big hole in the "locked away" parts of the gods story.



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Dirthamen and Solas (Falon'Din)  are twins. 

 

 

 

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You're welcome! 



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That would punch a big hole in the "locked away" parts of the gods story.

 

But in an interesting way.   I don't know if there's any evidence for the OP's theory, but now I have a mental image of Solas stepping into wherever he locked away the Evanuris, with his armies and his magic and whatever preparations he made, and finding...nothing.  Either the Evanuris has given up their evil ways and become humble, or they've been counter-preparing to take him by surprise.

 

Either way, that could be an epic bit of storytelling :P