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[Steelcan]

Once again there is a difference between handing them free reign and holding a gun to their heads.

 

Almost every form of government or institution in the democratic world has some sort of limit placed on it by another force.  For businesses these are regulations and governmental agencies, taxes, and accountability to shareholders, for governments these are checks and balances, term limits, elections, and in some other cases the military or popular support.  The College doesn't need to have templars sitting there going through every student's room looking for evidence of blood magic, it also doesn't need to be left completely to its own devices with no sort of regulation by any external force.

[Reznore57]

I think we don't really know?

I think the college of Enchanters always existed?I remember a mage in the refugee camp in the Hinterland talking about it ?

 

But anyway the circle of magi was build with Chantry's goal in mind , they had to take every mage .

Children were apprentice , after the Harrowing they become official mages , and if they were good enough , they could become Enchanters aka teachers , scholars , people in charge of the Circle.

 

Now the College wouldn't have to take every mages , since they're pro freedom in theory , and I think their main goal is studying magic , so they will mostly want potential scholars who will stay in the college , I guess.

There's also the funding problems , The Circles were independant it seems , but I doubt the templars were ...the Chantry was probably paying the templars , and the templars were the one who went to small villages etc and were bringing new mages.

Chances are the College will end up like the Circles of magi in Tevinter , a school for noble mages .

 

It's also possible without templars , who were performing the rite of tranquility and the Harrowing , the College will not want to bother with problematic mages .So I assume again they won't just take any mage who knock on their door.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Once again there is a difference between handing them free reign and holding a gun to their heads.

 

Almost every form of government or institution in the democratic world has some sort of limit placed on it by another force.  For businesses these are regulations and governmental agencies, taxes, and accountability to shareholders, for governments these are checks and balances, term limits, elections, and in some other cases the military or popular support.  The College doesn't need to have templars sitting there going through every student's room looking for evidence of blood magic, it also doesn't need to be left completely to its own devices with no sort of regulation by any external force.

 

Hmm. Not sure about this. This would possibly mean that the templars would possibly have to be an actual external force that allows mages to live in their towers without their constant supervision. Which would be awful of course. 

[myahele]

One is a collection of mages working together and the other is ran by Vivienne

[ComedicSociopathy]

I think we don't really know?

I think the college of Enchanters always existed?I remember a mage in the refugee camp in the Hinterland talking about it ?

 

But anyway the circle of magi was build with Chantry's goal in mind , they had to take every mage .

Children were apprentice , after the Harrowing they become official mages , and if they were good enough , they could become Enchanters aka teachers , scholars , people in charge of the Circle.

 

Now the College wouldn't have to take every mages , since they're pro freedom in theory , and I think their main goal is studying magic , so they will mostly want potential scholars who will stay in the college , I guess.

There's also the funding problems , The Circles were independant it seems , but I doubt the templars were ...the Chantry was probably paying the templars , and the templars were the one who went to small villages etc and were bringing new mages.

Chances are the College will end up like the Circles of magi in Tevinter , a school for noble mages .

 

It's also possible without templars , who were performing the rite of tranquility and the Harrowing , the College will not want to bother with problematic mages .So I assume again they won't just take any mage who knock on their door.

 

Mage abilities are really, really profitable when you think about it. Healing clinics alone could possibly bankroll the College. Then their's military capabilities, archaeological value through spirit communication, alchemy, enchantments, agriculture, animal breeding, and more. 

 

There's an entire fraternity that represents the accumulation of wealth and I'm sure all those sellswords in the Hinterlands didn't side with the mages out of the kindness of their hearts. 

 

The College probably won't lack for funds. 

[SgtSteel91]

Mage abilities are really, really profitable when you think about it. Healing clinics alone could possibly bankroll the College. Then their's military capabilities, archaeological value through spirit communication, alchemy, enchantments, agriculture, animal breeding, and more. 

 

There's an entire fraternity that represents the accumulation of wealth and I'm sure all those sellswords in the Hinterlands didn't side with the mages out of the kindness of their hearts. 

 

The College probably won't lack for funds. 

 

The main game epilogue did say that the College would allow Mages in the South to gather and find new solutions to age old problems. It could possibly function like real-life colleges, with research grants and the like.

[ComedicSociopathy]

The main game epilogue did say that the College would allow Mages in the South to gather and find new solutions to age old problems. It could possibly function like real-life colleges, with research grants and the like.

 

Maybe! Who knows! Got to wait until DA 4 to find out. I want it so bad. 

 

[MisterJB]

Mage abilities are really, really profitable when you think about it. Healing clinics alone could possibly bankroll the College. Then their's military capabilities, archaeological value through spirit communication, alchemy, enchantments, agriculture, animal breeding, and more. 

 

There's an entire fraternity that represents the accumulation of wealth and I'm sure all those sellswords in the Hinterlands didn't side with the mages out of the kindness of their hearts. 

 

The College probably won't lack for funds. 

 

That is the problem.
 

[ComedicSociopathy]

That is the problem.
 

 

Don't like money, do ya? That's cool. Back to the barter system I say. Mage uses a Creation or Elemental spell to revitalize your crops after a drought, gets twelve goats in return. No minting required. Perfect system. 

[MisterJB]

Don't like money, do ya? That's cool. Back to the barter system I say. Mage uses a Creation or Elemental spell to revitalize your crops after a drought, gets twelve goats in return. No minting required. Perfect system. 

Don't like plutocracy.

[JadeDragon]

Who is the potential leaders of the college and circle besides Viv and Fiona?

[SgtSteel91]

Who is the potential leaders of the college and circle besides Viv and Fiona?

 

Bethany Hawke if she's in the Circle? Probably for the College since she was on board for Mage Freedom at the end of DA2. Or Rys, if he's alive?

[ComedicSociopathy]

 

Don't like plutocracy.

 

 

Fair enough. Not a fan either, especially in light of our world seemingly to heading towards such a governance in all but name. But if the people of Thedas have a demand for such services, mages might as well reap the financial rewards. 

 

 

Who is the potential leaders of the college and circle besides Viv and Fiona?

 

 

As far as we know that's it.

 

Unfortunately. 

[rpgfan321]

Who is the potential leaders of the college and circle besides Viv and Fiona?

We don't know anyone else other than those two. Unless new characters are introduced. There's Rhys from Asunder and he's an Aequitarian, but he's off traveling with his templar love, Evangeline, righting wrongs someplace.

[SgtSteel91]

Don't like money, do ya? That's cool. Back to the barter system I say. Mage uses a Creation or Elemental spell to revitalize your crops after a drought, gets twelve goats in return. No minting required. Perfect system. 

 

Actually, in a world state where Leliana is Divine I can see the College do this if Vivienne's Circle has the political connections and with it jobs that pay in cash/gold/sovereigns.

[sandalisthemaker]

Who leads the College if Fiona is dead anyway?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Who leads the College if Fiona is dead?

 

Sketch? Rys? A random mage that joined the Inquisition? Wynne back from the dead?

 

Inquisition doesn't make a point of telling you.

[sandalisthemaker]

Sketch? Rys? A random mage that joined the Inquisition? Wynne back from the dead?

 

Inquisition doesn't make a point of telling you.

 

That's mildly annoying.

[ComedicSociopathy]

That's mildly annoying.

 

Bioware: The fans want details in their epilogues?

Bioware: They want to know what happens to the Silver Shield, the templars that become sellswords, scout Harding and who the new leader of the College is? 

Bioware: 

Bioware: Suck eggs and buy Dragon Age 4 when it comes out if you want your precious details!

[Bleachrude]

Healing is SUPPOSED to be rare according to World of Thedas...sure, the previous 2 games make it seem like something most mages can have (in Origins, Awakening and DA2, it's possible to have more mages with healing than without) but that;s because game mechanics trump lore.

 

re: Economics

It's not just the college/circle that is unclear but what happens to the chantry itself? I do not remember ever seeing that the Chantry gets tithes which in the real world was a major source of revenue so in my head canon, I always assumed that the nobles who had sons and daughters in the templars were the ones that provided support and that the chantry used those funds equally for all templars (we never actually see a rich templar - all the templars live in the circl/chantry and even the knight commander doesn't have a fancy office). No templars now, no money

 

There's also the fact that in the real world, the catholic military orders wre created/sanctioned in response to attack on pilgrims and as a reaction force/standing army against non-christian religions (indeed, the most famous ones - the Knight Templars, were created after the 1st crusade BECAUSE pilgrims to the holy land were being slaughted/robbed in the hundreds by bandits)

 

Southern Thedas isn't even as mono-theist in belief as medieval europe was - a bandit in the medieval times wasn't going to attack/rob a church or a group of missionaries since the average bandit was catholic but in Thedas were we have the carta, quanari missionaries AND  elves all of whom aren't believers of the Chant?

[SgtSteel91]

So what? Pilgrims get lumped in with merchants, farmers, everyone else attacked on the roads and are protected by local government authorities.

[ModernAcademic]

On a very basic level, the fundamental difference between the College and the Circle is that the College is 100% managed by mages.

That is to say, mages ruling over mages. Making their own laws, deciding how they should be applied, having their own hierarchy, asf.

 

And THAT is what Fenris and Dorian have warned you about from the start. Tevinter became a tyrannical magocracy when the Circles ceased to exist as they once did and mages were allowed to be their own watchers.

 

THAT is what the College is. Mages having complete freedom and deciding their fate. Unwatched.

 

 

 

 

A future with Magisters for Southern Thedas looms in the horizon, with there being few people like Vivienne to put a stop to it.

[The Baconer]

And THAT is what Fenris and Dorian have warned you about from the start. Tevinter became a tyrannical magocracy when the Circles ceased to exist as they once did and mages were allowed to be their own watchers.

 

THAT is what the College is. Mages having complete freedom and deciding their fate. Unwatched.

 

It's actually a lot more complicated than that. The office of Archon, for example, always belonged to a mage even after Hessarian's greatest reforms.

 

More accurately, it was the consequence of competing imperialist powers and the tweaking of scripture at the behest of politics.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's actually a lot more complicated than that. The office of Archon, for example, always belonged to a mage even after Hessarian's greatest reforms.

More accurately, it was the consequence of competing imperialistic powers and the tweaking of scripture at the behest of politics.

Funny how that's pretty much what happens if Vivienne becomes divine.

[Bleachrude]

So what? Pilgrims get lumped in with merchants, farmers, everyone else attacked on the roads and are protected by local government authorities.

 

What local authorities are you referring to though? In Medieval times, there isn't either a standing army or police either. Merchants hired their own guards and in medieval times, farmers were local producers so they didn't need travel protection since at most they would be journeying from their farm to town or to the local noble. If you were journeying from town to town, yeah, depending on the area of Europe, you were taking your life in your hands unless you were part of the church since even your typical highayman would think twice about robbing from the Church. This doesn't apply to carta dwarves, quanari mercernaries or dalish bandits.