If we brought 'you know who' to the temple, I mean.
When inquisitor met those sentinels, he looked so edge and worried.
Abelas said 'You stumble down our paths at the side of one of our own.'
One of our own? And let's not forget 'Elvhen such as you?' remark.
I think he even knew better what Solas was -despite not who- than he knew "what" Sera was, for example.
He has never left the Temple ever since the times Mythal was alledgedly murdered, after all. I supposed Dalish and alienage Elves would be the bigger surprise.
If Abelas was privy to the knowledge of the well, then I would assume he would know who Solas really was. Or perhaps Abelas was old enough to remember Solas from before the veil.
Plus we do not know what he truly said to Abelas.
He didn't think modern elves and he were even related. To Abelas, the Dalish inquisitor was like a bug. Or something he stepped in and wiped off his shoe with a 'disgusted noise'.
He didn't think modern elves and he were even related. To Abelas, the Dalish inquisitor was like a bug. Or something he stepped in and wiped off his shoe with a 'disgusted noise'.
He said that in Trevelyan playthrough. So I thought it's about Solas.
He said that in Trevelyan playthrough. So I thought it's about Solas.
It was probably directed to all modern people in Thedas, as Solas says something similar in Trespasser about how the Veil cutting off direct access to the Fade makes it like living in a world of Tranquil compared to how it was before.
According to the codex entries in the Temple you can translate if you drank from the Well, it reveals that Abelas is one of the few remaining Sentinels in the Temple who was born prior to the Elven Gods were sealed away. He himself comments in the codex that he even feels slightly alienated to the post-Veil Sentinels whenever he attempts to explain to them what was lost in the fall.
He didn't think modern elves and he were even related. To Abelas, the Dalish inquisitor was like a bug. Or something he stepped in and wiped off his shoe with a 'disgusted noise'.
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I think he did, because he even comments on the magic of the anchor feeling familiar to him. He might have been unable to put a name to the face, but he recognized his people through the magic he sensed.
That's why Flemeth is da real mvp.
While Solas and Abelas are elven elitists, she still considers the modern elves as part of the People.
I think the reason Flemythal considers post Veil people as people is because Mythal possessed Flemeth and that probably gives her a better idea and lets her empathize more than what Solas can.
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I think the reason Flemythal considers post Veil people as people is because Mythal possessed Flemeth and that probably gives her a better idea and lets her empathize more than what Solas can.
That's probably why he starts to see people as people if you are close friends (no matter your race or sex). He can't see through the eyes of another literally like Mythal did, but he can by being with people who help him see things differently.
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For those interested;
"We are trapped. The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep when they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been. I will teach them. They must serve. We must prepare for those who cast Mythal down. I shed my name the day I began her service. I shed my new one again, now that she rests. I will only be known by the sorrow that cuts my heart." - Codex entry: Untranslatable Elven Writing
It'd reason Abelas' mislike of the modern elves further if he saw them as the eventual fate of the sentinel elves if death does not come first. He'll slow it as much as he can but eventually it will be when there are no more elders who remembered and could teach.
He called the elf inquisitor a shemlin and not he's people.
But when Solas tells him there was a place left for him and his kind and more elves like him, he looks at Solas and goes...
"Elvanian such as as yourself?"
Yep, he know who Solas is.
That's why Flemeth is da real mvp.
While Solas and Abelas are elven elitists, she still considers the modern elves as part of the People.
Flemeth isn't technically an elf,neither she is the complete Mythal,for all we know,Mythal (the original)may share the same opinion of Abelas which is her high priest.
He said that in Trevelyan playthrough. So I thought it's about Solas.
He said it to my Dalish inquisitor a couple days ago when i did the well of sorrows portion. I think to all ancients, even modern elves are like 'non-people'.
I think Abelas didn't really look at Solas until the "elvhen such as you" remark, that's when he recognised him as Fen'Harel imo.
I think the reason Flemythal considers post Veil people as people is because Mythal possessed Flemeth and that probably gives her a better idea and lets her empathize more than what Solas can.
There's a huge difference in how long they've been in the world too, for Flemythal it's been centuries but for Solas only a year while the sentinels just hide away in the Arbour Wilds waiting for Mythal's orders.
I'm really surprised Solas has been awake for such a short time, he really didn't give the modern world much of a shot before deciding to destroy it.
Abelas definitely did not regard my Dalish as being one of his People. He said it most emphatically. I also picked up on the fact that he acknowledged Solas as one of his own. Naturally I wanted to ask Solas about this on return to Skyhold but as usual the writers made the Inquisitor stupid and didn't even mention it. Solas would probably just hedged around the question like he normally does but I'd have liked it acknowledged that I at least tried to get an answer from him.
Since we can't speak proper elven (even a Dalish can't) and it was before the option of drinking from the Well, we do not know exactly what Solas said Abelas but have to take his word for it, which doesn't amount to much now. His name does mean Sorrow though.
Since Fen'Harel was known for removing vallaslin from his followers faces, Abelas must have recognised that Solas was at least a follower of Fen'Harel even if he didn't know he was the Dread Wolf himself.
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Abelas definitely did not regard my Dalish as being one of his People. He said it most emphatically. I also picked up on the fact that he acknowledged Solas as one of his own. Naturally I wanted to ask Solas about this on return to Skyhold but as usual the writers made the Inquisitor stupid and didn't even mention it. Solas would probably just hedged around the question like he normally does but I'd have liked it acknowledged that I at least tried to get an answer from him.
Since we can't speak proper elven (even a Dalish can't) and it was before the option of drinking from the Well, we do not know exactly what Solas said Abelas but have to take his word for it, which doesn't amount to much now. His name does mean Sorrow though.
Since Fen'Harel was known for removing vallaslin from his followers faces, Abelas must have recognised that Solas was at least a follower of Fen'Harel even if he didn't know he was the Dread Wolf himself.
It seems a Dalish Inquisitor is unusual from other Dalish. Not only do they study and communicate with humans, but Cole points out that they struggle to speak the language of their parents, meaning they are like the black sheep of the clan.
but Cole points out that they struggle to speak the language of their parents, meaning they are like the black sheep of the clan.
Do you have a quote of this?
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Do you have a quote of this?
I'll have to look around, but if you play a Dalish Elf and ask Cole what he sees in you, he speaks of it.
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That's why Flemeth is da real mvp.
While Solas and Abelas are elven elitists, she still considers the modern elves as part of the People.
I think the reason Flemythal considers post Veil people as people is because Mythal possessed Flemeth and that probably gives her a better idea and lets her empathize more than what Solas can.
In Trespasser, Solas shows that the year he spent with the Inquisitor changed his concept about the people living in the present. Once, he thought thedosians were nothing but strangers, Tranquils, in his own words. Now, the very idea of letting the world burn in the raw chaos causes him some remorse and he no longer contemplates his plan with the same ease that he once did.
If Solas would only spend enough more time around modern day thedosians, he might've developed the same empathy that Mythal did.
Maybe there's hope for it in DA 4. Maybe living and teaching the elves that decide to follow him about Arlathan and the past will make them grow on him. And then, perhaps the Inquisitor will be able to change his mind in the very end, before he makes his final decision.
For those interested;
"We are trapped. The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep when they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been. I will teach them. They must serve. We must prepare for those who cast Mythal down. I shed my name the day I began her service. I shed my new one again, now that she rests. I will only be known by the sorrow that cuts my heart." - Codex entry: Untranslatable Elven Writing
Lots of foreshadowing there. Could that mean there's the chance the Evanuris responsible for her murder will one day break free from their prison?
And once free, would they hunt down the sentinels and other elvhen such as them and bring doom upon the world?
I wish Bioware would work on this plot in DA 4. Inquisition raised more questions than provided answers. /sigh
I always interpreted this brief dialogue between Abelas and Solas as confirmation that Abelas had (at least an inkling) of who Solas is//the type of Elf Solas is.
1:54 - 2:04
Notice the specific way he says "Elven such as you ?" I always believe that to be unofficial confirmation that Abelas sensed that Solas is one of the immortal Elves who's mind and body is not sundered by the Veil and predates the banishment of the Evanuris.
He never says any such thing to Sera or a Dalish Inquisitor.
Think about it, you could have up to 3 different Elven perspectives within that conversation with Abelas. Lavellan, a Dalish Elf whose blood claims to take root into the Ancient Elves. Sera, a modern Elf. Solas, one of the ancient Elves. All of them Elves and Abelas recognizes that, but only to Solas does he specifically infer about the type of Elf he is.
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Thank you but I believe that line may be connected to your specialization and the mark since there seems to be different variations of the dialogue. This was the one Cole spoke to my Rift Inquisitor;
"You're too bright. Like counting birds against the sun. The mark makes you more. But past it... you reach across, mindful, meaning. You pull it through to this side, make it real here. And past that, the weight of all on you. All the hopes you carry, fears you fight. You are theirs."
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Thank you but I believe that line may be connected to your specialization and the mark since there seems to be different variations of the dialogue. This was the one Cole spoke to my Rift Inquisitor;
"You're too bright. Like counting birds against the sun. The mark makes you more. But past it... you reach across, mindful, meaning. You pull it through to this side, make it real here. And past that, the weight of all on you. All the hopes you carry, fears you fight. You are theirs."
He has special dialogue for an actual Rift Mage. Says it reminds him of himself and he likes it. I was not one when I first talked to him at Skyhold. I had no specialization. I was just an elf. As a human I got the one you posted. Could be approval related too. I know if you make him human and ask about your companions, he tells you how Varric lied about his crossbow. Before that, he talks of Varric fondly.
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