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[In Exile]

It was probably directed to all modern people in Thedas, as Solas says something similar in Trespasser about how the Veil cutting off direct access to the Fade makes it like living in a world of Tranquil compared to how it was before.

 

According to the codex entries in the Temple you can translate if you drank from the Well, it reveals that Abelas is one of the few remaining Sentinels in the Temple who was born prior to the Elven Gods were sealed away. He himself comments in the codex that he even feels slightly alienated to the post-Veil Sentinels whenever he attempts to explain to them what was lost in the fall.

 

That particular Codex isn't about the Veil, it's about the death of Mythal. You're right that Abelas is almost certainly an "old" elvhen, i.e., someone who lived before the Veil, but that codex isn't proof. 

[In Exile]

I'll have to look around, but if you play a Dalish Elf and ask Cole what he sees in you, he speaks of it.

 

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That's metaphorical. He's hinting at what it you lost because of the Veil. "Language of your parents" isn't literally a reference to language - it's an allusion to something (e.g. magic, or another part of the old "elvhen" nature). That's why he says "blood that is not blood". 

[Qun00]

It also isn't literally a reference to the Dalish Inquisitor's parents.

[MrMrPendragon]

 

If Solas would only spend enough more time around modern day thedosians, he might've developed the same empathy that Mythal did.

 

 

Not if Solas heads to Tevinter, where most of the elves are slaves. He hates slavery, and this is slavery of the elves - so that might make him even more furious with Thedas.

[Beomer]

Not if Solas heads to Tevinter, where most of the elves are slaves. He hates slavery, and this is slavery of the elves - so that might make him even more furious with Thedas.

 

And then maybe the Tevinter protagonist of the next game can beat some sense into him.

The next game really needs to do justice to the Tevinter magisters and not show them as twerps being stomped on by Solas. We've been hearing about them throughout the games. Till now they were the epitome of evil who caused all that is wrong in the world. Now it turns out most of it was done by elves and dwarves. high time that the knife ears get their comeuppance. 

But seriously I've been reading the bit in World of Thedas Vol 2 about how the Archon of Tevinter faces off against all the seven priests of the Old Gods after they get tainted and that man sounds badass. So it's not as if the Tevenes are all noise and no substance (looking at you Venetori). Really hope they actually show it by making a pure magic build really amazing in DA4.

[Daerog]

And then maybe the Tevinter protagonist of the next game can beat some sense into him.

The next game really needs to do justice to the Tevinter magisters and not show them as twerps being stomped on by Solas. We've been hearing about them throughout the games. Till now they were the epitome of evil who caused all that is wrong in the world. Now it turns out most of it was done by elves and dwarves. high time that the knife ears get their comeuppance. 

But seriously I've been reading the bit in World of Thedas Vol 2 about how the Archon of Tevinter faces off against all the seven priests of the Old Gods after they get tainted and that man sounds badass. So it's not as if the Tevenes are all noise and no substance (looking at you Venetori). Really hope they actually show it by making a pure magic build really amazing in DA4.

 

Archon Hessarian? Ya, he's alright.

 

His house was in ruins when he was young, rose in power to become the Archon, possibly faced off against the Seven and won, held Tevinter together during the First Blight, led Tevinter against the armies of the Maker, slew the Maker's prophet, pulled a major social upheaval by slaying the elite Altus houses and changed the state religion while rearranging social institutions, and during all this he remained Archon and kept Tevinter together to lead it from its darkest period to a new Golden Age. He is now an Anointed (saint) in both Chantries.

 

But, y'know, he was just another name in the history books of Thedas.

 

Still, there are many magisters we've been introduced to with varying opinions and beliefs, from the codex entries, comics, and in game references.

 

I'm hoping to meet the (Black) Divine. A guy who publicly assassinates a magister at a party, leaves before the victim's friends rally, and remains the spiritual leader of the Imperium sounds like a charming fellow.

[BraveVesperia]

I'm pretty sure Abelas said that "you came here with one of the elvhen" to my Trevelyan... who had Sera in the party. He also says something to her later. I think it was about whether modern elves would listen to him? I think her response was irritated fart noises.

[almasy87]

I just checked all the options on youtube
If you are Dalish, he tells you "You have the features of those who call themselves Elvhen" and does not mention other party members.
If you are not Dalish, there are 3 possibilities:
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas alone.  
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas and Sera (but he's only talking about Solas).
- he says "You stumble down our path alongside Elvhen" if you only have Sera.

So.. Solas is recognized as "one of their own" but Sera and a Dalish Inquisitor are just "people who call themselves/resemble Elvhen.

Makes sense. 
 

Then later, he says "Elvhen such as you?" which I read as "People who look like Elvhen but are instead like you"(special)? Basically he is telling him he has the features of an Elvhen but he can sense there is something more. 
But I don't think he can sense he is Fen'Harel. I think he would have had a bigger reaction if that was the case, or at least said something else.

Cause he just goes silent after (although it can just be that the writers decided to leave it as it is).. but if you were Abelas and saw Fen'Harel, you wouldn't just say "Such as you?" and then make no further comment whatsoever after and just shut up and not even talk to him..?

Anyway Solas just hinted to him that there are places where his people yet linger.. Which is probably part of Solas' plan and I wouldn't be surprised if he had just subtly recruited him in Elvhen

[ollyollyoxenfree]

I just checked all the options on youtube
If you are Dalish, he tells you "You have the features of those who call themselves Elvhen" and does not mention other party members.
If you are not Dalish, there are 3 possibilities:
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas alone.  
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas and Sera (but he's only talking about Solas).
- he says "You stumble down our path alongside Elvhen" if you only have Sera.

 

I never take Sera to the temple because she's such a snot about it so never noticed that difference in lines. It's amazing how many little bits of foreshadowing I missed despite having played this game many, many times. Some of it is so subtle you really need to be paying attention to exact wording and tone of voice. The writers and voice actors did a great job. 

[ModernAcademic]

When Abelas refers to Solas as being one of their own, maybe he's referring to Solas' ability to be connected to the Fade, something the Elvhen lost and that modern day elves no longer have.

 

Such ability is possessed by Kieran as well, I believe, since he can see "what is in the Inquisitor's hand", even though your Inquisitor as a mage cannot.

[Mr.House]

Personally, I think Solas recruited Abelas. What Solas tells us and what he said do not match up at all.

[almasy87]

I never take Sera to the temple because she's such a snot about it so never noticed that difference in lines. It's amazing how many little bits of foreshadowing I missed despite having played this game many, many times. Some of it is so subtle you really need to be paying attention to exact wording and tone of voice. The writers and voice actors did a great job.

Oh me neither, I hate Sera :-P that's why I went to check on YouTube because I never noticed that difference with her :-P

[Stakrin]

I'm sure he knew. I hope he isn't a problem in da4

[Big I]

He has special dialogue for an actual Rift Mage. Says it reminds him of himself and he likes it.

 

That's just Cole reacting to your spec, like Varric does if you become an Artificier or Leliana does if you go Assassin. Cole will also mention if you choose Necromancer, and won't be happy about it. It has nothing to do with the "how do you think?" dialogue.

[Wulfram]

That particular Codex isn't about the Veil, it's about the death of Mythal. You're right that Abelas is almost certainly an "old" elvhen, i.e., someone who lived before the Veil, but that codex isn't proof.

Mythal died before the Veil was created, so if Abelas remembers when she was alive, he is from before the veil.

Also, the reference to being trapped seems like a reference to the creation of the veil. The death of Mythal was Solas' final straw, after all.

[myahele]

I wonder if Solas freeing slaves/removing vallaslin came after Mythal's death?

[BraveVesperia]

I just checked all the options on youtube
If you are Dalish, he tells you "You have the features of those who call themselves Elvhen" and does not mention other party members.
If you are not Dalish, there are 3 possibilities:
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas alone.  
- he says "You stumble down our path at the side of one of our own" If you have Solas and Sera (but he's only talking about Solas).
- he says "You stumble down our path alongside Elvhen" if you only have Sera.

So.. Solas is recognized as "one of their own" but Sera and a Dalish Inquisitor are just "people who call themselves/resemble Elvhen.

Makes sense. 
 

Then later, he says "Elvhen such as you?" which I read as "People who look like Elvhen but are instead like you"(special)? Basically he is telling him he has the features of an Elvhen but he can sense there is something more. 
But I don't think he can sense he is Fen'Harel. I think he would have had a bigger reaction if that was the case, or at least said something else.

Cause he just goes silent after (although it can just be that the writers decided to leave it as it is).. but if you were Abelas and saw Fen'Harel, you wouldn't just say "Such as you?" and then make no further comment whatsoever after and just shut up and not even talk to him..?

Anyway Solas just hinted to him that there are places where his people yet linger.. Which is probably part of Solas' plan and I wouldn't be surprised if he had just subtly recruited him in Elvhen

Ooh, that's interesting! So maybe he recognises Solas as an ancient elf, but not as Fen Harel.

[In Exile]

Mythal died before the Veil was created, so if Abelas remembers when she was alive, he is from before the veil.

Also, the reference to being trapped seems like a reference to the creation of the veil. The death of Mythal was Solas' final straw, after all.

 

It's all a reference to the loss of Mythal. Most of the codex doesn't make sense if it's about the Veil. It's all about religious observance. And talking about the other gods, as if they're still there, doesn't make sense either. The elves did know the left, or so the other lore suggests. 

 

Abelas means Sorrow, and the Well of Sorrows is meant to represent the lamentations of the priesthood of Mythal at her loss. None of it makes sense, thematically, if he's talking about the Veil. 

[sylvanaerie]

I think Abelas didn't really look at Solas until the "elvhen such as you" remark, that's when he recognised him as Fen'Harel imo.

 

 

There's a huge difference in how long they've been in the world too, for Flemythal it's been centuries but for Solas only a year while the sentinels just hide away in the Arbour Wilds waiting for Mythal's orders. 

 

I'm really surprised Solas has been awake for such a short time, he really didn't give the modern world much of a shot before deciding to destroy it. 

 

I'm thinking this may be why Flemethal gave him the spirit at the end of Inquisition (base).  Either to give him the power to do what he needs to do, or to learn what she has after all those centuries inside a mortal woman.  Solas said she was the best of them, always protected the People.  Maybe she's still trying after all these years.  

A Dalish will tell Flemeth when encountering her in the Fade that legends speak of Ashabellanar helping heroes throughout history.  Flemeth downplays it as 'giving history a nudge sometimes'.  But it fits.  In Origins, she helps the warden, in DA2, she helps Hawke.  Frankly, I was grateful her role was much smaller in Inquisition.  I love Kate Mulgrew/Flemeth but if we had that trope every game it would have gotten really old really fast.

[Aren]

I think Abelas didn't really look at Solas until the "elvhen such as you" remark, that's when he recognised him as Fen'Harel imo.

 

 

 

As a matter o fact i will not be surprised to see Ablas with Solas,they are both Altmer elves,something which Mythal isn't anymore..

[Gervaise]

Lavellan is not a black sheep for being unable to speak elven fluently; the parents that Cole speaks of are the ancestors.   All Dalish struggle to speak the full language of the forebears.  This point is made in WoT2 when discussing Solas.  Leliana comments that "I have heard elves in the alienage speak a few remembered words.   I have heard Dalish Keepers recite passages from texts passed down for generations.    Solas spoke like neither of them.   He spoke the language perfectly, with an accent I have never been able to place."  This is why to Cole, Lavellan's efforts to speak elven sound tongue tied and awkward.

 

Dalish clans also vary in their attitude to humans.   Some are openly hostile, like the clan in Masked Empire.    Others are more willing to have dealings with them, if only to trade for things they cannot make or hunt for themselves.    In Origins if you play a Dalish Warden we are told that our father was the Keeper of the clan and had advocated studying humans and trying to learn from them, for which other clans held him in contempt but the weapon maker in the clan we recruit tells us this and says father would be proud of our efforts in the Wardens.     So even though Zathrian hates the humans who killed his children, and their descendants, it would seem his clan are not totally prejudiced against them and of course they do end up honouring the Warden treaties (unless you kill them).    Among the agents of the Inquisition are two members of the Ralaferin clan.   This is the clan of Gisharel, who we so often here quoted about elven lore.    He had advocated sharing Dalish lore with human scholars, so that humans would come to respect them.   Unfortunately, we are told that other isolationist clans despised him for this but his clan continued his work after his death.    So whilst Lavellan might seem a black sheep to some Dalish clans, that would not apply to them all. 

[Klinker1234]

And then maybe the Tevinter protagonist of the next game can beat some sense into him.

The next game really needs to do justice to the Tevinter magisters and not show them as twerps being stomped on by Solas. We've been hearing about them throughout the games. Till now they were the epitome of evil who caused all that is wrong in the world. Now it turns out most of it was done by elves and dwarves. high time that the knife ears get their comeuppance. 

But seriously I've been reading the bit in World of Thedas Vol 2 about how the Archon of Tevinter faces off against all the seven priests of the Old Gods after they get tainted and that man sounds badass. So it's not as if the Tevenes are all noise and no substance (looking at you Venetori). Really hope they actually show it by making a pure magic build really amazing in DA4.

 

Indeed I really hope that a Human mage has the backstory/origin of being a scion of a Tevinter Magister family. Also I will continue to point out that in order to take down an elven messiah, we need the moustache twirling villainy of the Tevinter Magisters! They may not be the protagonists we deserve, but they are the ones we need right now!

 

Also think of the possibilities of digging around in the forgotten parts of Minrathous. Think of the dirty Tevinter blood magic stuff that could be utilized in the fight against Solas network. Blood magic artifacts used to mind read suspected Solas sympathizers for example.

 

When the Inquisitor, at the end of Trespasser, talks of recruiting agents untoched by Solas. First thought in my head was "who is most unlikely to side with a elven messiah?", the answer, Tevinter Magisters. They may not nice, but hey at least the magisters aren't trying to blow up the world...... right now.

[TeffexPope]

That's why Flemeth is da real mvp.

While Solas and Abelas are elven elitists, she still considers the modern elves as part of the People.

Morrigan: Ma, you da rill MVP!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've often suspected that he did know, yes.