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[spinachdiaper]

So maybe the reason the Milky Way is going under is that Javik fixed those Collectors and the New Protheans are kicking everybody out.

[Panda]

I doubt Javik has that much power, knowledge etc.

[Remix-General Aetius]

there's nothing left to fix, Einstein. their interior has been completely purged and redesigned. the only thing even remotely related to Protheans is their exterior. that's why the Awakened Collector in MP makes no sense whatsoever.

[snackrat]

Awakened Collector isn't a Prothean though, not really. It's being controlled by a Leviathan, as per their agreement to help fight (since the Reapers had discovered them).

So yes, it makes sense.

 

As for Javik:

1: He is a soldier. Specifically a Vengeance avatar. He wouldn't have the slightest clue how to do anything like that.

2: The Collectors are not Prothean and have not been Prothean for millennia.

3: Javik can end his life, depending on actions taken (to 'join his people where he belongs' or something like that). So it would require canonisation.

4: Andromeda is set concurrent to the trilogy, not after. Javik likely hasn't even been recovered yet.

[B.Shep]

Just some corrections:

 

4: Andromeda is set concurrent to the trilogy, not after. Javik likely hasn't even been recovered yet.

While we aren’t ready to go into too many details just yet, as you saw in the trailer and can tell by the name, this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy.

source: http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

Also Awakened Collectors aren't controlled by the Leviathans, they are the ones who survived(and gained free will) when the Leviathans cut Harbinger's signal.

 

 

That being said, i find your hypothesis very unlikely spinachdiaper.

[Sanunes]

It doesn't make sense to me about how BioWare designed Javik and presented him in the game, to me this would be on par of what happens with Anders in Dragon Age II and that is still a sore spot with people.  Another problem is how the community reacted to Javik in the first place, he was called a piece of "mandatory DLC" and other comments along those lines and giving him this kind of role in the game would re-ignite those comments and feelings.

[capn233]

It wouldn't make sense for his character.

[BraveVesperia]

But he's King of the Hanar right now, he doesn't need to do that.

[SardaukarElite]

But he's King of the Hanar right now, he doesn't need to do that.

 

There has to be a spin off musical in that.

[Remix-General Aetius]

how the community reacted to Javik in the first place, he was called a piece of "mandatory DLC"

 

You're wrong. Throw it out the airlock.

[Mdizzletr0n]

Awakened Collector isn't a Prothean though, not really. It's being controlled by a Leviathan, as per their agreement to help fight (since the Reapers had discovered them).
So yes, it makes sense.
 
As for Javik:
1: He is a soldier. Specifically a Vengeance avatar. He wouldn't have the slightest clue how to do anything like that.
2: The Collectors are not Prothean and have not been Prothean for millennia.
3: Javik can end his life, depending on actions taken (to 'join his people where he belongs' or something like that). So it would require canonisation.
4: Andromeda is set concurrent to the trilogy, not after. Javik likely hasn't even been recovered yet.

Could've sworn BW said it takes place a good amount of time after the trilogy.

[Former_Fiend]

The real reason is that the Leviathans took over.

 

We've all been indoctrinated by them.

 

This is a military invasion of Andromeda to expand their empire to a whole new galaxy.

[B.Shep]

Could've sworn BW said it takes place a good amount of time after the trilogy.

They did as i talked a few posts above

 

[jstme]

The only reason we are jumping galaxy is because people at Bioware that are currently responsible for ME:A are not interested in another ME game in old settings due to their own reasons.

Javik ,Liara, Biotic God and even Boo have nothing to do with those reasons,i assure you.

Also, Javik and Solas are different characters with different background, mindset and motivation.

Solas is a philosophic rebel looking for justice and helping the masses against the oppressors, Javik is a loyal high ranking military officer of a powerful authoritarian civilization that is loosing in an extermination war.

Javik is motivated by revenge on reapers,Solas feels he needs to fix the horrible tragedy he caused himself.

You cant place Javik in Solas boots and vice versa. Most probable thing for Javik to do if reapers are defeated is to commit suicide.  

[Broganisity]

No.

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On the topic of the Awakened Collectors (henceforth referred to just as 'The Awakened'), they are described as 'fighting for what they have lost'. This means multiple things:

1) They are all apparently Avatars of Vengeance. Either this is an oversight, a technical carry-over from the Single-Player, or there are more than one Avatar for each aspect of Prothean Society, but each Avatar can only be of one aspect. . .?

2) Mordin states that the Collectors have 'no souls. Replaced by tech'. Mordin is also known to make, and admit to making, mistakes.

3) The Collectors are genetically tampered, cybernetic, vat-grown clones.

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If the Awakened recall their Prothean roots, then their survival of being severed to the Reapers can be explained as their being amongst the 'original copies' of the Collector breed of Reaper Thralls, and thus not subject to such heavy tampering and augmentation to the point of reliance on the Reapers existence. You'll note that, ignore coloring possibilities, that the Awakened have a distinct body difference between the standard Collector Troopers and the Collector Captains. Whether this means anything is unknown but could be an indicater of something.

However, it is doubted that the Awakened would survive long after the events of the Reaper War, if at all, because they have no way to properly nouish or tend to themselves and likely required cry-freezing for long-term preservation or Reaper-overseen repair to keep their twisted bodies going. Not only this, but they would be destroyed in the, well, Destroy ending as they are made up of far more Reaper than a modified Geth or EDI. . .of course, none of this applies to Synthesis, as they are probably at the synthetic bonfire singing a synthesised round of Kumbya.

[snackrat]

Just some corrections:

 

4: Andromeda is set concurrent to the trilogy, not after. Javik likely hasn't even been recovered yet.

 

Also Awakened Collectors aren't controlled by the Leviathans, they are the ones who survived(and gained free will) when the Leviathans cut Harbinger's signal.

 

 

That being said, i find your hypothesis very unlikely spinachdiaper.

 

After? That would automatically have to force an ending though - namely, one of the original trio. Those who sacrificed the galaxy for the sake of the alternate ending can't be happy.

I'll accept that explanation though, seeing as you provided a link.

[spinachdiaper]

Javik is a normal Prothean with unaltered DNA that can act as a template to fill in and augment Collectors back to a more Prothean state... Also SPACE MAGIC!

[Feybrad]

Whatever.

[Laughing_Man]

No.

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On the topic of the Awakened Collectors (henceforth referred to just as 'The Awakened'), they are described as 'fighting for what they have lost'. This means multiple things:

1) They are all apparently Avatars of Vengeance. Either this is an oversight, a technical carry-over from the Single-Player, or there are more than one Avatar for each aspect of Prothean Society, but each Avatar can only be of one aspect. . .?

2) Mordin states that the Collectors have 'no souls. Replaced by tech'. Mordin is also known to make, and admit to making, mistakes.

3) The Collectors are genetically tampered, cybernetic, vat-grown clones.

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If the Awakened recall their Prothean roots, then their survival of being severed to the Reapers can be explained as their being amongst the 'original copies' of the Collector breed of Reaper Thralls, and thus not subject to such heavy tampering and augmentation to the point of reliance on the Reapers existence. You'll note that, ignore coloring possibilities, that the Awakened have a distinct body difference between the standard Collector Troopers and the Collector Captains. Whether this means anything is unknown but could be an indicater of something.

However, it is doubted that the Awakened would survive long after the events of the Reaper War, if at all, because they have no way to properly nouish or tend to themselves and likely required cry-freezing for long-term preservation or Reaper-overseen repair to keep their twisted bodies going. Not only this, but they would be destroyed in the, well, Destroy ending as they are made up of far more Reaper than a modified Geth or EDI. . .of course, none of this applies to Synthesis, as they are probably at the synthetic bonfire singing a synthesised round of Kumbya.

 

The "Awakend" are a good example to how little regard Bioware has for its own lore.

 

They make no sense, and exist only for the multiplayer. (consider how long this chain of cloning existed and how deep and integral the Reaper tech is in their husks)

 

The whole "Avatar" thing is not literal, the protheans didn't have magic,

couldn't possess others, and certainly didn't produce living embodiments of specific ideas.

 

Javik is the "avatar of vengeance" because that's his original job, and that's the only thing he has left.

[Capt_Kangaroo]

Javik would of just shot them, the only thing he was good at was killing. He told us that himself.

 

Cheers

[Dantriges]

of course, none of this applies to Synthesis, as they are probably at the synthetic bonfire singing a synthesised round of Kumbya.

 

Considering that leaves have circuits, wood would have, too, so you are really burning cybernetic wood.

[DarthSliver]

The only reason we are jumping galaxy is because people at Bioware that are currently responsible for ME:A are not interested in another ME game in old settings due to their own reasons.

Javik ,Liara, Biotic God and even Boo have nothing to do with those reasons,i assure you.

Also, Javik and Solas are different characters with different background, mindset and motivation.

Solas is a philosophic rebel looking for justice and helping the masses against the oppressors, Javik is a loyal high ranking military officer of a powerful authoritarian civilization that is loosing in an extermination war.

Javik is motivated by revenge on reapers,Solas feels he needs to fix the horrible tragedy he caused himself.

You cant place Javik in Solas boots and vice versa. Most probable thing for Javik to do if reapers are defeated is to commit suicide.  

 

come on we all know the reason for Andromeda is because of the ME3 ending mess that there is. I seen an interview on ME and Casey Hudson said that ME series was a start of a Bioware universe like Star Wars that Bioware controlled, its in one of the many interviews that they did with IGN, I think it was, before ME3 released. They are jumping galaxies because the original team is unwilling to admit their mistakes and fix the endings for "Artist integrity"

[SwobyJ]

The real reason is that the Leviathans took over.

 

We've all been indoctrinated by them.

 

This is a military invasion of Andromeda to expand their empire to a whole new galaxy.

 

Badass!

 

Anyway, I'll accept Neo Prothians. As long as the story make clear that this isn't the old Prothians (aka their replication is not exact, they have some differences), I'm 100% fine with that.

[SolNebula]

Why he would want that? After the Reaper war he can live like a true VIP. The only living Prothean in the galaxy....just imagine the royalties from books, games, films and all the publicity he gets. Not to mention he could live with the Hanar and be treated like a God..... way better than the coming Empire if you ask me.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

Solas will bore you like politician with his speeches until you say "Yes Solas you are right" and the he will disapprove of you because Solas always disapproves and then you punch him and then Solas disapproves again and then you repeat the process of punching Solas,Javik on another hand won't bother with any of that he will simply throw you out of the airlock.For short Solas likes to bs a lot and Javik likes to throw things out of airlock.

So,nah Solas and Javik don't have thing in common(except being older then anyone in game lol).