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[Drasca]

I like Reaver. My goal was to try to get the most Damage possible per Strike. So far I was 25K on a commander for each claw. I wanna beat that but I am only playing for events next

 

Pfffft. If I cared about the maximum damage per strike, I'd have a Lego do TTD on an enemy for me and run around for 10 minutes or more. i.e. GET BACK ON YOUR LEGO!

 

PS: What're you playing now a days?  I'm on my third playthrough of FO4 this time doing no power armor + melee. Next playthrough will be fisticuffs (unarmed) + revolvers. Also need no stinkin power armor.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Pfffft. If I cared about the maximum damage per strike, I'd have a Lego do TTD on an enemy for me and run around for 10 minutes or more. i.e. GET BACK ON YOUR LEGO!

PS: What're you playing now a days? I'm on my third playthrough of FO4 this time doing no power armor + melee. Next playthrough will be fisticuffs (unarmed) + revolvers. Also need no stinkin power armor.

I meant solo Damage with no outside help.

I'm not really playing anything right now. I am planning another PC build then I am gonna start gaming again but not as hard. I might try out ESO and Battlefront on it. Going for that 4K resolution

[Drasca]

I meant solo Damage with no outside help.

I'm not really playing anything right now. I am planning another PC build then I am gonna start gaming again but not as hard. I might try out ESO and Battlefront on it. Going for that 4K resolution

 

^ Said after the fact. Regardless, my statement remains true. If I cared... I would do it that way. I don't, obviously.

 

No other games? Pooooooo. I really don't care about 4k Resolution unless I'm going to do photography work. TBH I'd rather have more refresh rate if I cared about FPS's (more fps refresh rate makes some things a loooot smoother, either 120 hz or 144 hz). . . but I personally prefer color reproduction in glorious Pro Art displays. . . and no you can't have it all with the current tech available.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

^ Said after the fact. Regardless, my statement remains true. If I cared... I would do it that way. I don't, obviously.

No other games? Pooooooo. I really don't care about 4k Resolution unless I'm going to do photography work. TBH I'd rather have more refresh rate if I cared about FPS's (more fps refresh rate makes some things a loooot smoother, either 120 hz or 144 hz). . . but I personally prefer color reproduction in glorious Pro Art displays. . . and no you can't have it all with the current tech available.

I am a graphics ****** lol. I want that 4K resolution. I have a nice PC build planned out on pcpartpicker just need to order the parts and put it together when I get the money. It will be a strong PC, I'll be able to do alot on it

[Drasca]

I am a graphics ****** lol. I want that 4K resolution. I have a nice PC build planned out on pcpartpicker just need to order the parts and put it together when I get the money. It will be a strong PC, I'll be able to do alot on it

 

Me too, but I know exactly what you have to sacrifice. You prefer pure resolution. That's fine and dandy. I like high res too. . . but I also like higher than 60 fps frame rate for anything I play with a lot of motion (duuuude you have to try it one day). High end displays are my favorite kind of eye-candy.

 

I don't do builds until I have the money because the parts shift in price, and new parts come out. . . or I do new builds every month. Want to go ahead and link what you'll be getting or not?

 

Also, Dragon Rage rage rage. That makes this post Reaver relevant. RAGE.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Me too, but I know exactly what you have to sacrifice. You prefer pure resolution. That's fine and dandy. I like high res too. . . but I also like higher than 60 fps frame rate for anything I play with a lot of motion (duuuude you have to try it one day). High end displays are my favorite kind of eye-candy.

I don't do builds until I have the money because the parts shift in price, and new parts come out. . . or I do new builds every month. Want to go ahead and link what you'll be getting or not?

Also, Dragon Rage rage rage. That makes this post Reaver relevant. RAGE.

This is what I got so far, will be making adjustments as I find flaws: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NQrL3CC
The components, such as RAM and other things, are just there as place holders to show the quantity of the stuff. I have other places to buy that stuff obviously, just there to show what my end game is.

And Reaver is horrible wity out Dragon Rage. I tried a DR-less build...it sucked..alot

[Proto]

You really should try out RoP in place of one of those abilities. It works best when you redline as well.

 

Hmm...

 

Updated with Ring of Pain as an optional ability. Thank you Drasca for pointing it out. I tried it and, despite Snakebite's claim, it worked for me and doubled my Dragon Rage damage per hit. Will definitely be using it more in the future!

 

(not exactly double, that is an exaggeration lol, not always consistent either) 

 

BSN's Scrub Lord strikes again.

 

 

RoP is health based damage increase just like DR is, so its actually hard to keep track unless you're extremely diligent about your scientific method-- which most people don't even know exist.

 

Drasca, your troll game is catching up to Porky's.

 

Ring of Pain:

 

Spoiler

Costs 10 stamina to activate and 5.1% of max stamina per second to sustain.
Damage dealt by Ring of Pain counts as DoT. Therefore it ticks every 2 seconds, ticks cannot be critical hits and do not benefit from flanking. Each tick deals 15% weapon damage.
Damage bonus from missing health is 1.25% per 1% missing health and is added as a flat value to damage_multiplier. This bonus only affects the DoT damage from Ring of Pain.
[Mistake/Bug - Patch 5] In-game description incorrectly lists damage bonus from missing health as 1% per 1% missing health.
[Bug - Patch 5] While active, reduces health cost of Dragon Rage to 4% max health per attack even without the Torrent of Pain upgrade.
[Bug - Patch 5] While active, reduces stamina cost of Devour by 15 stamina even without the Torrent of Pain upgrade.
[Bug - Patch 5] While active, reduces cooldown of Devour by 4 seconds even without the Torrent of Pain upgrade.

While active, Ring of Pain grants a flat +50% to Dragon Rage's damage_multiplier value (all 3 attacks).

 

Added Ring of Pain to my previous damage demonstration, just for giggles.

 

 

damage_multiplier = Dragon Rage Upgrade, Ravage + Flat% Bonus + Blood Frenzy Bonus

 

damage_multiplier @ Full Health =  0.50 + 0.50 = 1.0

damage_multiplier @ 75% Health, 1st Attack = 0.50 + 0.25 + 0.10 + 0.50 = 1.35
damage_multiplier @ 50% Health, 1st Attack = 0.50 + 0.50 + 0.25 + 0.50 = 1.75
damage_multiplier @ 25% Health, 1st Attack = 0.50 + 0.75 + 0.35 + 0.50 = 2.10

damage_multiplier @ 75% Health, 2nd Attack = 0.50 + 0.50 + 0.10 + 0.50 = 1.60
damage_multiplier @ 50% Health, 2nd Attack = 0.50 + 1.00 + 0.25 + 0.50 = 2.25
damage_multiplier @ 25% Health, 2nd Attack = 0.50 + 1.50 + 0.35 + 0.50 = 2.85

damage_multiplier @ 75% Health, 3rd Attack = 0.50 + 0.75 + 0.10 + 0.50 = 1.85
damage_multiplier @ 50% Health, 3rd Attack = 0.50 + 1.50 + 0.25 + 0.50 = 2.75
damage_multiplier @ 25% Health, 3rd Attack = 0.50 + 2.25 + 0.35 + 0.50 = 3.60
 
Damage Results:

 

Enemy Armor = 150                                                                                          Enemy Armor = 150   
Armor Pen = 27%                                                                                              Armor Pen = 0%   
Attack = 0%                                                                                                        Attack = 16%   
       
                    1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)                                                                1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           3564         3564           3564                                                          100%          3035         3035          3035
75%             3987         4289           4591                                                           75%           3376         3620          3864
50%             4471         5075           5679                                                           50%           3767         4255          4742
25%             4895         5780           6706                                                           25%           4109         4840          5572

 

 

Enemy Armor = 100                                                                                          Enemy Armor = 100   
Armor Pen = 27%                                                                                              Armor Pen = 0%   
Attack = 0%                                                                                                        Attack = 16%   
       
                    1st Hit       2nd Hit        3rd Hit (X2)                                                                1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           4182         4182            4182                                                          100%          3927         3927          3927
75%             4679         5033            5388                                                          75%            4370         4685          5001
50%             5246         5955            6664                                                          50%            4874         5506          6137
25%             5742         6805            7869                                                          25%            5316         6263          8850

 

 

Enemy Armor = 50                                                                                           Enemy Armor = 50   
Armor Pen = 27%                                                                                             Armor Pen = 0%   
Attack = 0%                                                                                                       Attack = 16%   
       
                    1st Hit       2nd Hit         3rd Hit (X2)                                                               1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           4800         4800             4800                                                        100%           4820         4820          4820
75%             5370         5777             6184                                                        75%             5362         5750          6137
50%             6021         6835             7648                                                        50%             5982         6757          7532
25%             6590         7811             9031                                                        25%             6525         7687          8850

 

Enemy Armor = 0                                                                                            Enemy Armor = 0   
Armor Pen = 27%                                                                                            Armor Pen = 0%   
Attack = 0%                                                                                                      Attack = 16%   
       
                    1st Hit       2nd Hit          3rd Hit (X2)                                                              1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           5420         5420             5420                                                       100%            5713         5713          5713
75%             6061         6521             6980                                                       75%              6355         6815          7274
50%             6796         7715             8633                                                       50%              7090         8008          8927
25%             7439         8817             10194                                                     25%              7733         9111          10488

 

 

 

% Increase w/ Ring of Pain:

 

Enemy Armor = All                                                                                             

Armor Pen = 27%                                                                                              
Attack = 0%                                                                                                       

 

                   1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           20.4%          20.4%            20.4%                                                          
75%             17.9%          16.4%            15.1%                                                         
50%             15.6%          13.5%            11.9%                                                           
25%             14.1%          11.6%              9.9%

 

 

Enemy Armor = All                                                                                            
Armor Pen = 0%                                                                                             
Attack = 16%

 

 

                    1st Hit       2nd Hit       3rd Hit (X2)

 

100%           19.2%          19.2%          19.2%                                                    
75%             16.9%          15.6%          14.5%                                                      
50%             14.9%          12.9%          11.5%                                                       
25%             13.5%          11.2%            9.6%

[ThatBruhYouDK]

^^ not quoting that lol.
It just isn't consistent with how I play Reaver so I don't use it once I can replace it

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Proto you were very much correct man. I definitely prefer the Armor Pen now. Have it at +54% it is fantastic

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Update on AP. It was good when I had high health. Attack% worked out better for low Health. Will be switching back to attack%

Edit: so yes. After further testing with it I found:

Armor Pen is good for high health play throughs, so not the build in this thread that I use.

Attack% is good for my build when playing at low health.

Conclusion: use attack% attachments when playing Reaver the way I do. Armor Pen if you like staying at high health when playing in NM

[Drasca]

Added Ring of Pain to my previous damage demonstration, just for giggles.

 

As much as I like charts, you haven't done any empirical testing here. It is pretty clear that's the case because you're getting exact values to the 4tn digit and not using significant figures in your calculations. You have hypothetical results, but not tested ones.

 

So

 

A) Show proof with empirical testing

Congrats on finally figuring out RoP actually does damage, instead of being ignorant and denying it doesn't do anything like SB did for MONTHS.

 

 

Update on AP. It was good when I had high health. Attack% worked out better for low Health. Will be switching back to attack%

 

I really doubt you did enough testing to consistently factor in other bonii over the course of several games. I bet you eyeballed it and called it a day-- which makes your results meaningless.

 

PS: Update your pcpartspicker link. the previous one doesn't work. find a shareable version that works.

[Aggrojagg]

As much as I like charts, you haven't done any empirical testing here. It is pretty clear that's the case because you're getting exact values to the 4tn digit and not using significant figures in your calculations. You have hypothetical results, but not tested ones.

 

So

 

A) Show proof with empirical testing

Congrats on finally figuring out RoP actually does damage, instead of being ignorant and denying it doesn't do anything like SB did for MONTHS.

 

 

 

I really doubt you did enough testing to consistently factor in other bonii over the course of several games. I bet you eyeballed it and called it a day-- which makes your results meaningless.

 

PS: Update your pcpartspicker link. the previous one doesn't work. find a shareable version that works.

 

 

Bonii?

 

You're a bonii!

[ThatBruhYouDK]

As much as I like charts, you haven't done any empirical testing here. It is pretty clear that's the case because you're getting exact values to the 4tn digit and not using significant figures in your calculations. You have hypothetical results, but not tested ones.

So

A) Show proof with empirical testing
Congrats on finally figuring out RoP actually does damage, instead of being ignorant and denying it doesn't do anything like SB did for MONTHS.



I really doubt you did enough testing to consistently factor in other bonii over the course of several games. I bet you eyeballed it and called it a day-- which makes your results meaningless.

PS: Update your pcpartspicker link. the previous one doesn't work. find a shareable version that works.

Eh..I don't need to do that. It doesn't have to be a lengthy process to find stuff out. I know what I will be suggesting for the future.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NQrL3C

[Proto]

Congrats on finally figuring out RoP actually does damage, instead of being ignorant and denying it doesn't do anything like SB did for MONTHS.

 

Almost as bad as you claiming RoP bonus was impacted by Health% for MONTHS.

 

 

Proto you were very much correct man. I definitely prefer the Armor Pen now. Have it at +54% it is fantastic

 

Why did you use +54% Armor Penetration? I never recommended you do that. But, with 320 willpower...

 

+27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage > +54% Armor Penetration against enemies with less than 100 Armor

 

+54% Armor Penetration > +27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage against enemies with more than 100 Armor.

 

 

Update on AP. It was good when I had high health. Attack% worked out better for low Health. Will be switching back to attack%

Edit: so yes. After further testing with it I found:

Armor Pen is good for high health play throughs, so not the build in this thread that I use.

Attack% is good for my build when playing at low health.

Conclusion: use attack% attachments when playing Reaver the way I do. Armor Pen if you like staying at high health when playing in NM

 

Bruh, your conclusion is balogne. Oh great scrub-lord. 

 

Let me guess...you switched from +54% Armor Penetration to a +16% Attack and +27% Critical Damage upgrade? 

 

I've already explained that the damage formula is technically two separate parts. As health drops, the damage_multiplier gets larger, meaning each increase in attack becomes less of a percentage increase. +Attack and lower health bonus impact the same modifier.

 

The portion of the formula that is impacted by Armor Penetration does not change based on Health%.

 

With 320 Willpower:

 

+16% Attack and +27% Critical Damage > +27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage against enemies with 0 Armor.

 

This is obvious because armor penetration is useless against enemies with 0 armor. But, that 16% attack is only +293 damage per Dragon Rage. That number doesn't change at all, regardless of your health or what swing...it's a flat increase. This means you actually get the most benefit out of it when you are at full health. Completely the opposite of your conclusions.

 

+27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage > +16% Attack and +27% Critical Damage against enemies with more than 50 Armor

 

Armor Penetration's advantage over attack isn't really noticeable at 50 Armor. But once enemies have 100 armor you'll see about +270 damage per Dragon Rage at full health and up to +674 damage per Dragon Rage at 25% Health on the 3rd X2 swing. Hmm, that seems to be the complete opposite of your conclusions as well.

 

Armor Penetration's advantage over Attack only gets bigger as enemy armor increases. 

 

 

I know what I will be suggesting for the future.

 

What you should suggest depends on the promotions and gear of the user you are making the suggestion.

 

If the user has low cunning, low willpower and no Hakkon weapon, critical chance or attack is best.

 

If the user has low cunning, low willpower but has a Hakkon weapon, critical chance is best.

 

If the user has high cunning and a Hakkon weapon, critical damage is best.

 

Whether Attack or Armor Penetration is better as the secondary upgrade depends on the users willpower.

 

Less than 200, probably best to use Attack.

 

More than 200, probably best to use Armor Penetration

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Proto, I went through a bunch of upgrades and just found AP not usefull with the low health Damage boost. Ik you want numbers and stuff but I don't do that. I do things based off of what I see. I happened to see that the attack% boost worked better for me than the armor pen did.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

And it is 309 willpower not 320

[ThatBruhYouDK]

And if it helps. I was still killing things really easily no matter what I did. I just wasn't seeing my 20K+ per claw Dragon Rages. That is my gripe

[Proto]

Like I said in the post, my guess is you didn't use a 27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage upgrade.

 

You probably swapped out full armor pen, which means you lost 27% Critical damage...

 

Anyway, you do you booboo.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Like I said in the post, my guess is you didn't use a 27% Armor Penetration and +27% Critical Damage upgrade.

You probably swapped out full armor pen, which means you lost 27% Critical damage...

Anyway, you do you booboo.

I cycled through a few different variations. Full, half and half, etc. For both AP and attack%. And as I said, I would still do around 10-15K Dragon Rages. My goal was to get the highest number I can. When I had full attack% I would hit 20K+ Dragon Rages. Ik it seems dumb that I complain about that but I like Damage xD

[Snakebite]

As much as I like charts, you haven't done any empirical testing here. It is pretty clear that's the case because you're getting exact values to the 4tn digit and not using significant figures in your calculations. You have hypothetical results, but not tested ones.

 

So

 

A) Show proof with empirical testing

Congrats on finally figuring out RoP actually does damage, instead of being ignorant and denying it doesn't do anything like SB did for MONTHS.

 

Ring of Pain does not work at all like the tooltip suggests, and it is very clear from your posts that you believed that is how it worked.  You constantly said that builds that play at low health would get more use out of Dragon Rage, but the flat bonus it gives (only to Dragon Rage, and not to any other attacks like the tooltip suggests) actually benefits high health builds far more.

 

You mark part of the battlefield as yours. Enemies inside the ring take spirit damage while your own attacks inside the ring hit harder. The more you are hurt, the stronger both effects are.

 

can be toggled on and off

area of effect: 15 meters

damage: 15% weapon damage per second

damage bonus: 1% for each 1% missing health

cost: 5 stamina per second

 

"your own attacks inside the ring hit harder" only seems to apply to Dragon Rage, yet you berated me for showing that it doesn't apply to auto-attacks at all, even after showing empirical data that I gathered.  I have yet to see any empirical data from you, only your "I can prove it, but I don't need to because I'm Drasca" attitude, so your criticism of Pronto for not providing any data is unintentionally (and humorously) self-depreciating.

 

"The more you are hurt, the stronger both effects are" only applies to the spirit AoE, not to the "your own attacks inside the ring hit harder" part, so the error is compounded.

 

Go ahead and keep pretending like you already understood all any of this before Pronto pointed it out.

[Campout King]

I like Reaver. My goal was to try to get the most Damage possible per Strike. So far I was 25K on a commander for each claw. I wanna beat that but I am only playing for events next

25k on bosses????
What are you averaging with the minions then 15 to 19 hits???
Are you on PC?

And are/have you shared this build in the forums publicly? If so, I like 25k DR hits and would like to know how. I have over 100 promotes in all stats.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

25k on bosses????
What are you averaging with the minions then 15 to 19 hits???
Are you on PC?

And are/have you shared this build in the forums publicly? If so, I like 25k DR hits and would like to know how. I have over 100 promotes in all stats.

-Yes usually
-I am on PC: ThatBruhYouDK
-Everything in the OP is what I use my gear is in here (my first reply): http://forum.bioware...-for-each-class
It is also good for me to note that my willpower is 309..so that helps alot

[Campout King]

-Yes usually
-I am on PC: ThatBruhYouDK
-Everything in the OP is what I use my gear is in here (my first reply): http://forum.bioware...-for-each-class
It is also good for me to note that my willpower is 309..so that helps alot

I used to use that build long ago. I still can not hit 25k....

I'm on Xbox one tho, and my willpower is a tad bit higher than 309...

Maybe I'm not holding my mouth right when dragon raging?????

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I used to use that build long ago. I still can not hit 25k....

I'm on Xbox one tho, and my willpower is a tad bit higher than 309...

Maybe I'm not holding my mouth right when dragon raging?????

Do you have all the same equipment and attachments as well?

[Campout King]

Do you have all the same equipment and attachments as well?

Yes