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[ThatBruhYouDK]

I believe some of you are psychologically nerfing yourselves over what is optimal and what's not with this class. It's a pretty sturdy class now with some of the highest burst dps to boot. Reaver is one of only classes that can solo nightmare at lvl 1 with devour and mighty blow + heal on hit (all she needs really). Frankly, I feel they went overboard with some of the changes to her as she has no major weaknesses now to overcome. In the past, it was commendable to see a reaver solo or carry a perilous game, but nowadays everybody it seems can do it.

I've tried bruh's build and it's good, I've also tried other reaver builds and they are also good, as long as it revolves around life steal (devour/rampage/auto attack) and dragon rage than everything else becomes a matter of personal preference.

Yes I agree...some people just don't, and probably never will, get that I stated this is my FAVORITE build lol. I even stated it isn't the best just that I like it. But for some reason they dismiss the fact it deals great damage. But hey, whatever lol.
I like the way you worded this

[Drasca]

. But for some reason they dismiss the fact it deals great damage

 

It doesn't. I've seen your videos, and you take the same number of hits (or more, especially in the case trying to devour shield guys), taking longer to kill. Your initial hits are extremely weak, and you don't benefit from greatly increased attack speed most of the time as you're only at 40% health -- which means an even longer time to kill than regular abilities do.

 

You also say to devour shield guys, when clearly MB and PS followed with more DR deals with them faster. Being stunned / kd'ed means follow up hits with DR are faster.

 

If you said you wanted to play it safe or your solo video, but that's telling if you can't solo redline with it consistently. Standard builds DR/RP/WH/CR are inherently safer, don't have to be so cautious, gains more exp / time, doesn't require PI, AND the most telling part is it still kills faster.

 

You can get bigger individual numbers by redlining, but most of it is wasted and the actual time to kill is less due to the need to play cautiously with it. The overall actual damage done DPS is lower when you calculate enemy health done only, and not overkill.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

It doesn't. I've seen your videos, and you take the same number of hits (or more, especially in the case trying to devour shield guys), taking longer to kill. Your initial hits are extremely weak, and you don't benefit from greatly increased attack speed most of the time as you're only at 40% health -- which means an even longer time to kill than regular abilities do.

You also say to devour shield guys, when clearly MB and PS followed with more DR deals with them faster. Being stunned / kd'ed means follow up hits with DR are faster.

If you said you wanted to play it safe or your solo video, but that's telling if you can't solo redline with it consistently. Standard builds DR/RP/WH/CR are inherently safer, don't have to be so cautious, gains more exp / time, doesn't require PI, AND the most telling part is it still kills faster.

You can get bigger individual numbers by redlining, but most of it is wasted and the actual time to kill is less due to the need to play cautiously with it. The overall actual damage done DPS is lower when you calculate enemy health done only, and not overkill.

Oh trust me..I redline the **** out her when I did play. Ask all the BSNers I played with in PUGs. They will all tell you how I destroy everything.
Once again, I don't care about exp, my stats are plenty high so I just played to play.

[Drasca]

Oh trust me..I redline the **** out her when I did play. Ask all the BSNers I played with in PUGs.

 

LOL but when you play with me, I steal your kills. Saying to ask BSN'ers is pretty useless, especially since I'm a BSNer AND I've played with you and I say I steal your kills.

[TheLeakestWink]

LOL but when you play with me, I steal your kills. Saying to ask BSN'ers is pretty useless, especially since I'm a BSNer AND I've played with you and I say I steal your kills.

 

last-hitting != doing the most damage

[ThatBruhYouDK]

LOL but when you play with me, I steal your kills. Saying to ask BSN'ers is pretty useless, especially since I'm a BSNer AND I've played with you and I say I steal your kills.

There is a huge difference between ranged and melee. You killing with hot licks (ranged) before I can get them is no proof of my skill or "scrubness" with a melee character. Which is why I switch to Lego after that match to actually do something.

[Drasca]

There is a huge difference between ranged and melee. You killing with hot licks (ranged) before I can get them is no proof of my skill or "scrubness" with a melee character. Which is why I switch to Lego after that match to actually do something.

 

Lol at least you know what's going on. The weakest doesn't even realize I was killing stuff before you even got there. Also calling you a scrub means nothing other than pulling your leg. Still though, the weaknesses of your build can't be denied, like the fact that PS/MB-->DR is faster than DV (repeated)

 

Realistically we don't each play all reavers (like pugs that don't understand teamwork synergy, especially the console ones it seems) but characters that better compliment each other.

 

Also arguably Alchemist is the new OP considering every mine toss is up to 3-5k per mine x 5? mines, and she tosses 8+ mine tosses at once. The I know the NM/HB Dragon gets downed from one mine spam if she jumps on top of it. Too bad cunning is useless after 200, but you don't care about promotes right?

 

PS: Watch this for fun sparring

 

 

Notice the come at me bruh warcry taunt 8 seconds in.

 

I also have a new respect for leather armor:

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Lol at least you know what's going on. The weakest doesn't even realize I was killing stuff before you even got there. Also calling you a scrub means nothing other than pulling your leg. Still though, the weaknesses of your build can't be denied, like the fact that PS/MB-->DR is faster than DV (repeated)

Realistically we don't each play all reavers (like pugs that don't understand teamwork synergy, especially the console ones it seems) but characters that better compliment each other.

Also arguably Alchemist is the new OP considering every mine toss is up to 3-5k per mine x 5? mines, and she tosses 8+ mine tosses at once. The I know the NM/HB Dragon gets downed from one mine spam if she jumps on top of it. Too bad cunning is useless after 200, but you don't care about promotes right?

PS: Watch this for fun sparring

https://youtu.be/n5w2Mh6CyXo

Notice the come at me bruh warcry taunt 8 seconds in.

I also have a new respect for leather armor:
https://youtu.be/fuEVjxLrc9k

Like I said before, I know the game really well.
Ne calling doesn't bother me.
I don't care for promotes for two reasons:
1: I don't play anymore (except events)
2: my stats are 250/260/200...I don't need anymore, anythings else is just way too OP

[Drasca]

...I don't need anymore, anythings else is just way too OP

 

Says the guy that is claiming this build is great because of damage.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Says the guy that is claiming this build is great because of damage.

Yes, but if you aren't paying attention you will die. It isn't OP, just good.

[Drasca]

Yes, but if you aren't paying attention you will die. It isn't OP, just good.

 

Who wants to pay attention? Like Silversmurf, I'm watching Netflix while playing. Currently, Star Wars Clone Wars.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Who wants to pay attention? Like Silversmurf, I'm watching Netflix while playing. Currently, Star Wars Clone Wars.

I just finished another Star Wars Marathon..13 hours of gloriousness

[Drasca]

I just finished another Star Wars Marathon..13 hours of gloriousness

 

Movies or everything? Probably movies. I'm going to watch the Rebels series after Clone Wars. Just finished the How to Train Your Dragon TV series (multiple) & shorts though.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Movies or everything? Probably movies. I'm going to watch the Rebels series after Clone Wars. Just finished the How to Train Your Dragon TV series (multiple) & shorts though.

Just the movies, they are 13 hours. And I watched them in the correct order: 4->5->1->2->3->6

[lcneed]

Just the movies, they are 13 hours. And I watched them in the correct order: 4->5->1->2->3->6

 

And here I thought the correct order was 4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5...

[Drasca]

And here I thought the correct order was 4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5...

 

No, just Leia's gold bikini scenes on loop for 13 hrs.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

No, just Leia's gold bikini scenes on loop for 13 hrs.

The Sarlaac is a mighty foe!

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Updated with Ring of Pain as an optional ability. Thank you Drasca for pointing it out. I tried it and, despite Snakebite's claim, it worked for me and doubled my Dragon Rage damage per hit. Will definitely be using it more in the future!

 

(not exactly double, that is an exaggeration lol, not always consistent either) 

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Now also with ROP comparison video in the OP

[Snakebite]

 

The first part shows me testing it without Dragon Rage, as it is easier to gather data without the extra variables of Dragon Rage and Blood Frenzy both multiplying damage at lower health.  Having these other two abilities makes gathering accurate data increasingly difficult the lower your heath gets, which is obviously a requirement of testing Ring of Pain.  The first part of the video actually shows me hitting for less with Ring of Pain on some hits.

 

The second part shows me trying to test with Dragon Rage.  Damages with and without Ring of Pain are fairly static except for the hit at the end, which is "coincidentally" the only hit where Horn of Valor activated.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

Never cared for ROP due to the stamina drain that devour and mighty blow sap if they aren't upgraded. I can't see it being viable for early level ups with a high risk/high reward build such as this because of devour but I could see it replacing pommel strike. Usually a build that is worth bringing into nightmare is most likely a build that can carry all the way through your next promotion with some additional passives. It definitely would be optional not mandatory.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

https://www.youtube....h?v=6b6aNpT1xx4

The first part shows me testing it without Dragon Rage, as it is easier to gather data without the extra variables of Dragon Rage and Blood Frenzy both multiplying damage at lower health. Having these other two abilities makes gathering accurate data increasingly difficult the lower your heath gets, which is obviously a requirement of testing Ring of Pain. The first part of the video actually shows me hitting for less with Ring of Pain on some hits.

The second part shows me trying to test with Dragon Rage. Damages with and without Ring of Pain are fairly static except for the hit at the end, which is "coincidentally" the only hit where Horn of Valor activated.

From what I have noticed myself is that it isn't consistent. I would use it as I am leveling but not permanently. That's just me though

[Drasca]

video here

 

Failure to pay attention to detail. You were shot with weaken arrow (and weakened pops up with the green spider icon) at the 4 second mark (after auto attacking concluded without ROP). Learn to science. Next time reduce your variables AND pay attention to what's going on your buff bar (though this isn't everything)

 

There is a very clear increase at the 33 second to 35 second mark, going from around 1750 to 2050. The health moved quite a bit after that

[Proto]

snip

 

 

There is a very clear increase at the 33 second to 35 second mark, going from around 1750 to 2050. The health moved quite a bit after that

 

Lol, drasca did you even watch the rest of the video? Obviously useless, benefit seems to be maybe 1000 (on high end) w/ dragon rage and extremely low health. For the stamina cost ect...just not a useful ability, IMHO.

 

Keep in mind this is coming from someone who would never purposely not take Rampage...so...

[Drasca]

Lol, drasca did you even watch the rest of the video? Obviously useless, benefit seems to be maybe 1000 (on high end) w/ dragon rage and extremely low health. For the stamina cost ect...just not a useful ability, IMHO.

 

Oh I know exactly how much RoP does vs does not vs redlining, etc. That's not the point, its the very poor testing practices I'm criticizing here. RoP does work, and SB is being dumb here. Whether it is worth taking is another matter (usually no lol)

 

There are ways to make RoP work for max damage via clear a path / warrior's resolve / etc, but it clearly DOES work for increased damage-- but like you I don't think the small gains in damage are end-all be all (including redlining / rampage)