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[phishface]

One of the great things about Dragon Age is you can't trust many of your NPC 'friends'. You can spend hours fighting alongside them, patiently discussing their feelings and opinions, and fitting them out with your swankiest gear. But you never know when they're going to stab you in the back or try to destroy the world.

 

To name a few:

 

Morrigan: DAO

 

If you don't give her what she wants before the battle with the Archdemon, she'll just leave in a huff. So she puts her own dodgy agenda before helping to save the world from a Blight.

 

Morrigan: DAI

 

She insists that you to do what she tells you to do, for her own reasons, even though she clearly has no idea what she's doing. Morrigan is basically a rampaging bull in the china shop of powerful magic.

 

Solas:

 

Not much to add to the millions of words already written about him. If you don't trust him, he'll explode your world. If you do trust him, he'll still explode your world but might feel a little bit sad about it.

 

Iron Bull:

 

Is it Bas or Boss?

 

Zevran:

 

This one's a great switcheroo, because he tries to kill you before becoming your friend.

 

Anders:

 

'Hey Hawke my bestest buddy, would you buy some stuff for me?' 'What stuff?' 'Let's see - a whole lot of TNT, something to put it in, and, um, that's all.' 'What for?' 'Oh, something totally innocent that'll save my soul and end poverty and help kittens. Trust me kthxbai'

 

Blackwall:

 

The lies and self-pity never end. And in case you didn't know, he was right there during the murders:

• Cole: "Mockingbird, mockingbird." Too many voices in the carriage. Maker, they're young.
• Cole: If I tell my men to stop, they'll know it was all a lie. Cold, trapped, heart hammering like axes on a carriage door.

Isabela:

 

She had the means to fix the problem the whole time, but didn't. Then she abandoned Hawke. Whether she returns at the last moment or not, that's one hell of a betrayal.

 

The thing is, these are some of the most interesting and engaging characters across all the games - both before and after you find out they're liars and cheats. It's testament to the writers' talent that they can create such contradictory and complex characters, all with clear motivations and flaws.

 

But from now on, the one thing we know is that we can't trust anyone in future games, and we'll think twice when we give them our good gear...

 

[ComedicSociopathy]

[TheBeyond]

I only trust 1 person, me, myself and I. And maybe my dog.

[QueenCrow]

Great list!  

 

I want to add Anora, who will toss you over with a lie the moment you're caught trying to help her escape imprisonment (Rescue the Queen - DAO).  Luckily there is an option to putting that slippery creature on the throne, so one can get a little payback.

 

P.S.  I did have fun being naked in jail on that one.

[Andromelek]

If you are going to put Morrigan there for leaving after not having something she wants, then you'll have to put Alistair on that list, the brat only wants his vengeance, if you don't allow him to have it, he lets Ferelden to its luck, which makes him even worse than Morrigan since he has an oath to the Grey Wardens and it's his duty stop the Blight, extra media also has proved him as an ungrateful traitor that doesn't delay much on turning against the people that helped him when the situation is convenient, also Sebastian may be counted here, he begins an all out in war against Kirkwall even knowing that Anders left long ago, luckily Aveline took the crap out of his army.

Tallis, do not forget Tallis, she fooled you to rob a noble, when her true intent was kill him along with the dude that saved her on the first place, just to save Qunari spies so would be easier invade Thedas, also, if I recall correctly, Prosper was one of the main reasons that soothed Celene and Gaspard, short after his death they began a bloody war across Orlais.

[Sui Causa]

I'm not sure if Iron Bull can be counted as lying to you, since he kind of told you up front who he was working for and that he was a spy and all that... >_> At least he was up front about the fact that he may or may not **** you over in the future.

[Ryzaki]

Nah Bull did lie he just spun it in enough of the truth.

 

But yeah good grieving.

 

All the crap Vivi gets though she doesn't lie to you XD

[vertigomez]

I love it. The fewer NPCs fawning over the protagonist, the better. I like a lil tension.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I love it. The fewer NPCs fawning over the protagonist, the better. I like a lil tension.

 

Same.  It's almost as though these characters are written like people, with their own ideas and agendas, instead of yes-men to the PC!

 

No surprise that many of my favorite DA characters are on OP's list.  Though I am glad that we do get loyal characters to balance out the liars and cheats.  If we couldn't trust anyone in our parties, that would get old too.  

[GrinningRogue]

Prosper was one of the main reasons that soothed Celene and Gaspard, short after his death they began a bloody war across Orlais.

 

Huh. If that's true,that's one more thing Hawke accidentally ruined.

[thats1evildude]

That's why you gotta love Varric. No hidden agendas, just always has your back.

[leadintea]

I want more openly sleazy characters. Not someone with hidden agendas or liars, but someone who's completely upfront with the PC and constantly gets into arguments with them about what they want and what they're going to do. Someone like Carver, for example.

[Dabrikishaw]

Damn, Xil really got to people here.

[vertigomez]

I want more openly sleazy characters. Not someone with hidden agendas or liars, but someone who's completely upfront with the PC and constantly gets into arguments with them about what they want and what they're going to do. Someone like Carver, for example.

Yeessss.

I'll also take Bishop from NWN2. Boy was always talkin' ****. It was glorious.

[Panda]

I don't think that every lies and cheats you from these characters since I think their actions did make sense and so on, well most of them.

 

It's positive thing for me at least in the end, makes them feel more real and it's nice that companions have their own agendas.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'll also take Bishop from NWN2. Boy was always talkin' ****. It was glorious.

 

Bishop was always talkin' sh*t, but he was surprisingly upfront.  He values personal freedom.  He hates being under any obligation (which is ultimately why he turns).  He hates hypocrisy born of self-righteousness.  You can get all that within the first few hours of encountering him.  And I definitely would have felt cheated if there had been some way to change or redeem him, because he's way too damaged already.  Characters like that don't grow as much over the course of the game, so I'd prefer them to be optional companions.  But they're still a lot of fun

[phishface]

Bishop was always talkin' sh*t, but he was surprisingly upfront.  He values personal freedom.  He hates being under any obligation (which is ultimately why he turns).  He hates hypocrisy born of self-righteousness.  You can get all that within the first few hours of encountering him.  And I definitely would have felt cheated if there had been some way to change or redeem him, because he's way too damaged already.  Characters like that don't grow as much over the course of the game, so I'd prefer them to be optional companions.  But they're still a lot of fun

 

Ooh! Can we talk about NWN companions here? Because if we can, I'd like to mention the most honest and loyal companion of them all:

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ooh! Can we talk about NWN companions here? Because if we can, I'd like to mention the most honest and loyal companion of them all:

 

LOL.  One of Many gave me the heebie jeebies so bad, but in a good way.  Love that creepy undead f***er.

[Rhidor]

Is this a complaint?

[phishface]

Is this a complaint?

 

Quite the opposite, as you should be able to tell from the first eight words of the first sentence of the first post.

[Aren]

This is the only one who i trust in DA both with The Warden and Hawke,this sad yea i know

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[Aren]

If you are going to put Morrigan there for leaving after not having something she wants, then you'll have to put Alistair on that list, the brat only wants his vengeance, if you don't allow him to have it, he lets Ferelden to its luck, which makes him even worse than Morrigan since he has an oath to the Grey Wardens and it's his duty stop the Blight, extra media also has proved him as an ungrateful traitor that doesn't delay much on turning against the people that helped him when the situation is convenient, 

 

To be fair,AListair may have is own reason to leave,he just don't trust Loghain that can still be considered as dangerous even if defeated,even if i have not agreed with him, he has strong reasons to want to not stay near to Loghain,this is why i have always allowed to him to leave without being angry with him,simply because he has strong points of whom i cannot challenge,he his right (even if at the end spare Loghain is a smart move to kill the old god)..

Morrigan on the other hand,her reason to leave were entirely selfish and hard if impossible to  justify 

in WH she doesn't even defend herself from those 3 accusations,which are 1 abandoned,2 deceived or 3 you tried to use me,she just try to shift the topic on the more ambiguous betrayal thing,that can happen only if the Warden gives to her the grimoire but in return asked to her to use it also as an help for the cause (depends on player choice, you can also give to her the grimoire without ask nothing in return),but as i said in that scenario she also didn't keep her word, her part of the bargain,which was the book for help against the blight  .

[Andromelek]

To be fair,AListair may have is own reason to leave,he just don't trust Loghain that can still be considered as dangerous even if defeated,even if i have not agreed with him, he has strong reasons to want to not stay near to Loghain,this is why i have always allowed to him to leave without being angry with him,simply because he has strong points of whom i cannot challenge,he his right (even if at the end spare Loghain is a smart move to kill the old god)..
Morrigan on the other hand,her reason to leave were entirely selfish and hard if impossible to justify
(in WH she doesn't even defend herself from those 3 accusations,which are 1 abandoned,2 deceived or 3 you tried to use me).

He showed to be selfish enough to be willing to take crown and put thousands of lives on stake just because of vengeance, tell me, how is that any better? and that's ignoring that post Origins Alistair still being quite treacherous.

[Aren]

He showed to be selfish enough to be willing to take crown and put thousands of lives on stake just because of vengeance, tell me, how that's any better? and that's ignoring that post Origins Alistair still being quite treacherous.

His reason to be king was to have the power to condemn Loghain(also he has some claim to the throne just like Anora or the HN) ,i do not understand when he said that he wanted to put people on stake?

As a GW he was bound to obey only to Weishaupt or Riordan officially,so not even to the protagonist which wasn't yet a superior

(happen only in DAA to be nominated as commander)

Alistair reason to not want to stay near Loghain and try to condemn him were reasonable, i still remember that Anora wanted also him dead in this scenario so i can't blame him for have decided to not trust neither Loghain or Anora or the protagonist when his life was in danger and escape from them (i would have run too if a Queen demanded my life).

Morrigan on the other hand demonstrated that her goal was the old god survival rather than the Warden mission,she didn't give to you a choice an ultimatum.

WIth AListair is possible to still find a compromise,with Morrigan ,nope only her way.

[Andromelek]

His reason to be king was to have the power to condemn Loghain(also he has some claim to the throne just like Anora or the HN) ,i do not understand when he said that he wanted to put people on stake?
As a GW he was bound to obey only to Weishaupt or Riordan officially,so not even to the protagonist which wasn't yet a superior
(happen only in DAA to be nominated as commander)
Alistair reason to not want to stay near Loghain and try to condemn him were reasonable, i still remember that Anora wanted also him dead in this scenario so i can't blame him for have decided to not trust neither Loghain or Anora or the protagonist when his life was in danger and escape from them (i would have run too if a Queen demanded my life).
Morrigan on the other hand demonstrated that her goal was the old god survival rather than the Warden mission,she didn't give to you a choice an ultimatum.
WIth AListair is possible to still find a compromise,with Morrigan ,nope only her way.

As Anora points out, he would play with the country's fate for his selfish desire, killing Loghain would take about a minute but he would had to carry on with the country after that, at that point, he never showed, and even admitted that lacks of any virtue of command, for what Warden knew, he likely could lead to a crisis and screw Ferelden rather than fix anything. And quite sure that it was rather a tantrum than fear, Anora only suggests his execution when he says he will leave, and if it's allowed to run he goes to turn into a drunk, not to regroup with the Wardens on Orlais or Free Marches where Anora and HoF wouldn't have any power.