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[Aren]

Great list!  

 

I want to add Anora, who will toss you over with a lie the moment you're caught trying to help her escape imprisonment (Rescue the Queen - DAO). 

If i had not mistaken you're talking about the "Cauthrien scenario" on Howe estate,same answer of another thread then.

There are times where the narrative tries to argue that what you did was right, when it was wrong. Case in point, Anora and the "betrayal" that happens -- whether it's in Howe's Estate or at the Landsmeet. If at the former, then it's because the Warden was a dolt who did precisely what Anora asked us not to do.   Yet the companions end up going "HOW DARE SHE BETRAY US". This coming from Leliana who was invested in Orlesian politics and should know that we were the idiots in this scenario, or Zevran who was assigned to kill political people. Both of them should know that we did the exact thing Anora wanted to not have happen and put her in a dangerous situation..   This is what I mean. Our choices are deemed prim and proper by the narrative, when they're not, and thus the players believe they were right because they fail to see things (writers were drunk there).

The warden didn't maintained her/his words in this scenario that's all,Anora didn't chat on you more likely yhe Warden cheated on her.

[Aren]

Same.  It's almost as though these characters are written like people, with their own ideas and agendas, instead of yes-men to the PC!

 

 

 

I want more openly sleazy characters. Not someone with hidden agendas or liars, but someone who's completely upfront with the PC and constantly gets into arguments with them about what they want and what they're going to do. Someone like Carver, for example.

i don't understand what people means when they said that people are more believable when they are cheating on you or when they lie and put you in a more difficult position just to further their own plans,this isn't being believable this is what i call being an.......

Carver for example isn't someone who is cheating on you,and yet he often stood against your opinion.

So in order to be believable ironically a character needs to lie?

Ya know belief and lie aren't exactly the same thing in my dictionary,and Carver is for me more believable than the like of "Solas,Isabela,Anders,Morrigan,Loghain ecc.." all liars,and i for sure never "believed" in anything that they had to say.

[Rhidor]

Quite the opposite, as you should be able to tell from the first eight words of the first sentence of the first post.

 

My mistake, somehow misread that. Too many people complaining about good stuff these days, I was probably used to hearing that.

 

Glad you're not one of them!

[vertigomez]

Ooh! Can we talk about NWN companions here? Because if we can, I'd like to mention the most honest and loyal companion of them all:

THIS ****** STILL GIVES ME NIGHTMARES.

Bishop was always talkin' sh*t, but he was surprisingly upfront. He values personal freedom. He hates being under any obligation (which is ultimately why he turns). He hates hypocrisy born of self-righteousness. You can get all that within the first few hours of encountering him. And I definitely would have felt cheated if there had been some way to change or redeem him, because he's way too damaged already. Characters like that don't grow as much over the course of the game, so I'd prefer them to be optional companions. But they're still a lot of fun

Oh, I agree that he's fairly forthright, as least as far as you letting you know what he's like. I just appreciate that he had a spine in the face of magical PC specialtude.

[Sable Rhapsody]

 

i don't understand what people means when they said that people are more believable when they are cheating on you or when they lie and put you in a more difficult position just to further their own plans,this isn't being believable this is what i call being an.......

Carver for example isn't someone who is cheating on you,and yet he often stood against your opinion.

So in order to be believable ironically a character needs to lie?

Ya know belief and lie aren't exactly the same thing in my dictionary,and Carver is for me more believable than the like of "Solas,Isabela,Anders,Morrigan,Loghain ecc.." all liars,and i for sure never "believed" in anything that they had to say.

 

 

You must lead a charmed life, if you've never encountered someone IRL who makes your life more difficult because they've got their own agenda.  A lazy co-worker?  Indifferent police officer?  Local politician?  Family member with fundamentally different moral values?

 

I prefer NPCs to have their own opinions that can conflict with mine, like Carver.  I also prefer them to act on those opinions.  If they don't act on what is important to them, or they can be talked out of something they supposedly care about, they feel like they're just capitulating to you because you're the PC.  Which is boring.

[QueenCrow]

If i had not mistaken you're talking about the "Cauthrien scenario" on Howe estate,same answer of another thread then.

There are times where the narrative tries to argue that what you did was right, when it was wrong. Case in point, Anora and the "betrayal" that happens -- whether it's in Howe's Estate or at the Landsmeet. If at the former, then it's because the Warden was a dolt who did precisely what Anora asked us not to do.   Yet the companions end up going "HOW DARE SHE BETRAY US". This coming from Leliana who was invested in Orlesian politics and should know that we were the idiots in this scenario, or Zevran who was assigned to kill political people. Both of them should know that we did the exact thing Anora wanted to not have happen and put her in a dangerous situation..   This is what I mean. Our choices are deemed prim and proper by the narrative, when they're not, and thus the players believe they were right because they fail to see things (writers were drunk there).

The warden didn't maintained her/his words in this scenario that's all,Anora didn't chat on you more likely yhe Warden cheated on her.

 

Yes.  I (the Warden) was caught by Cauthrien trying to help Anora escape.  I (the Warden) told the truth.  Anora lied and said I (the Warden) abducted her against her will.

 

She lied.  I may be a dolt who didn't listen to Anora, but I'm not a liar

 

And I chose that option several times so that I could be naked in jail with Alistair.

Please don't judge me

[Marika Haliwell]

After Trespasser can I add Teagan???

[Aren]

You must lead a charmed life, if you've never encountered someone IRL who makes your life more difficult because they've got their own agenda.  A lazy co-worker?  Indifferent police officer?  Local politician?  Family member with fundamentally different moral values?

 

 

Which is also vastly different of:

having a liar who put an entire city in danger for her own ends(Isabela)

having a liar who used potentially you to bombing a chantry and started a war (Anders)

having a liar who was near to destroy the known world and because of which you lost an arm  (Solas)

having a liar who brought a nation near to its end (Loghain)

Having a liar who started the apocalypse (The Architect)

having a liar who decided willingly to withholds informations that concerned personally your life(when those informations could have made things far more easy) and be ready to abandon you and all of this to create an abomination by following the plan of another abomination? (Morrigan)

I never met people like that in real life,the politician,officer who is just ready to gain some advantage in this life didn't put me in such a dangerous situations,at least never so directly,they may make things more difficult but indirectly,not as close as those DA companions.

Those characters made the life of the protagonists much more complicated for their own gain (with the life at risk,not money or a job)

 i wouldn't call their motives as agenda,but more likely as gotcha for the protagonist!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I never met people like that in real life,the politician,officer who is just ready to gain some advantage in this life didn't put me in such a dangerous situations,at least never so directly,they may make things more difficult but indirectly,not as close as those DA companions.

Those characters made the life of the protagonists much more complicated for their own gain (with the life at risk,not money or a job)

 i wouldn't call their motives as agenda,but more likely as gotcha for the protagonist!

 

 

'Course you don't.  In real life, you're not a Warden, a Champion, or an Inquisitor.  You don't shoot lightning from your fingers and determine the fate of the world.  Or at least, I hope you don't, because that job would blow   But people who are that dangerous still exist IRL.

 

The characters you play in a video game are more badass than you, so the dangers and challenges they face are more deadly than yours.  None of us bat an eyelash when our PCs face death in combat.  Why should we be surprised when they face peril from someone else's agenda?  No one wants to listen to a story about Izzy cutting in line in front of Hawke at the supermarket.

[Aren]

'Course you don't.  In real life, you're not a Warden, a Champion, or an Inquisitor.  You don't shoot lightning from your fingers and determine the fate of the world.  Or at least, I hope you don't, because that job would blow   But people who are that dangerous still exist IRL.

 

The characters you play in a video game are more badass than you, so the dangers and challenges they face are more deadly than yours.  None of us bat an eyelash when our PCs face death in combat.  Why should we be surprised when they face peril from someone else's agenda?  No one wants to listen to a story about Izzy cutting in line in front of Hawke at the supermarket.

My heart is too delicate for all of this gotcha from those companions,that literally were came out from nowhere,always at the end,when everything seemed fine..

With DA i start to play paranoid since the beginning,because there will always be an unpleasant surprise

[Ashagar]

Well at least Cassandra will never lie or betray and Varric while he is a liar is a loyal liar.