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How would an elf/qunari protagonist work in a Tevinter based DA4?


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#26
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Given that our protag starts off as a prisoner threatened with execution under extreme circumstances in DAI.
It wouldn't be hard to have something similar occur in tevinter.
Although,
We don't have a clue what those extreme circumstances will be in DA4...

Yep, slave or prisoner. The archon get murders and the pc is blamed for it.



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Keep dreaming. The Inquisitor is not going to be the protagonist.

I will :lol:

 

Sadly it will be years before we actually know :(



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The classes are slave, liberati (freed slave), soporati, laetan, altus. All altus are human and all altus and laetan are mages, but a non mage character could come from any of the other classes (except dwarves, they can't be slaves and by extension liberati as was pointed out previously).

 

A more likely scenario is that the PC won't be from Tevinter. That way whenever a NPC explains something about Tevinter it's not odd that we don't already know that.


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The classes are slave, liberati (freed slave), soporati, laetan, altus. All altus are human and all altus and laetan are mages, but a non mage character could come from any of the other classes (except dwarves, they can't be slaves and by extension liberati as was pointed out previously).
 
A more likely scenario is that the PC won't be from Tevinter. That way whenever a NPC explains something about Tevinter it's not odd that we don't already know that.


I think dwarves are considered "foreign dignitaries" or something to that effect, even if their families have lived in Tevinter for ages.

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Well, without knowing the story of what role we are playing in the next game that would be hard to answer.   Surely an elf or Qunari with magical ability is probably going to have a higher role in Tevinter society than a non-mage human.    So maybe the question is also going to be how is a rogue or warrior class supposed to be the next protagonist?


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There are not dwaf slaves. At the most dwaves can be wanted by the state but they are by law not slaves.

Tevinter slavery isn't racial, they have both elven and human slaves.  Dwarven slaves may be nonexistent, do to dwarves of the Ambassadoria being essentially foreign dignitaries and there being few of them to begin with, but I don't think there's a rule against it.



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Tevinter slavery isn't racial, they have both elven and human slaves.  Dwarven slaves may be nonexistent, do to dwarves of the Ambassadoria being essentially foreign dignitaries and there being few of them to begin with, but I don't think there's a rule against it.


I think it's WoT2 that says dwarves are (often? occasionally? I'm rusty here) overseers of slaves in the Imperium.

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Surely we don't always have to play people who get along with the ruling class?
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Tevinter slavery isn't racial, they have both elven and human slaves.  Dwarven slaves may be nonexistent, do to dwarves of the Ambassadoria being essentially foreign dignitaries and there being few of them to begin with, but I don't think there's a rule against it.

With dwarve via lore it is 100% against the rules. I know slave are not racial but it is the easier why to get elves and qunari as pc. Human can be nobles who fall from grace.



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Surely we don't always have to play people who get along with the ruling class?

 

Well if we are going to be in Tenvinter, its a empire under assault by the Quanri who are 1984, logan's run levels worse than the Tevinter Imperium at its worse and besides brainwashing people and breaking people's minds for simply being questioning or creative they treat mages in a way that makes the worse chantry/Templar abuses like like heaven in comparison.



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Well if we are going to be in Tenvinter, its a empire under assault by the Quanri who are 1984, logan's run levels worse than the Tevinter Imperium at its worse and besides brainwashing people and breaking people's minds for simply being questioning or creative they treat mages in a way that makes the worse chantry/Templar abuses like like heaven in comparison.

 

All of that fails to address the question.

 

Tevinter keeps legions of slaves, their rulers practice blood magic, and their ruling class are essentially Game of Thrones on steroids. I don't want to play a character that has to approve of any of that even passively either. 


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Tevinter slavery isn't racial, they have both elven and human slaves.  Dwarven slaves may be nonexistent, do to dwarves of the Ambassadoria being essentially foreign dignitaries and there being few of them to begin with, but I don't think there's a rule against it.

 

Sorka, the stewart of the household Calpernia worked in, was a dwarf. Whether they were a slave or not is unclear.

 

I imagine, though, that if the system allows people to sell themselves into slavery, there would be the odd dwarven slave.



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Sorka, the stewart of the household Calpernia worked in, was a dwarf. Whether they were a slave or not is unclear.

 

I imagine, though, that if the system allows people to sell themselves into slavery, there would be the odd dwarven slave.

http://dragonage.wik...mperium#Dwarves

 

Dwarven embassies in Minrathous, Neromenian, and Qarinus are entirely underground and are considered by dwarves to reside within the Stone, allowing those in the embassy to retain their caste. Some dwarves serving in Tevinter embassies never leave these underground fastnesses. No dwarves are known to be kept as slaves in the Imperium, presumably due to their fundamental importance to the Imperium in providing lyrium. They can also be hired by homes as overseers to the household's slaves.



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With dwarve via lore it is 100% against the rules. I know slave are not racial but it is the easier why to get elves and qunari as pc. Human can be nobles who fall from grace.

Not against the rules, just generally not done.

 

I'd rather have diverse racial backgrounds though, so I don't need dwarves to be slaves.  I'd have qunari for the slave Origin, maybe make the elves Soporati/Liberati/Laetan depending on class.  Have a dwarf from the Ambassadoria, forced topside for some reason, and make the human part of an Altus family (Humans always being nobles might seem repetitive, but its because humans are the only ones that can realistically be nobles most places in this setting and I want to provide the option)



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Not against the rules, just generally not done.

 

I'd rather have diverse racial backgrounds though, so I don't need dwarves to be slaves.  I'd have qunari for the slave Origin, maybe make the elves Soporati/Liberati/Laetan depending on class.  Have a dwarf from the Ambassadoria, forced topside for some reason, and make the human part of an Altus family (Humans always being nobles might seem repetitive, but its because humans are the only ones that can realistically be nobles most places in this setting and I want to provide the option)

It's ageists the rules.

 

http://dragonage.wik...mperium#Dwarves

 

Dwarven embassies in Minrathous, Neromenian, and Qarinus are entirely underground and are considered by dwarves to reside within the Stone, allowing those in the embassy to retain their caste. Some dwarves serving in Tevinter embassies never leave these underground fastnesses. No dwarves are known to be kept as slaves in the Imperium, presumably due to their fundamental importance to the Imperium in providing lyrium. They can also be hired by homes as overseers to the household's slaves.



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Especially in the case of qunari and the war between Tevinter and Par Vollen?

IIRC i didn't see the qunari, and elven Inquisitor earn that much more trouble over their race/culture versus the human, minus some Orlesian court disapproval. I wouldn't be surprised if this aspect of the lore is ignored outside of some weapon's codex entry.



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It's ageists the rules.

 

http://dragonage.wik...mperium#Dwarves

 

Dwarven embassies in Minrathous, Neromenian, and Qarinus are entirely underground and are considered by dwarves to reside within the Stone, allowing those in the embassy to retain their caste. Some dwarves serving in Tevinter embassies never leave these underground fastnesses. No dwarves are known to be kept as slaves in the Imperium, presumably due to their fundamental importance to the Imperium in providing lyrium. They can also be hired by homes as overseers to the household's slaves.

That says it isn't known to happen.  It doesn't say it's illegal, read it again.



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That says it isn't known to happen.  It doesn't say it's illegal, read it again.

It says at the most working of slavers as an overseer.



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It says at the most working of slavers as an overseer.

It says "They can also be hired by homes as overseers to the household's slaves."

 

"They can also be hired", is what it says.  It doesn't say "They can only be hired as overseers because it's illegal to have dwarven slaves."



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It says at the most working of slavers as an overseer.

 

It says there's no evidence that dwarves are kept as slaves. The last sentence is totally divorced from everything else. 



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It says there's no evidence that dwarves are kept as slaves. The last sentence is totally divorced from everything else. 

The would thing say no dwarves are kept as slaves.



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It says "They can also be hired by homes as overseers to the household's slaves."

 

"They can also be hired", is what it says.  It doesn't say "They can only be hired as overseers because it's illegal to have dwarven slaves."

More that it mean dwaves have other means to gain money then slaving themeslves.



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In regards to dwarves and slavery;

 

"Slavery is still legal for elves and humans and even Qunari to be sold into slavery." - Excerpt from the wikipedia's article on the Tevinter Imperium.

 

"Dwarves are thus far not known to be offiicially kept as slaves in the Imperium, presumably due to their upstanding relations they held for millennia as well as their fundamental importance in providing the Imperium with lyrium. The Venatori, however, used them to unearth ruins in the Hissing Waste. Free people may choose to sell themselves into slavery to provide for their families. Those slaves who are purchased by the Imperium itself rather than private individuals are called Servus Publicus, or state-owned slaves." - Excerpt from the wikipedia's article on Slavery.



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Tevinter is not just filled with magisters and slaves. There is the soporati class.

 

The protagonist could just start out as a soldier/mercenary or someone just living in some remote village who has never seen a city before.

 

Although, Tevinter does give the unique opportunity to starting as a household servant/slave to an Altus or powerful Laetan. Then the head of the house is killed in the open by a rival, and the servant/slave has to make it on his/her own afterwards. So, they may go that route. It's just not the only route.

 

I would like another origins-like beginning.

 

Mundane human - Laetan household guard or soldier/mercenary.

Mundane elf - slave, Laetan household guard, or city elf

dwarf - Laetan household guard or gladiator

elf/human mage - member of a Laetan household currently studying at a Circle.

 

Or whatever they can think of. It is just nice to get that background and establish the character. I wouldn't mind if they don't have fewer side quests compared to Inquisition if they used those resources to build up an Origins-like beginning again.