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[Heimdall]

More that it mean dwaves have other means to gain money then slaving themeslves.

None of which means there is an actual rule against dwarven slaves.

[Chiramu]

An elf or qunari Hero from the next game focussed on Tevinter could give a massive "F You" to all of Tevinter, not to mention the finger multiple times . 

[d1ta]

Maybe you can start at the beginning of the game as:

- an 'agent'/'mercenary' of the inquisition/shadow inquisition that got sent to Tevinter to do whatever thingy it is and Dorian is there as your contact person and helps you to start up and sponsor you. Eventually you get to find out that you were hand picked by the inquisitor (or former) to do his/her dirty work in doing what ever it is going to be in the next game (either finding solas, difussing the qunari threat or heck, maybe tevinter will only be a percusor chapter to an all out war with par vollen. Or whatever)

- A freshly arrived slave at the slave market. You had some problem with the handler, things went ugly, blood got spilled, you almost got taken by the authority then Dorian shows up and offers to buy you instead. He sees potential in your unyielding spirit and sees that you could be useful. If playing as a dwarf, then you get to be the slaver's guard that just stomp out the slave riot.

... just an idea ^^'

Though I'd prefer to enter Tevinter in an ambassadorial / mercenary capacity this time around, and not as someone bound in chains X)

[Knight of Dane]

Meh, anything but "random mercenary/spy" would work for me.

[vertigomez]

Well, we were a farmer turned refugee turned noble in DA2.

In DA4 I propose we play a noble, fallen from grace, fleeing for their lives in the wake of the Tevinter/Qunari war... and at the end of the game we retire to a small farm in the middle of nowhere with three goats and a sheaf of wheat.

[thesuperdarkone2]

None of which means there is an actual rule against dwarven slaves.

Except Wot confirms that it is illegal to enslave dwarves.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Meh, anything but "random mercenary/spy" would work for me.

 

Would be fine if the game actually let you be a spy or mercenary. 

[Heimdall]

Except Wot confirms that it is illegal to enslave dwarves.

Quote?

[vertigomez]

Didn't dwarves have slaves back in ye olden days? Maybe Kal'Shirok still practices slavery since they've been isolated for so long. We could be a foreigner slave dorf?

[Former_Fiend]

Not every elf in Tevinter is a slave. We've seen at least one elven free-woman who was a diehard Tevinter loyalist back in Origins. 

 

There's also some dialogue with Dorian if you play as a qunari that establishes that Tevinters are more conscious of the difference between Qunari and tal-vashoth/vashoth than most of Thedas, and between him and dialogue from Bull we know that tal-vashoth can move relatively freely throughout the Imperium; at least as much as any other citizen.

 

I do imagine both elves and qunari would essentially be the "pick this to experience extreme prejudice" option, but it wouldn't be logistically impossible.

[Ghost Gal]

As other people have pointed out, elves can be slaves or lower class servants (since DG himself said that elves tend to hover low on the social hierarchy), and grey ones can be mercenaries or a prisoner of war made a slave. 

 

Since we've established that dwarves can't be slaves, they can be... lyrium merchants, perhaps? Tevinter is a magocrasy and I think it's been stated that Tevinter is Orzammar's (and Kal-Sharok's) best customer. So there's that. (I hope we can be Kal-Sharok dwarves. That'd be interesting!)

[Illegitimus]

There as never been Qunari character. They are Vashoth. And since we have seen in Inquisition that they bring next to nothing of interest (contrary to the Dalish but just like the city elves) to the story. All in all, if the next game is entirely on the side of Tevinter, then I don't think a Vashoth character would work.

 

There is not the remotest chance that the next game will require "being on the side of Tevinter".  

[Ashagar]

There is not the remotest chance that the next game will require "being on the side of Tevinter".  

 

Though of the two Tevinter is the lesser of evils by far given the Qunari's 1984 levels of oppression and utter crushing of free will, with any questioning and creativity being dealt with with either brainwashing or having their minds literally broken and their treatment of mages that make the worse southern Chantry and Templar abuses look saintly in comparison. I don't think even the Tevinter worse enemies in the south or within would want the Qunari to wind given what would happen in the aftermath.

[Former_Fiend]

Though of the two Tevinter is the lesser of evils by far given the Qunari's 1984 levels of oppression and utter crushing of free will, with any questioning and creativity being dealt with with either brainwashing or having their minds literally broken and their treatment of mages that make the worse southern Chantry and Templar abuses look saintly in comparison. I don't think even the Tevinter worse enemies in the south or within would want the Qunari to wind given what would happen in the aftermath.

 

I'd take the Qun over Tevinter any day. 

 

Proper hygiene, focus on education and learning, guaranteed employment and food, free sex whenever you want it.

 

And you can do whatever you want in  your off time. Want to be a poet, a painter, a rock climber, a musician? You can still do all that. Just isn't your primary profession.

[Ashagar]

The Qun does not permit any deviations or questions. If you are determined to be a baker than you are a baker, if they say you are a poet you are a poet, they say you are to be a solder or a merchant that's the only thing you are allowed to be and every part of that role will determined by the Qun with no creativity or deviation or else you will be mind raped into obeying the Qun ala 1984 or they will simply permanently break your mind if they can't brainwash you.

 

Also love is utterly forbidden punishable by the Qunari thought police and as I noted their treatment of mages make the templars and southern chantry look like saints.

[Former_Fiend]

Which sucks if you're a mage. Or if you don't enjoy doing stuff that you're good at, which I can understand if you have no talents outside of menial labor. Me? Call it arrogance on my part if you'd like, but I think I could get a better placement than that.

 

Also, love isn't forbidden or discouraged. Expressing love through sex is. You can love, and you can have sex, but never the twain shall meet. 

 

Which'll take a little adjusting but I could learn to adapt for a society with something resembling proper health care.

[Asdrubael Vect]

How would an elf/qunari protagonist work in a Tevinter based DA4?

Especially in the case of qunari and the war between Tevinter and Par Vollen?

Elf is son/daughter of elven laetan magister

 

Qunari is son/daughter of a tal-vashot general who was fight with qunari and was supported by Tevinter

 

Dward is is son/daughter of Ambassadoria noble who have a seat in senat

 

And Archon with Senat(Orzammar king give him right to go on surface without become a castless cos this is time of need like with blights) because of the some plot twist give him/her rights to clean the mess

[Ashagar]

Which sucks if you're a mage. Or if you don't enjoy doing stuff that you're good at, which I can understand if you have no talents outside of menial labor. Me? Call it arrogance on my part if you'd like, but I think I could get a better placement than that.

 

Also, love isn't forbidden or discouraged. Expressing love through sex is. You can love, and you can have sex, but never the twain shall meet. 

 

Which'll take a little adjusting but I could learn to adapt for a society with something resembling proper health care.

 

 

Could you also adjust to a society that would punish you with re-education camps for simply altering  a cake recipe because that would be against the qun? That would punish any questioning with being dragged off to the Qunari's version of the ministry of truth. Another thing to keep in mind as Tevinter is a Fantasy Rome counterpart that likely means they likely have running water and plumping complete with roman style bath houses as well as likely a better understanding of medical science than the south. They likely also have wide spread education like the roman empire had as well.

 

I will admit though I would like for once to see a European Fantasy world that had regular bathing. In RL medieval Europe bathhouses were extremely common in Medieval Europe as they bathed to the point that it perhaps became unhealthy but commoners used the bathhouses. The Nobility and the wealthy bathed in their own homes because they couldn't be seen bathing with the lower classes so they instead used wooden tubs with a woolen cloth to avoid splinters.

 

It was only later in the Renaissance that people stopped bathing regularly because one they got the idea into their heads that bathing was bad because what passed for the medical establishment decided that bathing let in bad miasma into the body and two around the time of the Protestant reformation the idea got into people's heads that all one really needed to be clean was clean cloths and that was it.

[Former_Fiend]

Could you also adjust to a society that would punish you with re-education camps for simply altering  a cake recipe because that would be against the qun? That would punish any questioning with being dragged off to the Qunari's version of the ministry of truth. Another thing to keep in mind as Tevinter is a Fantasy Rome counterpart that likely means they likely have running water and plumping complete with roman style bath houses as well as likely a better understanding of medical science than the south. They likely also have wide spread education like the roman empire had as well.

 

I will admit though I would like for once to see a European Fantasy world that had regular bathing. In RL medieval Europe bathhouses were extremely common in Medieval Europe as they bathed to the point that it perhaps became unhealthy but commoners used the bathhouses. The Nobility and the wealthy bathed in their own homes because they couldn't be seen bathing with the lower classes so they instead used wooden tubs with a woolen cloth to avoid splinters.

 

It was only later in the Renaissance that people stopped bathing regularly because one they got the idea into their heads that bathing was bad because what passed for the medical establishment decided that bathing let in bad miasma into the body and two around the time of the Protestant reformation the idea got into people's heads that all one really needed to be clean was clean cloths and that was it.

 

Minor point. Modern Tevinter isn't the Roman Empire. Ancient Tevinter was. Modern Tevinter is more the Byzantine Empire. Which was a step above the rest of the middle ages, but still. Really, Tevinter isn't either aside from a few trappings and it's position. 

 

And yeah, given that I don't imagine I'm going to be making bread for a living, I think I could deal. At least as much as I could deal with living in a society where my upward mobility has a hard limit on it based on the fact that I can't manifest fire with my mind, I'd take the society where my role and advancement were instead measured by my talents and skill, and where I wasn't likely to be forced to sell myself into slavery due to a magister undercutting my prices, only to end up as a blood sacrifice somewhere down the line.

 

Though, realistically speaking if I ended up in Thedas I'd probably make for Rivain and just relax there. But if we're talking strictly the choice between Tevinter and the Qun, yeah, I'm taking the Qun.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

Qunari is son/daughter of a tal-vashot general who was fight with qunari and was supported by Tevinter

 

 

Impossible.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Impossible.

not think so, Seheron have a army of Tal-Vashots who are fight with Qunari

 

not see any reasons why Tevinter will not give some material resources and knoledges-military magisters instructors for vashots and especlially those who have ex-saerabas, why not support those who is in a fight with Qun regime and for who is easy to spy and do damage inside qun terrirories

 

it is support of a opposition

[leaguer of one]

not think so, Seheron have a army of Tal-Vashots who are fight with Qunari

 

 

As mercs.

 

 

not see any reasons why Tevinter will not give some material resources and knoledges-military instructors for vashots and especlially those who have ex-saerabas, why not support those who is in a fight with Qun regime and for who is easy to spy and do damage inside qun terrirorys

The hate for qunari is so strong in tevinter that no magister can protect any.

[vertigomez]

As for a Qunari, I don't see it happening. Dorian himself said that Qunari aren't allowed to just walk through the streets of Tevinter. Even if they are honored guests or Tal-Vashoth, it's not allowed.

Is actually illegal, or is it just incredibly likely they'll be attacked and sold into slavery?

Sorry for the necro, I just really want to know.

[straykat]

It'd work a helluva lot better than this game. All kinds of Qunari and Tal Vashoth in the north. They're common. Not outliers.

 

That's all I really need to know.

 

City elves are just cool anywhere. They would have been better here too.