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[Former_Fiend]

Wait, I thought this was a tongue-in-cheek/sarcastic thread.

 

I have no problem for any past character returning in the future as long as it fits their character and the location. 

Even determinate characters could in theory return as future companions. Bioware have done this before with ME3 (Tali and Garrus).

 

I reread the OP's list and was amused to find 'Kitty' on the list.

 

Here's the big difference with the ME2 to ME3 thing vs Dragon Age.

 

Tali and Garrus were already squad mates. They had been squadmates for two games, and are the only characters to be squadmates throughout the whole trilogy. They are part of Shepard's story, and the Trilogy itself is part of an over arching plot line. 

 

Dragon Age isn't. We do not have a single plot line, we do not have a single PC. Michel and Abelas are not previous squad members, and there is little indication that they could play larger roles later on down the line. Certainly no indication that they're squadmates in waiting.

 

Having them become squadmates in a later game is not the same thing as having Tali and Garrus be squadmates if they survive.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I thought we were arguing that stabbing =/= death?  I mean, Morrigan's eyes weren't fully closed, were they?

[Tielis]

Here's the big difference with the ME2 to ME3 thing vs Dragon Age.

 

Tali and Garrus were already squad mates. They had been squadmates for two games, and are the only characters to be squadmates throughout the whole trilogy. They are part of Shepard's story, and the Trilogy itself is part of an over arching plot line. 

 

Dragon Age isn't. We do not have a single plot line, we do not have a single PC. Michel and Abelas are not previous squad members, and there is little indication that they could play larger roles later on down the line. Certainly no indication that they're squadmates in waiting.

 

Having them become squadmates in a later game is not the same thing as having Tali and Garrus be squadmates if they survive.

 

But only because you say so.  No, I'm not trying to be snippy, I'm just tired of a bunch of people saying with complete certainty that it can't or won't be done.

 

If y'all have a time machine, please, I'd really like to use it.

[Tielis]

I thought we were arguing that stabbing =/= death?  I mean, Morrigan's eyes weren't fully closed, were they?

 

Not in this thread.  This is the thread where stabbing = death.

[AresKeith]

 

Attacking Morrigan not killing her

[Tielis]

Attacking Morrigan not killing her

 

ROFL I simply love when the guys come out!

 

NO NO NO Morrigan can be stabbed but she's not dead!  But Abelas, that guy I hate, so when I stabbed him, he is dead for sure!

[Dabrikishaw]

Wait, I thought this was a tongue-in-cheek/sarcastic thread.

It's a temper tantrum thread.

[BSpud]

Okay, so can someone link to the original thread from whence this butthurt came?

[Dabrikishaw]

Okay, so can someone link to the original thread from whence this butthurt came from?

http://forum.bioware...-in-da-4/page-1

[AresKeith]

ROFL I simply love when the guys come out!

 

NO NO NO Morrigan can be stabbed but she's not dead!  But Abelas, that guy I hate, so when I stabbed him, he is dead for sure!

 

Who said I hate Abelas?

 

But it's pretty obvious he gets killed 

[Former_Fiend]

But only because you say so.  No, I'm not trying to be snippy, I'm just tired of a bunch of people saying with complete certainty that it can't or won't be done.

 

If y'all have a time machine, please, I'd really like to use it.

 

No, it's different because it's different. 

 

Also, at no point did have I said that it "can't" be done, or that it "won't" be done.

 

I'm saying that it shouldn't be done.

 

And as I have said several times, I have no problem with Abelas or Michel or random carta thug number 4 that you can murder knife back in Origins showing up again. I just don't want them in the party.

[BSpud]

http://forum.bioware...-in-da-4/page-1

 

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[Former_Fiend]

ROFL I simply love when the guys come out!

 

NO NO NO Morrigan can be stabbed but she's not dead!  But Abelas, that guy I hate, so when I stabbed him, he is dead for sure!

 

Now, personally, I've never done a playthrough where Abelas dies - I was planning on it for my dwarf rogue play through but I abandoned that about half way through - but I'm given to understand that not only do we, the PC not stab him - Morrigan does - but that it can happen as a result of you agreeing with Abelas that the well shouldn't be used? Am I wrong, here?

[Arshei]

ROFL I simply love when the guys come out!

 

NO NO NO Morrigan can be stabbed but she's not dead!  But Abelas, that guy I hate, so when I stabbed him, he is dead for sure!

 

Min: 2:30

 

Is very different a stab in the stomach than one in the lumbar.

[Tielis]

Now, personally, I've never done a playthrough where Abelas dies - I was planning on it for my dwarf rogue play through but I abandoned that about half way through - but I'm given to understand that not only do we, the PC not stab him - Morrigan does - but that it can happen as a result of you agreeing with Abelas that the well shouldn't be used? Am I wrong, here?

 

It happens when you do not agree to ally with them.  Basically you're saying that you'll do whatever it takes to get the Well, and you don't care what happens to the sentinels.  Abelas does his job protecting the Well, and Morrigan stabs him.

 

My point is that I'm tired of having it both ways.  Morrigan gets stabbed, but she lives.  Abelas gets stabbed, but because some people don't love him as much as Morrigan, he should stay dead.

 

What I would like to see is a way where everyone gets what they want.  Where the choices made in the Keep actually reflect what we get, instead of handwaves or cutting characters out.  I refuse to believe that it is impossible.  They did quite a good job of it in Mass Effect via inserting other characters in empty slots, and I have faith that they can make it work in Dragon Age.

[AresKeith]

It happens when you do not agree to ally with them.  Basically you're saying that you'll do whatever it takes to get the Well, and you don't care what happens to the sentinels.  Abelas does his job protecting the Well, and Morrigan stabs him.

 

My point is that I'm tired of having it both ways.  Morrigan gets stabbed, but she lives.  Abelas gets stabbed, but because some people don't love him as much as Morrigan, he should stay dead.

 

What I would like to see is a way where everyone gets what they want.  Where the choices made in the Keep actually reflect what we get, instead of handwaves or cutting characters out.  I refuse to believe that it is impossible. They did quite a good job of it in Mass Effect via inserting other characters in empty slots, and I have faith that they can make it work in Dragon Age.

 

The difference here is that in Mass Effect outside of Wrex and Wreav it was done with characters in minor roles and people don't have a problem with that in Dragon age either 

[Sable Rhapsody]

What I would like to see is a way where everyone gets what they want.  Where the choices made in the Keep actually reflect what we get, instead of handwaves or cutting characters out.  I refuse to believe that it is impossible.  They did quite a good job of it in Mass Effect via inserting other characters in empty slots, and I have faith that they can make it work in Dragon Age.

 

It's possible that certain things aren't in the Keep yet because they don't want to tip their hands for the next Dragon Age's plot.

[Former_Fiend]

It happens when you do not agree to ally with them.  Basically you're saying that you'll do whatever it takes to get the Well, and you don't care what happens to the sentinels.  Abelas does his job protecting the Well, and Morrigan stabs him.

 

My point is that I'm tired of having it both ways.  Morrigan gets stabbed, but she lives.  Abelas gets stabbed, but because some people don't love him as much as Morrigan, he should stay dead.

 

What I would like to see is a way where everyone gets what they want.  Where the choices made in the Keep actually reflect what we get, instead of handwaves or cutting characters out.  I refuse to believe that it is impossible.  They did quite a good job of it in Mass Effect via inserting other characters in empty slots, and I have faith that they can make it work in Dragon Age.

 

You're being obstinate if you can't see the differences in the scenes to think that one stabbing is equal to another. Morrigan's stabbing is very clearly not meant to be conclusive; it's framed and shot in such away that she can certainly come back from. Abelas's stabbing is meant to be more final. He has last words, his eyes close, he stops breathing, he falls to the ground, not into a magic portal out of sight where he could conceivably escape and recover. And several people stand around his corpse for several minutes talking about how he's dead.

 

And for the I have lost count of how many times, no one is saying that Abelas can never return, ever. They're saying that he should not return as a companion because he isn't a companion, he isn't being set up as a companion - at least not obviously - and they do not want to see a companion slot taken up by someone who could be dead in their playthrough. And we don't want to see resources and disk space wasted by having two different characters exist solely to take up the same slot and fill the same role.

 

No one, as far as I can tell, is hating on the character. We just don't share your obsession with the character.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

In before... no, wait...

 

In during... Andramada?

 

I have no idea what's going on. It's too meta for me.

[AresKeith]

That being said I can totally see Abelas returning and joined Solas and if he's dead another Sentinel Elf (or like how some joked about it being Velanna ) would take his place in a Samson/Calpernia type set-up

[Tielis]

You're being obstinate if you can't see the differences in the scenes to think that one stabbing is equal to another. Morrigan's stabbing is very clearly not meant to be conclusive; it's framed and shot in such away that she can certainly come back from. Abelas's stabbing is meant to be more final. He has last words, his eyes close, he stops breathing, he falls to the ground, not into a magic portal out of sight where he could conceivably escape and recover. And several people stand around his corpse for several minutes talking about how he's dead.

 

And for the I have lost count of how many times, no one is saying that Abelas can never return, ever. They're saying that he should not return as a companion because he isn't a companion, he isn't being set up as a companion - at least not obviously - and they do not want to see a companion slot taken up by someone who could be dead in their playthrough. And we don't want to see resources and disk space wasted by having two different characters exist solely to take up the same slot and fill the same role.

 

No one, as far as I can tell, is hating on the character. We just don't share your obsession with the character.

 

Dude, they're both plot devices, that can be changed at the whim of the writers!

 

This thread is not about Abelas!  This thread is about every single DA character that should be dead.

 

All of them should be dead and stay dead if we kill them.  

 

The story will be diminished because we can never kill someone important ever again.  That it will also be diminished because we can kill an interesting side character is beside the point.

[MrGDL87]

Here's the big difference with the ME2 to ME3 thing vs Dragon Age.

 

Tali and Garrus were already squad mates. They had been squadmates for two games, and are the only characters to be squadmates throughout the whole trilogy. They are part of Shepard's story, and the Trilogy itself is part of an over arching plot line. 

 

Dragon Age isn't. We do not have a single plot line, we do not have a single PC. Michel and Abelas are not previous squad members, and there is little indication that they could play larger roles later on down the line. Certainly no indication that they're squadmates in waiting.

 

Having them become squadmates in a later game is not the same thing as having Tali and Garrus be squadmates if they survive.

 

In hindsight, I suppose my Mass Effect comparison isn't an effective argument.

 

I was just merely using it as an example to illustrate that Bioware could use determinate characters in future games.  
 

[Former_Fiend]

In hindsight, I suppose my Mass Effect comparison isn't an effective argument.

 

I was just merely using it as an example to illustrate that Bioware could use determinate characters in future games.  
 

 

And I have no problem with them doing so. There are simply limits on the roles I want to see those characters in.

[AresKeith]

The story will be diminished because we can never kill someone important ever again.  That it will also be diminished because we can kill an interesting side character is beside the point.

 

If Bioware has no more plans for them then they can either be killed or written off 

[Tielis]

In hindsight, I suppose my Mass Effect comparison isn't an effective argument.

 

I was just merely using it as an example to illustrate that Bioware could use determinate characters in future games.  
 

 

I respectfully disagree, and I believe that they should.

 

Why?  Because, while Dragon Age is supposed to be about Thedas and not any one character, it is the characters themselves that actually make us give a darn.

 

If they continue to cheapen our relationships with every character, why should we care beyond killing mob number million six and stealing its fat loot?